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Old November 9th, 2010, 09:52 PM   #1461
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Rob, who selects the host of the World Cup? - The members of FIFA.

Why do members of FIFA to vote for the country? - Only due to subjective opinion. Subjective opinion is determined by several factors. People's mood is changeable. Today I can like one thing, tomorrow I can dislike it.

Should England must get the World Cup? - This is a subjective position of each fan, which largely depends on his nationality.

If England get a small number of votes, what does this mean? - Nothing, it's just subjective opinion of the members of FIFA. Of course, you will say what England is motherland of football, that Mother England have good infrastructure, stadiums, railrads. But it's don't mean that Mother England should to win without any questions.

I know situation with voting for Winter Olympic Games 2014. It was choice good Austrian ski resort with excellent infrastructure and two unknown cities in South Korea and Russia, which never host any major winter event before. And Salzburg lost in first round.

If England bid will lose in 1st round, there will be never reasons for protest without any serious proofs.
There's no reason for any bid to protest the eventual winner if the winner has done nothing wrong, and there's no reason for a bid protesting losing out, becuase some bids will have to. There are, however, plenty of reasons for making a fuss about how FIFA have gone about their business - the winning bid won't do this (obviously), but the losing bids have every right to.

If, and I hope this situation doesn't arise (becuase it doesn't have to), England 2018 is humiliated and the FA feel with good reason they've been dumped on because of the Times' investigations, then they will not need any serious proof. A very simple solution instead would be for English football to pull out of its committments to football development programmes around the world (£75m a year) until FIFA cleans its act up. When poorer federations start wondering where the money is the execs will have to answer to them, and so the whole house of cards comes tumbling down, with the Press helping out. It's very simple, if FIFA doesn't play this straight English football and the Press in this country has the power to hit them where it hurts.

If they do play it straight, and Russia wins, then that's fine; no problem there. This isn't about England winning or losing, it's about how FIFA operates.
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Old November 9th, 2010, 10:01 PM   #1462
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The main difference between English and Russian fans in the fact that Russians does not consider other bids as "second-class" bids. For this reason England fans are not deserve the World Cup.
Either you've been in England questioning a lot of England fans (which I doubt or you wouldn't have come to that conclusion) or you're another Russian trying to tread on the English without any evidence or foundation (which is more likely) because I live in England, I'm English, I know a lot of England fans and I have spoken to a lot of people about the future world cup and I do not know one single person here in England that thinks the other bids are second class. You really ought to wind your neck in before spouting unfounded allegations - it's what contributes to the rest of the world realising that Russia is corrupt.. or is it just that you consider your own bid to be second class?
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Old November 9th, 2010, 10:22 PM   #1463
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There will absolutely be a reason to moan if any bidy is eliminited in Round 1, especially England's. This bid process is bordering on being a complete farce. I don't need the English media to tell me that.
Absolutely England deserves to host the world cup based on what they have done for the game in the recent past. South Korea is going on about developing football when a vote is on in less than a month and claiming all sorts of rubbish but England's the one who has actually been doing it for the game in their own backyard. This combined with the fact that England is the home of football and England has the stadiums already ready means England should get the nod. As stated in the technical committee analysis, Russia is in serious trouble with being able to complete the required transformations of their stadia in time for the 2018 edition and I doubt FIFA wants a further headache to deal with at this time. Put it simply the fact that the European bid is for 2018 means Russia's greatest enemy is time and that is why I believe no matter what the reports say that England will get the 2018 edition and deservedly so.
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Old November 9th, 2010, 11:37 PM   #1464
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Russia is in serious trouble with being able to complete the required transformations of their stadia in time for the 2018 edition and I doubt FIFA wants a further headache to deal with at this time. Put it simply the fact that the European bid is for 2018 means Russia's greatest enemy is time and that is why I believe no matter what the reports say that England will get the 2018 edition and deservedly so.
Even the total farce of Wembley's rebuild was completed within 7 years of its last game. Having "only 8 years" to get ready isn't remotely an issue. The only question on that front is finance.
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Old November 10th, 2010, 12:00 AM   #1465
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Russia having issues with preparing stadia in time is really far fetched especially in light of the Sochi 2014 progress.
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Old November 10th, 2010, 05:30 AM   #1466
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Even the total farce of Wembley's rebuild was completed within 7 years of its last game. Having "only 8 years" to get ready isn't remotely an issue. The only question on that front is finance.
That's just one solitary stadium, it's pretty funny comparing that to what this bid is all about.
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Old November 10th, 2010, 01:42 PM   #1467
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That's just one solitary stadium, it's pretty funny comparing that to what this bid is all about.
The point is that a stadium rebuild which was a total nightmare and went about as badly as any stadium build can be expected to be, was still completed in a shorter time-frame than the 8 years you are suggesting is too tight to allow Russia to build stadiums.

Even for a major stadium, the absolute tops for construction time is 2-3 years. We are not talking the Three Gorges Dam project here.
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Old November 10th, 2010, 01:49 PM   #1468
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The whole process of desiding two WC's at once reeked of Blatter allowing for a double dip of corruption just to make sure he won what will likely be his final presidential term from the very start to me.
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Old November 10th, 2010, 10:57 PM   #1469
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The whole process of desiding two WC's at once reeked of Blatter allowing for a double dip of corruption just to make sure he won what will likely be his final presidential term from the very start to me.
As I said previously he has the perfect opportunity now to boot out Bin Hammam and his cronies. He should use it
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British Prime Minister David Cameron met the South Korean vice president of Fifa on Thursday as England enters the final stretch of a battle to host the 2018 World Cup.

Cameron held around 30 minutes of talks with Chung Mong-Joon, who is also president of Korea's FA, ahead of the Group of 20 summit of advanced and emerging economies which starts in Seoul on Thursday.

The British PM joked that his priorities were clear ahead of the December 2 vote, saying he had earlier told South Korean President Lee Myung-Bak that "I was spending much more time on the World Cup than on the G20".

England, Russia and joint bids by Spain-Portugal and Netherlands-Belgium are in the running to host the 2018 World Cup.


http://supersport.com/football/engla...y_for_WCup_bid
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Old November 11th, 2010, 08:35 AM   #1472
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...o-win-bid.html


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World Cup 2018: optimistic England must edge past Spain-Portugal to win bid
For all the navel-gazing over the UK media’s role in revealing alleged corruption at Fifa, a service that has antagonised elements within the world governing body and demoted England’s World Cup bid to second favourites at best for the 2018 race, campaign insiders still believe they have a chance of victory.


By Paul Kelso 7:00AM GMT 10 Nov 2010

“Whatever the implications of the last few days there is still a way to victory,” said one source. “We will have to persuade more people, overcome more hurdles and work even harder, but there is a route to win. This is still winnable.”

If that optimistic forecast is to happen England will first have to get past Spain, World Cup winners on the field who remain serious contenders off it.

In an echo of the London 2012 Olympic race, in which London edged past Madrid in the third round of voting before defeating Paris, England will have to get past the joint Spain-Portugal bid one way or another if they are to win on Dec 2. Were England to face Russia in the final round, assuming the excellent Holland-Belgium bid is eliminated first, close observers of the process believe they would have a chance of victory. Goodwill towards Russia’s bid is not universal within Fifa. In a straight fight with Spain-Portugal however, England’s prospects might be less good.

Relying almost exclusively on the persuasive powers of Spanish Football Federation president Angel Maria Villar Llona, an executive committee member for the past 12 years, the Iberian bid were early favourites among seasoned Fifa-watchers.

The emergence of Russia, pushing a grand vision with the personal approval of prime minister Vladimir Putin, and England’s long-overdue cohesion behind an excellent technical bid, eclipsed the Iberian campaign for a while, but in the last two months it has become clear that Spain-Portugal are live contenders.

At the heart of concerns among their opponents is the allegation that the bid has struck a deal with Qatar, hoping to host the 2022 tournament, in contravention of Fifa rules that prevent deals between bids.

Last month Fifa’s ethics commission launched a formal inquiry into the allegations, the results of which are expected next week. Spain-Portugal have denied the allegation, while Qatar has not responded formally to media inquiries.

The collusion is alleged to involve seven executive committee members allied to Villar Llona and his Qatari counterpart, the Asian Football Confederation president Mohamed Bin Hammam.

The Iberian bid is said to have the support of three members in addition to Villar Llona, including natural allies in Latin America Ricardo Teixeira of Brazil and Argentine Julio Grondona. Bin Hammam, meanwhile, is understood to have support from Thailand’s Worawi Makudi and Egyptian ex-co member Hany Abo Rida.

Opponents fear that, as a block of seven votes, they could give both bids a formidable head-start to getting the majority required.

While the ethics commission searches for concrete evidence of rule breaches there are many examples of mutual interest between the Qatar and Iberian bids and their assumed supporters.

Next week Qatar will host a friendly between Argentina and Brazil in Doha, for which both national federations, chaired respectively by Grondona and Teixeira, will receive a large, entirely legitimate fee. Last month, meanwhile, Argentina’s tourism minister said on a visit to Qatar that his government supported the Emirate’s World Cup bid.

The match marks the start of the Aspire sports conference, part of the Aspire sports development project in the Emirate, one of the benefactors of which is new Barcelona president, Sandro Rossell.

Bonus Sports Marketing, an agency founded by Rossell, founded the Aspire Football Dreams academy in Qatar. Barcelona coach Pep Guardiola, meanwhile, is an official ambassador for the Qatar 2022 bid.

None of these examples represents a breach of Fifa rules, but it is enough to have both Spain-Portugal and Qatar’s rivals worried. Until the outcome of the ethics commission inquiry is revealed next week, few are willing to write off either.

Equally important to England’s chances will be the publication of Fifa’s technical report into the bids, also expected next week. After delegation chairman Harold Mayne-Nicholls described their visit to England as “perfect”, the bid must hope that assessment is reflected in the report, and that the Fifa executive ask the voting members to place weight on those findings.

If that happens the path to victory may indeed become a little clearer.
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Boris is coming!

Boris Johnson is to play a starring role as England's bid to stage the 2018 World Cup reaches its climax next month.

The Mayor has agreed to attend the vote at Fifa's headquarters in Zurich at the request of bid leaders, who want to make the most of his international appeal.

He will attend with two City Hall aides and remain for the vote, sharing media duties with other ambassadors such as David Beckham, Rio Ferdinand and Steven Gerrard. A bid win could enhance his chances in the 2012 mayoral elections and would trigger a big economic boost to the capital, which would have up to three World Cup stadiums.






How can we possibly lose this bid now?!
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Old November 16th, 2010, 10:13 PM   #1475
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How can we possibly lose this bid now?!
Now all our hopes on Mr. Putin. Undoubtely, he is more charismatic leader than all British politicians put together.
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Old November 16th, 2010, 10:32 PM   #1476
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Boris is coming!

Boris Johnson is to play a starring role as England's bid to stage the 2018 World Cup reaches its climax next month.

The Mayor has agreed to attend the vote at Fifa's headquarters in Zurich at the request of bid leaders, who want to make the most of his international appeal.

He will attend with two City Hall aides and remain for the vote, sharing media duties with other ambassadors such as David Beckham, Rio Ferdinand and Steven Gerrard. A bid win could enhance his chances in the 2012 mayoral elections and would trigger a big economic boost to the capital, which would have up to three World Cup stadiums.






How can we possibly lose this bid now?!
Yay...it's him...again...


And we thought that the Sunday Times hindered our bid
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Old November 17th, 2010, 01:56 AM   #1477
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Had an extremely vivid dream last night, of the vote on dec 2nd, and Russia won. There was a tangible deflation of the whole country when those words came out.
Horrible, but probably accurate.
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Had an extremely vivid dream last night, of the vote on dec 2nd, and Russia won. There was a tangible deflation of the whole country when those words came out.
Horrible, but probably accurate.
I think today's reports have been vindication that considerable doubts remain on Russia's ability to complete the amount of stadiums that they have to renovate and FIFA have had to deal with headaches in relation to that with South Africa, they are going through a phase of it with Brazil and I cannot see 3 in a row where FIFA go oh you know what lets go to another country that's probably going to make it hard for us. I honestly think Russia would have won it, if it was 2022, but for 2018 England is in the prime seat and the latest addition to the final bid promotion ain't bad either.

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I think there is still hope she'll be there for additional effect upon the executive committee
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