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Old May 30th, 2010, 06:44 PM   #2021
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I think you could also argue that a World Cup in Australia would be good for Asian markets (which, like the US, are massive). Even better would be having a World Cup in China - which is probably going to happen in 2026 if the USA win 2022.
A World Cup in an Asian country (not Australia) is good for the Asian market. FIFA wants to go to China, the new power, so Australia will be bypassed in favor of the US & then go to China. Australia is tiny and unimportant in comparison to the rest of the world.
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Old May 31st, 2010, 03:10 AM   #2022
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Has Chicago been added back onto the list of cities or is that just being anticipated? Last time I remember Chicago wasn't being included on the bid. I think it had to do with not being able to fit a World Cup sized field while leaving enough seats in.
No, and unfortunately I dont think that they ever will be included.
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Old May 31st, 2010, 07:53 AM   #2023
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A World Cup in an Asian country (not Australia)
Australia soccer is a Asia region
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_F..._Confederation
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Old May 31st, 2010, 08:51 AM   #2024
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No, and unfortunately I dont think that they ever will be included.
Well, as an Indianapolis native, I love that! We are known for holding huge events, and I think we could pull off an awesome World Cup! Lucas Oil Stadium is a beautiful stadium.
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Old May 31st, 2010, 11:27 AM   #2025
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Australia unimportant??? When you need us to go to unnecessary wars with you, you think we're important.

The Australian bid may not have the stadium capacity of the US bid, but when you look at the respective bid documents and presentations, the US bid looks decidedly amateur compared with Australia's.

The Australian bid has several key edges over the US bid:

1. Time Zone - Night Games in Australia are in Prime Time for huge Asian television markets (China, Japan, Korea) and will take place during European day time while Night Games in the US will take place in the early hours of the morning in Europe.
2. Security - Australia is a safer option than the US. It's a fact.
3. Fans - While European immigration to Australia has led to generations of Aussie soccer fans, the same European immigration to America has not resulted in that legacy - it is believed that 5 times as many Australians will attend World Cup games in South Africa than Americans, yet we have less than 10% of the US population.
4. International Reputation - Australia is popular in the international community, while the US has a long way to go to make up for the mess Dubya left.
5. Organisational Ability - Sydney 2000 was at the time the BEST Olympic Games ever while Atlanta 1996 was widely regarded as a toilet. USA 1994 may have had the highest attendance but the international media regarded it as poorly organised and disjointed.
6. We've never hosted and US has.

The moral of this story? Whatever you do, NEVER underestimate Australia. We may be small, but we regularly punch above our weight on the international stage.
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Old May 31st, 2010, 11:44 AM   #2026
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1. Time Zone - Night Games in Australia are in Prime Time for huge Asian television markets (China, Japan, Korea) and will take place during European day time while Night Games in the US will take place in the early hours of the morning in Europe.
Yes, but afternoon games in Australia would be the worst possible for Europe (3-5 AM), while afternoon games in the US (Eastern & central time) mean prime-time/evening for us (9-11 PM) !
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Old May 31st, 2010, 12:53 PM   #2027
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World cup 2018 will go to europe. you should concentrate your efforts for 2022.
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Old May 31st, 2010, 02:54 PM   #2028
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Australia unimportant??? When you need us to go to unnecessary wars with you, you think we're important.

The Australian bid may not have the stadium capacity of the US bid, but when you look at the respective bid documents and presentations, the US bid looks decidedly amateur compared with Australia's.

The Australian bid has several key edges over the US bid:

1. Time Zone - Night Games in Australia are in Prime Time for huge Asian television markets (China, Japan, Korea) and will take place during European day time while Night Games in the US will take place in the early hours of the morning in Europe.
2. Security - Australia is a safer option than the US. It's a fact.
3. Fans - While European immigration to Australia has led to generations of Aussie soccer fans, the same European immigration to America has not resulted in that legacy - it is believed that 5 times as many Australians will attend World Cup games in South Africa than Americans, yet we have less than 10% of the US population.
4. International Reputation - Australia is popular in the international community, while the US has a long way to go to make up for the mess Dubya left.
5. Organisational Ability - Sydney 2000 was at the time the BEST Olympic Games ever while Atlanta 1996 was widely regarded as a toilet. USA 1994 may have had the highest attendance but the international media regarded it as poorly organised and disjointed.
6. We've never hosted and US has.

The moral of this story? Whatever you do, NEVER underestimate Australia. We may be small, but we regularly punch above our weight on the international stage.
I love Australia but keep the liberal BS out of your argument please.
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Old May 31st, 2010, 04:41 PM   #2029
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A World Cup in an Asian country (not Australia) is good for the Asian market. FIFA wants to go to China, the new power, so Australia will be bypassed in favor of the US & then go to China. Australia is tiny and unimportant in comparison to the rest of the world.
Houston, we have a problem, a geography and economics problem.

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Old June 1st, 2010, 02:43 AM   #2030
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Australia unimportant??? When you need us to go to unnecessary wars with you, you think we're important.

The Australian bid may not have the stadium capacity of the US bid, but when you look at the respective bid documents and presentations, the US bid looks decidedly amateur compared with Australia's.

The Australian bid has several key edges over the US bid:

1. Time Zone - Night Games in Australia are in Prime Time for huge Asian television markets (China, Japan, Korea) and will take place during European day time while Night Games in the US will take place in the early hours of the morning in Europe. Games dont have to be at night.
2. Security - Australia is a safer option than the US. It's a fact.Back it up. Thats not a fact without the facts, which are going to be up for debate anyway since they can be skewed to fit any argument.
3. Fans - While European immigration to Australia has led to generations of Aussie soccer fans, the same European immigration to America has not resulted in that legacy - it is believed that 5 times as many Australians will attend World Cup games in South Africa than Americans, yet we have less than 10% of the US population.The US is far and away the leader in World Cup ticket sales, far more than Australia.
4. International Reputation - Australia is popular in the international community, while the US has a long way to go to make up for the mess Dubya left. Not really relevant in this sense. These games are a long time from now.
5. Organisational Ability - Sydney 2000 was at the time the BEST Olympic Games ever while Atlanta 1996 was widely regarded as a toilet. USA 1994 may have had the highest attendance but the international media regarded it as poorly organised and disjointed.Fail. The World Cup is not the Olympics, so that is a poor comparison. Also, the US has hosted many popular and successful international events in the past, so using the Atlanta Olympics isnt going to work.
6. We've never hosted and US has. Finally, a relevant point.

The moral of this story? Whatever you do, NEVER underestimate Australia. We may be small, but we regularly punch above our weight on the international stage.
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Old June 1st, 2010, 03:36 AM   #2031
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3. Fans - While European immigration to Australia has led to generations of Aussie soccer fans, the same European immigration to America has not resulted in that legacy - it is believed that 5 times as many Australians will attend World Cup games in South Africa than Americans, yet we have less than 10% of the US population.
Wrong.

130,000 tickets sold to American fans, easily #1.

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/374062...sports-soccer/
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Old June 1st, 2010, 03:42 AM   #2032
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Australia unimportant??? When you need us to go to unnecessary wars with you, you think we're important.

The Australian bid may not have the stadium capacity of the US bid, but when you look at the respective bid documents and presentations, the US bid looks decidedly amateur compared with Australia's.

The Australian bid has several key edges over the US bid:

1. Time Zone - Night Games in Australia are in Prime Time for huge Asian television markets (China, Japan, Korea) and will take place during European day time while Night Games in the US will take place in the early hours of the morning in Europe.
2. Security - Australia is a safer option than the US. It's a fact.
3. Fans - While European immigration to Australia has led to generations of Aussie soccer fans, the same European immigration to America has not resulted in that legacy - it is believed that 5 times as many Australians will attend World Cup games in South Africa than Americans, yet we have less than 10% of the US population.
4. International Reputation - Australia is popular in the international community, while the US has a long way to go to make up for the mess Dubya left.
5. Organisational Ability - Sydney 2000 was at the time the BEST Olympic Games ever while Atlanta 1996 was widely regarded as a toilet. USA 1994 may have had the highest attendance but the international media regarded it as poorly organised and disjointed.
6. We've never hosted and US has.

The moral of this story? Whatever you do, NEVER underestimate Australia. We may be small, but we regularly punch above our weight on the international stage.
I don't think anyone is necessarily underestimating Australia. I am an American and I think Australia deserves to host the 2022 cup over the USA. The last country that has been mentioned that I feel deserves it is China.
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Old June 1st, 2010, 04:14 AM   #2033
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And China is the reason why Australia won't get it.

The USA will get either 2022 or 2026 no doubt about it.

The question is whether FIFA prefers Australia 2022 or China 2026.

Hint: One country has 20 million people, the other has 1.3 billion.
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Old June 1st, 2010, 04:32 AM   #2034
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And China is the reason why Australia won't get it.

The USA will get either 2022 or 2026 no doubt about it.

The question is whether FIFA prefers Australia 2022 or China 2026.

Hint: One country has 20 million people, the other has 1.3 billion.
That is a mute point.
It didn't stop the IOC choosing Sydney over Beijing in 2000.
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Old June 1st, 2010, 04:38 AM   #2035
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And China is the reason why Australia won't get it.

The USA will get either 2022 or 2026 no doubt about it.
Since the end of the rotation policy (and the probable softening of the current rule, from 2022: thanks to the powerful UEFA), I think Europe will again get 1 WC out of 2 !!

So: 2022: USA or Australia (or even Qatar )

2026: Europe

2030: China or USA or Australia or Argentina or Mexico (or even Qatar )
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Old June 1st, 2010, 04:39 AM   #2036
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That is a mute point.
It didn't stop the IOC choosing Sydney over Beijing in 2000.
What does FIFA have to do with the IOC???

Anyway we have Jack Warner on our corner, he'll come through after years of everyone turning the other way. He better!

& why so many Bogans in this thread...
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Old June 1st, 2010, 04:43 AM   #2037
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What does FIFA have to do with the IOC???
Absolutely nothing. But population won't come into it.
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Old June 1st, 2010, 07:25 AM   #2038
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Population shouldn't matter for Australia in the same way as Qatar. Yes Australia is small but it still has enough people. So one could say its over a population threshold and population arguments are a mute point.

There is little relevance with the IOC other than the comparison with an equally illustrious event being won by Sydney rather than Beijing one could believe Sydney had a superior bid and the market size didn't matter so much especially when the time zones of Australia and China are shared.

As for time zones, both the Americas and Australia can set the fixtures to satisfy the European market. The main problem is providing times for Asian (if the USA hosts) and the America's if Australia host. Though 6pm game in LA or San Fran. would be shown mid morning to lunchtime the next day in Australia, Indonesia, China, Japan etc. Alternatively a 7pm game in Perth (same timezone as China) would be shown at 8am in Buenos Aires, Sao Paulo and Rio. Or a 12 noon game in Perth would be shown at primetime 8pm the previous day in LA, San Fran.

Lastly as an Australian I feel a little uncomfortable with people making social and political assumptions about the USA as for some reason to prove that Australia is more worthy. Both nations would have put in fantastic bids and can host a brilliant WC.
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Old June 1st, 2010, 09:35 AM   #2039
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Since the end of the rotation policy (and the probable softening of the current rule, from 2022: thanks to the powerful UEFA), I think Europe will again get 1 WC out of 2 !!

So: 2022: USA or Australia (or even Qatar )

2026: Europe

2030: China or USA or Australia or Argentina or Mexico (or even Qatar )
Currently Europe can only get 1 out of 3 WCs so until that changes IMO USA will get either 2022 or 2026.
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Population shouldn't matter for Australia in the same way as Qatar. Yes Australia is small but it still has enough people. So one could say its over a population threshold and population arguments are a mute point.
As for population, it matters a lot to FIFA.

You can grow the sport in a country of 20 million or in a country of 1.3 billion.

Which one is going to bring in more money?
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