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Old June 1st, 2010, 09:52 AM   #2041
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As for population, it matters a lot to FIFA.

You can grow the sport in a country of 20 million or in a country of 1.3 billion.

Which one is going to bring in more money?

China isn't bidding.
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Old June 1st, 2010, 10:10 AM   #2042
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China isn't bidding.
But giving Australia 2022 means they can't bid until 2034, which is a long time for FIFA to stay away from all that money.
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Old June 1st, 2010, 04:29 PM   #2043
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Wrong.

130,000 tickets sold to American fans, easily #1.

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/374062...sports-soccer/
He missed the "per capita". Per capita almost 5 times as many Australians are making the trip to South Africa compared to people from the states....this just illustrates that football is quite popular in Australia and this would help us put on a good show outside the stadiums as well. The country wide enthusiasm would be very high. Not that I'm suggesting this is any guarantee we will get it....just that it would be a good world cup.
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Old June 1st, 2010, 06:50 PM   #2044
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Honestly I'm all for Australia getting the bid, just another country for me to possibly visit. But some of your points are totally untrue.

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The Australian bid has several key edges over the US bid:

1. Time Zone - Night Games in Australia are in Prime Time for huge Asian television markets (China, Japan, Korea) and will take place during European day time while Night Games in the US will take place in the early hours of the morning in Europe.
2. Security - Australia is a safer option than the US. It's a fact.
3. Fans - While European immigration to Australia has led to generations of Aussie soccer fans, the same European immigration to America has not resulted in that legacy - it is believed that 5 times as many Australians will attend World Cup games in South Africa than Americans, yet we have less than 10% of the US population.
4. International Reputation - Australia is popular in the international community, while the US has a long way to go to make up for the mess Dubya left.
5. Organisational Ability - Sydney 2000 was at the time the BEST Olympic Games ever while Atlanta 1996 was widely regarded as a toilet. USA 1994 may have had the highest attendance but the international media regarded it as poorly organised and disjointed.
6. We've never hosted and US has.
1. Agreed.
2. Disagree. Show me proof that Australia is safer than the US.
3. Completely untrue. US leads foreign WC ticket sales in SA.
4. True to a point, although that's changing drastically with Obama.
5. If Atlanta was such a dud, why did IOC hand the 2002 Winter games to Salt Lake?
6. Agreed.
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Old June 1st, 2010, 07:52 PM   #2045
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2. Disagree. Show me proof that Australia is safer than the US.
Global Peace Index
Aus rank 19
USA rank 83
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Peace_Index

homicide rate
USA 5.4
Aus 1.2
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._homicide_rate
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Old June 1st, 2010, 08:00 PM   #2046
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He missed the "per capita". Per capita almost 5 times as many Australians are making the trip to South Africa compared to people from the states....this just illustrates that football is quite popular in Australia and this would help us put on a good show outside the stadiums as well. The country wide enthusiasm would be very high. Not that I'm suggesting this is any guarantee we will get it....just that it would be a good world cup.
If Americans went in five time the numbers those additional Americans would be shut out of American games. How many Australians are going to any games that Australia aren't playing in?
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Old June 1st, 2010, 08:13 PM   #2047
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5. If Atlanta was such a dud, why did IOC hand the 2002 Winter games to Salt Lake?
Bribery. Don't you remember?

http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/ja...olym-j13.shtml
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Old June 1st, 2010, 08:16 PM   #2048
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And China is the reason why Australia won't get it.

The USA will get either 2022 or 2026 no doubt about it.

The question is whether FIFA prefers Australia 2022 or China 2026.

Hint: One country has 20 million people, the other has 1.3 billion.

Population is a useless fact here.

Oceania has never hosted the cup. Asia hosted in 2002.

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Old June 1st, 2010, 08:18 PM   #2049
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That and poor venues, poor transportation and large corporate support. Atlanta hosted a poor games. Hopefully the next U.S. city will do better.
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Old June 2nd, 2010, 03:34 AM   #2050
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That and poor venues, poor transportation and large corporate support. Atlanta hosted a poor games. Hopefully the next U.S. city will do better.
Atlanta might've been one of the smallest cities to host the Summer Olympics in recent memory. They couldn't afford to build the opulent palaces like Beijing did, nor is the infrastructure as extensive as a world-class city like NYC or London (though, for a U.S. city its size, it isn't bad).

The next U.S. city WILL do better, because it likely won't be as small as ATL.
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Old June 2nd, 2010, 04:13 AM   #2051
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That and poor venues, poor transportation and large corporate support. Atlanta hosted a poor games. Hopefully the next U.S. city will do better.
WTF? None of that is true. Public transportation (light rail and buses) was more than adequate (the expansive US interstate system made even the "far-flung" soccer games easily and quickly accessible). The venues were world-class (I'm sorry Atlanta didn't make a useless athletics-only stadium to rot as an Olympic Legacy) and, save two (tennis and shooting range), all get regular usage to this day. Finally, what's wrong with corporate support? Why put your city in a WORSE position post-Olympics than pre-Olympics? L.A. did the same corporate sponsorship for their 2nd Olympics and no one is complaining about that.

And, most of all, what does ATLANTA's Olympics 14 years ago have to do with the NATION's WC bid 12 years from now?
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Old June 2nd, 2010, 04:59 AM   #2052
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I agree with just about everything you said.
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Old June 2nd, 2010, 09:04 AM   #2053
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Population is a useless fact here.

Oceania has never hosted the cup. Asia hosted in 2002.
In FIFA's eyes Australia is part of Asia now.

Population matters of course, expand the game in a country of 1.3 billion will make a lot of money for FIFA's coffers.
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Old June 2nd, 2010, 04:46 PM   #2054
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Again with the Atlanta bashing.

I get it: Detractors cite that Atlanta lacks the urban core and, more importantly,volume of established tourist attractions to be recalled as visually appealing and memorable. That means they simply were looking for the wrong thing, or are wholly uneducated. We're sorry we don't have an ocean view, or majestic peaks, or 3,000 year old cultural monuments to hawk, but try viewing it through the lens of a modest metropolitan area making the best of itself.

Atlanta's Olympic games may have lacked the opulence of Beijing or Barcelona, but that's because they were not a national games but rather 99% funded via State (Georgia) and local (Atalanta + others) government funding and corporate sponsorship. So while Athens and Beijing spent (approx) $7.5B and $15B or more, Atlanta mustered a mere $1.8B for their event. This meant it was the second games to turn an actual immediate profit, yet still produced the urban renovations desired from such heady investment and as others have said nary any of the venues remains unused. We're truly better off for hosting the games, even for where the event revealed metro Atlanta's shortcomings as those are now focal points of new investment. (Witness the emphasis on cultural destinations and tourist amenities like the Georgia Aquarium.) So while the games didn't yield the signature architecture of, say, Sydney, the games were a success from an administrative standpoint and by most accounts from the actual events themselves.

No one locally is going to go off and say Atlanta's games were the best ever, nor do we expect anyone to confuse our fair area with such exotic places as Athens or Beijing, but just as with the athletes themselves Atlanta aspired for something better and gave it her best effort. Perhaps reality fell short of the dream, but at least they took the chance.

Most important of all, don't confuse the lack of architectural monuments as meaning they were a poor games, as the two are but marginally related. I'd rather have the disjointed Atlanta Olympic venue remade into a great baseball stadium that's poised for heavy use for years to come than have the over-the-top Bird's Nest that needs more use and is already facing repair. And don't even get me started on Greek budgeting.

Atlanta's games were not sexy, but they sure as hell weren't "poor."

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Old June 2nd, 2010, 05:52 PM   #2055
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Global Peace Index
Aus rank 19
USA rank 83
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Peace_Index

homicide rate
USA 5.4
Aus 1.2
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._homicide_rate
Fair enough.
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Old June 3rd, 2010, 05:28 AM   #2056
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If Americans went in five time the numbers those additional Americans would be shut out of American games. How many Australians are going to any games that Australia aren't playing in?
All the people I know who are going are going to other matches. You'd be crazy to go all the way to the world cup just to see Australia or USA play

Fair point though that not getting a ticket to any USA match might stop someone going. Are all USA matches sold out? I don't believe that that is the main reason for the massive difference in attendance though....Australians are just mad travelers and a lot of them like football and world events so the combination of all these things draws aussies like flies
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Old June 4th, 2010, 05:56 AM   #2057
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Australia's immigrant population follow their homeland teams like you wouldn't believe.

When Greece won Euro 2004, the streets of Sydney and Melbourne were gridlocked by Greek Australians celebrating.

When Italy won World Cup 2006, the streets of Sydney and Melbourne were gridlocked by Italian Australians celebrating.

When Spain won Euro 2008, the streets of Sydney and Melbourne were gridlocked by Spanish Australians celebrating.

You just would never see that on the streets of New York, Chicago or Los Angeles (all cities with massive First, Second, and third generational immigrant populations).

So, yes, Australians will be going to other games.
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Old June 4th, 2010, 06:55 AM   #2058
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You just would never see that on the streets of New York, Chicago or Los Angeles (all cities with massive First, Second, and third generational immigrant populations).
Don't be so sure.
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Old June 4th, 2010, 07:03 AM   #2059
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1. Time Zone - Night Games in Australia are in Prime Time for huge Asian television markets (China, Japan, Korea) and will take place during European day time while Night Games in the US will take place in the early hours of the morning in Europe.
Timezone is not an issue for the U.S. They would probably schedule day-time games like in 1986 and 1994, and like will probably happen in 2014, so that the games would be broadcast in European primetime.

I just hope they don't schedule games in Miami at noon again.
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Old June 4th, 2010, 08:59 AM   #2060
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^ Midday games in Australia will be broadcast around 8pm prime time the previous day in the Americas.
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