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Old November 6th, 2010, 02:15 AM   #1421
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A very good article on the England bid, giving a different perspective on things:

England 2018 remain highly confident about their chances of winning the right to host the World Cup less than four weeks out from FIFA’s bid D-day.


In the midst of a quiet news week, the England team have had to endure a series of negative headlines in their domestic media amidst fears that a forthcoming BBC Panorama investigation will – as one unnamed but widely quoted source put it – put the “final nail” in the English bid’s coffin.

INSIDER understands that England 2018 CEO Andy Anson met with BBC director general Mark Thompson to discuss his concerns about the programme earlier this week.

But such fears that the programme and last month’s Sunday Times expose of two FIFA executive members have derailed England’s chances are wide of the mark. INSIDER has spoken to sources within the England bid, the BBC and in Zurich about the English media. While concerns do exist, they are considered as attributable to the unpredictable mindsets of certain FIFA Ex-co members than any pre-occupation with muck-raking.

One journalistic colleague described the tone of the reports as reflecting the “typical conceit” that the British press has a monopoly on upsetting FIFA.

Brazilian, German-speaking, Nigerian and Scandinavian journalists have all been thorns in FIFA’s side, even if they have still to come up with a scoop with the implications of last month’s Sunday Times expose.

The domestic naval gazing was exemplified by the BBC’s sports editor effectively using a blog to comment on his own employers. Such actions surely raised eyebrows in BBC headquarters.

There was also a sense that Mohamed Bin Hammam’s widely reported comments from his own blog, that suggested the Sunday Times methods were “unethical”, were taken out of context. Bin Hammam used the same forum to lavish praise on western journalists, who he said were “serving the public justice.”

England bid sources have been alternatively irritated and sanguine about the coverage. One source described the stories as “an inevitable challenge of any long-term campaign or strategy during a quiet week.”

He said that the focus was on Zurich at the end of this month for the final round of presentations and pointed out that England have “always performed exceptionally well at FIFA’s big set pieces” which the team believe forms the most crucial moments of the process.

Imagined crises
This isn’t the first time England 2018 have had a crisis decreed by their own press corps. Almost a year ago to the day I sat in a back room of Doha’s Ritz Carlton while England’s former bid chairman David Triesman was torn apart by a roomful of merciless journalists.

Crimes real and imagined were reeled off by his compatriots: not giving out promotional bags at a football industry conference, arguments over the composition of the bid board, ungracious remarks Jack Warner made while on a visit to London. One journalist decreed “We just don’t like you very much” and probably got to the nub of their opprobrium. A colleague described himself “embarrassed” to be present at this character assassination.

England 2018 quickly turned things around, at least in their public’s eye. They were aided in several key personnel developments. Within days of the Doha briefing the board had been trimmed down, including the departure of one individual deemed “poisonous” by his former colleagues. By strange coincidence the damaging leaks from England’s bid team stopped virtually overnight.

They were helped too by the appointment of the Harvard-educated Simon Greenberg as chief of staff, one of the sharpest minds in the game. By turns dogmatic and charming, he had acquired a reputation among journalists for being a man not to be meddled with in his former role as director of communications at Chelsea. This period coincided with the first days of Roman Abramovich’s ownership of the club and Jose Mourinho’s controversial tenure as manager; keeping the club out of the papers was as much a prerogative as keeping them in. What better grounding for someone about to step into the eye of the storm of the most bitched about bid of the ten contenders?

Sticks and carrots were used to bring the laddish and virulent English press corps onside. Access to the unfortunate Triesman, the most briefed against figure in British sport, was limited overnight. The most malicious journalists were called into line. The sort of set-piece PR disaster witnessed in Doha would no longer be conceivable, but subtle methods were used as well.

The increased focus and discipline coincided with the rise to public prominence of its CEO, Andy Anson. Previously he had been treated like a jealously guarded secret by his media advisers, his few public appearances limited to heavily scripted platitudes about English football’s passion. Unkind comparisons to the hapless former England manager Steve McLaren – to whom he bears a passing physical resemblance – were sometimes made.

But finally let off the leash and allowed to speak for himself, he showed himself in public to be an erudite and skilful operator and that the destiny of England’s bid could be in no better hands than his own. Certainly, few other people in the entire bid process have worked harder or travelled further than Anson.

England 2018 were soon back on track and the renewed momentum carried them through their worst crisis, when bid chairman David Triesman was the victim of a tabloid sting in May, in which he was secretly taped making unfavourable remarks about rival bids. Bid sources have suggested that Triesman wanted to try and stick it out, but that his management team demanded he walk away. Within less than a day of the story breaking Triesman had stepped down, and the storm clouds started to clear.

Today bid sources describe that moment as a key moment in the campaign, not so much for the way that their ruthless treatment of Triesman was quickly vindicated, but for the way in which the whole country united around them. Anger at the Mail on Sunday was virtually universal. “It was proof to us that the whole country was on our side,” says one bid insider.

Inspection Report anticipated
England bid sources insist that the fundamentals of the bid have always been strong and that nothing really has changed. Anson has referred to the palaver this time last year as “noise”. Certainly, once England 2018 had secured its full £15million bid budget by applying a £250,000 levy to its 12 applicant host cities – as they did last December – there was little to carp about bid operations.

t’s important to remember that while all hell was breaking loose in Doha, England 2018’s technical director, Ian Riley, was quietly at work on the bid book. FIFA is expected to deliver its verdict in the next ten days on the technical bids, but after the FIFA visit in August, inspection chairman, Harold Mayne-Nicholls hailed a “perfect” trip to England – breaking with his cautious protocol.

The one fear that England 2018 might justifiably have is that the technical document is re-written for political reasons.

Ten years ago, when England were bidding for the 2006 tournament, they were ranked third, behind rivals Germany and South Africa. Former sports minister Tony Banks described himself "spitting blood" at a "total stitch-up" and the FA described it as a “travesty of justice.”

It compared minor failings in English stadia which were already built with designs for stadia elsewhere that remained on the drawing board, while ranking England’s security guarantees below South Africa. The report – which was delayed then as well – followed positive comments by inspection chairman Alan Rotheburg when he was in England.

A Parliamentary report subsequently concluded:

“The report of the Inspection Group emerged only a few days before the final decision on where the 2006 FIFA World Cup would be held, and was recognized as a less than objective analysis by some members of the FIFA Executive Committee. Nevertheless, the study may have given members of that Committee with doubts about the England bid a respectable cover for switching allegiance.”

At England 2018 headquarters at Wembley Stadium they await the 2018 inspection report eagerly and believe that FIFA will do the right thing. As we approach the final lap of bidding, the bid team will tell you that England’s destiny rests on this verdict and the final presentations in Zurich, not “noise” about the whims of FIFA Ex-co members and their supposed concerns about the British media.

But at the same time they would do well to heed the lessons of the 2006 bid.

“The most important lesson of the England bid for the 2006 World Cup is that extraneous factors and the politics of international sport will always matter as much as if not more than the inherent technical strengths of a bid,” concluded the parliamentary report.

“In consequence, bidding for events of this nature will remain a hazardous business. This is a lesson that should not be lost on other sports and other sporting organizations in this country.”


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I've also heard panorama have already had a chat with FIFA regarding the matters, so really the public would be like woah, but FIFA won't be because they've already seen the evidence a month out from the vote Hopefully it had some good stuff in there to actually takeout a couple of these bids.
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Old November 6th, 2010, 01:21 PM   #1423
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can someone tell me if there is a place to sign up and support the England 2018 bid??

And if you guys are smart, fans of a 2018 bid should make a deal with fans of a 2022 bid, and get everyone to sign up in support of each other's bid! A sudden doubling of supporters would look very impressive for both bids

(I think I'll post the same message on the Australian forum)
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Old November 6th, 2010, 06:10 PM   #1424
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Old November 7th, 2010, 07:13 PM   #1428
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Old November 7th, 2010, 09:40 PM   #1429
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what a fantastically produced video, arguably that format should have been rolled out to all the other non London bid cities.
Yeah it is a good vid. Pity the whole thing has been thrown into jeopardy by 22 nimbys and a very odd decision by an independant inspector to vindicate their appeal/application for town green.

You wouldn't believe how massive a story this has been in Bristol. There is practically a story every day in the media in support of the stadium. The whole city is behind it, apart from a few local residents (and a few Gas!) yet it seems we will lose.

Here's a sample:

http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/news/...l/article.html
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Yeah it is a good vid. Pity the whole thing has been thrown into jeopardy by 22 nimbys and a very odd decision by an independant inspector to vindicate their appeal/application for town green.

You wouldn't believe how massive a story this has been in Bristol. There is practically a story every day in the media in support of the stadium. The whole city is behind it, apart from a few local residents (and a few Gas!) yet it seems we will lose.

Here's a sample:

http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/news/...l/article.html
I can't believe that it might not happen. It's ridiculous that this group of locals want to class it as a town green. They don't need it as a town green, they live on the edge of the city right next to the bloody country side. I will be upset if this project gets canned if England win the 2018 bid. I am off to sign the petition to support the Bristol bid.
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Absolutely they should have rolled out maybe not identical but similar kind of productions, Bristol has done an excellent job with the bidding video. But as stated above the green town thing is utter rubbish.
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I can't believe that it might not happen. It's ridiculous that this group of locals want to class it as a town green. They don't need it as a town green, they live on the edge of the city right next to the bloody country side. I will be upset if this project gets canned if England win the 2018 bid. I am off to sign the petition to support the Bristol bid.
If you actually look at the site its even more unrealistic, this is overgrown wasteland over a former landfill next to an industrial estate, its going to be replaced with a good deal of landscaped parkland around the stadium aswell. As clear a case of nimby's dioshoniestly hyjacking the the law for their own ends as you'll find.

Sadly there have been far too many NIMBY enabling groups and politicans over the past couple of decades in this country.
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If you actually look at the site its even more unrealistic, this is overgrown wasteland over a former landfill next to an industrial estate, its going to be replaced with a good deal of landscaped parkland around the stadium aswell. As clear a case of nimby's dioshoniestly hyjacking the the law for their own ends as you'll find.

Sadly there have been far too many NIMBY enabling groups and politicans over the past couple of decades in this country.
Couldn't agree with you more. I mean if they wanted to have turned it into a town green, they would have applied to do it years ago.

Does anyone know what the odds are for this stadium not going through? And does Bristol City have a plan B for another site in the city?
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It's up to Bristol City Council to make the call now. The decision probably won't be reached till the start of next year so it's going to be after the world cup host vote.
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I just couldn't help but laugh at South Korea's football development plans. England has been doing this for many years now in Asia and many other nations and suddenly just to win some votes South Korea comes in lol. Could only make me chuckle.


"I have first-hand experience of the deep impact and benefits of its thoughtful projects, particularly in Asia," he said in an article entitled 'Building Premier Partnerships' that appeared in the EPL's annual review published this week. "AFC and the Premier League have a strong relationship based on trust, mutual respect and utmost faith in the great good our game can generate.

"There is no denying that the Premier League walks the talk.

"Coaching clinics in India, keynote speakers who share their wealth of knowledge in AFC’s seminars, Asian referee attachments in England, Premier League club tours of our continent. The Premier League has come forward enthusiastically to improve Asia’s learning curve." Bin Hammam adds: "For me, the ‘Future is Asia’ and AFC is the driving force in achieving this dream with the Premier League as sincere and well-meaning partners."

England's bid chiefs are privately delighted at the comments made by Bin Hammam, who could influence the three other Asian votes for the 2018 World Cup which is expected to be awarded to Europe. The other FIFA Ex-co members are Korea's Chung Mong Joon, Worawi Makudi of Thailand and Japan's Junji Ogura.

A key plank of the England 2018 bid is its commitment to investing in football development programs in Asia and internationally. Bin Hammam's thinly disguised backing for England 2018 is perhaps not so surprising given that he allowed the bid team led by international president David Dein to make a presentation to the AFC's executive committee in March.

England was the only one of the nine bidders in the 2018/2022 bid race invited to present to the AFC executive at its headquarters in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.

In that pitch to the AFC, the bid presentation team, which also included bid CEO Andy Anson, director of campaign operations Jane Bateman and ambassador David Ginola, underlined the global potential of an England World Cup and the additional benefits to Asia that would come from the Football Association's international development programme.


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Couldn't agree with you more. I mean if they wanted to have turned it into a town green, they would have applied to do it years ago.

Does anyone know what the odds are for this stadium not going through? And does Bristol City have a plan B for another site in the city?
This explains what will be happening better. The main problem is that although the council are fully behind the stadium, and could in theory overturn the inspectors' decision, this route would inevitably lead to an appeal and would probably take years for any decision, let alone a favourable one. It would have an effect on the whole country probably, and might eventually shake up the Village green laws (which desperately need doing) but it would not be helpful for the club, the City, the or the council and world cup bid so is best avoided.

http://www.bristol247.com/2010/11/07...ore-christmas/

I'd say the odds are 60-40 against.
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England 2018 bid "not even in the running"

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/st...global&cc=5739

England's chances of landing the 2018 World Cup might be far worse than previously imagined with one senior FA figure warning: "It's now between Russia and Spain."

The most pessimistic appraisal from an influential FA figure comes at a time when there have been confessions that the bid has been "harmed" by the English media's investigations into FIFA corruption.

But it hasn't been appreciated just how bad that might be until one senior FA figure confessed: "The word from within the FIFA executive is that England might very well have blown it completely."

Claims of corruption in the 2018 World Cup bidding process by the English press have seriously damaged FIFA's reputation and that, in turn, has impacted badly on England's bid.

"I'm sure there's damage for FIFA and for the World Cup," FIFA executive member Junji Ogura recently told BBC Sport.

England's biggest hope is that opinion within FIFA swings back in their favour before the final vote next month - but at the moment the signs are ominous.

ESPNsoccernet has been told the strength of feeling is running high within FIFA's voting executive. "The word is that it is now between Russia and the joint Spain and Portugal bid," the source said. "England? Not even in the running anymore. At least that is what is now being suggested.

"If you know the way FIFA's mind works then it looks like we haven't got a prayer. Talk about our bid being harmed, well, that is the least that has happened. There has been a huge backlash and the word inside FIFA is that they won't be voting for England.

"Look, it doesn't mean I agree with their view. I don't. I am not saying it is wrong to expose vote-rigging and corruption, but there is a proper way of going about it.

"If the papers have the moral high ground and believe it is their right to investigate, then fine, but why didn't they take their findings to FIFA first, let them act, and then report it? The evidence should have been handed over to FIFA first."

The FA's 2018 bid committee has been lobbying frantically in the last week to try to pull the situation around, and it will be a huge achievement if they can pull off what would now be seen as a shock decision in favour of England's bid.

ESPNsoccernet's FA source has direct contact with those lobbying within FIFA Executive circles, but the bid committee are taking advice from Lord Sebastian Coe, who successfully led England's 2012 Olympic bid, about how to turn it around at the last minute.

The bid team will make their final presentation on December 2 in Zurich, and that is why there is panic within the FA ranks that England may struggle. The 2018 Bid team are third up after Holland/Belgium and Spain/Portugal. The order was confirmed by the drawing of lots.
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If that's the case, what little respect and credibility FIFA may have had is just utterly tarnished.
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