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Old June 18th, 2010, 01:16 AM   #2181
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But what is said is true, give me just an example in why the US should not get it, beside that the USA gosted the WC in 94..
I wouldn't look at it like that

Your bid is strong enough that if you lose, it will not be because of why you should not get it, but the superior reason as to why the other bid should
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Old June 18th, 2010, 01:52 AM   #2182
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Doesn't seem like many people in the states know about/use Amtrak, but I have a feeling that if we get the World Cup, it will be a terrific option for getting from city to city without flying, and possibly less costly especially if the host cities are split into regional pods. Not really conducive to most Americans' travel needs (usually we only have one destination, so we fly), but for those who are just going to be city-hopping and either are used to traveling by train or just don't like the hassle of flying, Amtrak is perfect. And we have actually have a pretty extensive network if you've ever tried it.

But honestly, renting a car in this country is so easy and inexpensive, it's a really good option that offers more flexibility.


Big beleiver in Amtrak, however the booking rates here in the northeast corridor are pretty expensive. It's amazing that the SuperPwer USA has no REAL high speed inter-city rail system...... Acella is nothing more than a business class flight on rails....
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Old June 18th, 2010, 01:55 AM   #2183
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That's an pretty arrogant and US-centric point of view to be honest.

The US obviously has the technical capability to host a bigger tournament than most. That doesn't mean they should be automatic favourites every time they decide they fancy the tournament, especially if there are other very good bids competing against them.

There are plenty of other explanations other than "politics" as to why FIFA might choose a bid other than the United States'.
Physically he's right. The USA could host any of these events at the same time and not blink an eye in terms of infrastructure..... That's not being US-centric...... it's just fact. Now that's not to say the US deserves to hold every event....... but physically it can......
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Old June 18th, 2010, 03:18 AM   #2184
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That's an pretty arrogant and US-centric point of view to be honest.

The US obviously has the technical capability to host a bigger tournament than most. That doesn't mean they should be automatic favourites every time they decide they fancy the tournament, especially if there are other very good bids competing against them.

There are plenty of other explanations other than "politics" as to why FIFA might choose a bid other than the United States'.
I'm not suggesting that the US should automatically get anything. All I'm saying is that logistically, we are capable of hosting EVERY major event simultaneously. There is no technical basis for denying the US a major sports event but there are political reasons why that has happened. So what are the "explanations other than politics" as to why FIFA would deny a US bid?
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Old June 18th, 2010, 11:33 AM   #2185
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But what is said is true, give me just an example in why the US should not get it, beside that the USA gosted the WC in 94..
FIFA might prefer Australia. You're looking at it the wrong way around. By picking Australia, for example, FIFA aren't "denying" the US; they're choosing a host.
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Old June 18th, 2010, 11:45 AM   #2186
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So what are the "explanations other than politics" as to why FIFA would deny a US bid?
Aussie girls are hotter

And don't deny that is a factor for FIFA, who hasn't received the mandatory "girls of the World Cup" powerpoint yet
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Old June 18th, 2010, 07:08 PM   #2187
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Aussie girls are hotter
Per capita, perhaps.

But we got the quantity to make up for it!
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Old June 18th, 2010, 07:40 PM   #2188
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Per capita, perhaps.

But we got the quantity to make up for it!
And by that we mean Q-U-A-N-T-I-T-Y.
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Old June 18th, 2010, 08:12 PM   #2189
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FIFA owes us now!!!
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Old June 18th, 2010, 10:21 PM   #2190
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FIFA owes us now!!!
Haha, I reckon Ozzies could say the same, given how harshly their best player was sent off in their first game against Germany. Has Qatar been slighted at all in this world cup.....oh wait....
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Old June 19th, 2010, 12:44 AM   #2191
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There is no technical basis for denying the US a major sports event but there are political reasons why that has happened. So what are the "explanations other than politics" as to why FIFA would deny a US bid?
There is and there will be no football ground in the USA with more than 30'000 seats. All you have are gridiron arenas of which only you think they were suitable. No proper football pitch fits in there without restricted views from the stand. Stand which aren't covered and look atrocious by the way.

Venues are too far apart. The USA spreads over unfavourable time zones which would lead to kick-offs at noon in June. Not the right time to play football. And there is only one mode of transport to chose from. Not to mention the lack of passion for the game.

Hosting the World Cup in the USA any time soon just doesn't feels right.
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Old June 19th, 2010, 12:56 AM   #2192
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And there is only one mode of transport to chose from. .
Really? Seriously? Because every city has an airport, every city has a bus network, every city has taxi's, and every city has cars to rent, nearly every city has an amtrack station, and some cities have either a subway or light rail network.
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Old June 19th, 2010, 01:52 AM   #2193
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There is and there will be no football ground in the USA with more than 30'000 seats. All you have are gridiron arenas of which only you think they were suitable. No proper football pitch fits in there without restricted views from the stand. Stand which aren't covered and look atrocious by the way.

Venues are too far apart. The USA spreads over unfavourable time zones which would lead to kick-offs at noon in June. Not the right time to play football. And there is only one mode of transport to chose from. Not to mention the lack of passion for the game.

Hosting the World Cup in the USA any time soon just doesn't feels right.
Damn, its the whining about no roofs on the stands again. FYI modern stadiums in the US are built to FIFA specifications with hosting FIFA events in mind, even if they are for the "gridiron." Lack of passion is out, 1994 World Cup has the record for highest attendance (it was in the US in case you didn't know, in rather sub par stadiums by today's standards at that). I'll give you the time zone issue, but to somewhere in the world, anywhere can have unfavorable time zones.
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Old June 19th, 2010, 02:43 AM   #2194
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Damn, its the whining about no roofs on the stands again. FYI modern stadiums in the US are built to FIFA specifications with hosting FIFA events in mind, even if they are for the "gridiron."
I have yet to see a pitch in standard width of 68 m in one of those stadia . Let alone FIFA's requirement of 'auxiliary room'. Neither do NFL stadia have central player tunnels as the FIFA demands.

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Lack of passion is out, 1994 World Cup has the record for highest attendance (it was in the US in case you didn't know, in rather sub par stadiums by today's standards at that). I'll give you the time zone issue, but to somewhere in the world, anywhere can have unfavorable time zones.
Just 13m Americans could be arsed to watch their team playing in South Africa. Hardly a figure that indicates a nationwide passion for the game.
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"Just" 13 million.

Which is more that the entire populations of many nations participating.

And you wonder why FIFA would love to grow the sport in the US
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Old June 19th, 2010, 03:44 AM   #2196
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I have yet to see a pitch in standard width of 68 m in one of those stadia . Let alone FIFA's requirement of 'auxiliary room'. Neither do NFL stadia have central player tunnels as the FIFA demands.
That's why stadiums are made with movable stands. Like Lucas Oil Stadium.

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And about every other stadium that's bidding either has that or they will just take out a few rows on the sides. It's not a problem at all.
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Old June 19th, 2010, 04:10 AM   #2197
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Neither do NFL stadia have central player tunnels as the FIFA demands.
Where are you getting this 'demand'? I don't see why it matters where they walk out from.

Also, time zones would be an issue in Australia as well. But this is moot point, because time zones have never been an issue, and haven't stopped Russia from being a front runner.

Fact is, USA are favorites whether you like it or not.

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Old June 19th, 2010, 04:13 AM   #2198
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"Just" 13 million.

Which is more that the entire populations of many nations participating.

And you wonder why FIFA would love to grow the sport in the US
I think he's referring to it as a proportion of population

13 million gives you around a 4% viewing audience, which I actually think is not too bad when you consider these figures don't include public audiences (i.e. pubs, bars, FIFA Fanzones, etc)

we had 1.1m, which is around 5% (but we were viewing at 4:30am)
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I have yet to see a pitch in standard width of 68 m in one of those stadia . Let alone FIFA's requirement of 'auxiliary room'. Neither do NFL stadia have central player tunnels as the FIFA demands.
It's just a hunch of mine, but I'd think that if we've made it this far in the process FIFA must not have any issues with our facilities.
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I think he's referring to it as a proportion of population

13 million gives you around a 4% viewing audience, which I actually think is not too bad when you consider these figures don't include public audiences (i.e. pubs, bars, FIFA Fanzones, etc)

we had 1.1m, which is around 5% (but we were viewing at 4:30am)
I'm aware of that.

If I'm FIFA I look at that huge opportunity to grow the game here.

A change of just 2% is an increase of 6 million people! That's a lot of money!
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