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Old June 23rd, 2010, 02:37 AM   #2301
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Flierfy, when trying to support your argument with evidence, did you go ahead and post the Den?!
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Old June 23rd, 2010, 03:28 AM   #2302
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Flierfy, when trying to support your argument with evidence, did you go ahead and post the Den?!
Of course, I did. The Den is precisely how a football ground should be. Four straight and covered stands around a well-kept pitch. No jeer can spoil this marvellous ground for me.
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Old June 23rd, 2010, 03:52 AM   #2303
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Exactly, they may not be completely ideal, but unless FIFA want to go to Qatar they're not going to have much choice. Australian stadiums are probably even tricker for football (and I say that as someone who would prefer the Ozzie bid to win).

Only a tiny handful of European countries would host the world cup with football-only stadiums. England will if the Olympics stadium isn't included in 2018, for example, but most countries cannot do this.
It is no longer possible for one European Country to host the FIFA WC.
The smaller ones like Sweden/Netherlands/Spain/Portugal/Swiz who had hosted the earlier editions will find it difficult.

Ones like England/Russia/Germany/Italy can achieve this.

So comparing to Asia with China/Japan/Korea the capabilities would be the same.
Moreover, if any small European nation does entertain itself with such fantasy, the economic realties would nip it in the bud as with Portugal or Greece etc.

Coming back to the US stadia, whether tehy were built with Soccer in view or not, they are capable of hosting Soccer matches and with soaring ave capacities of 70K+. So Don not ever try mislead the forumers with football specific fields.... European countries.

GO US GO
I shall be there at Houston or Dallas.
The GO USA online registration has crossed half million mark.
Safest World Cup financially/legacy wise/infrastructure wise and popularity wise.
US 2022
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Old June 23rd, 2010, 04:05 AM   #2304
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As cool as the New Den is (only Millwall fans can tell you how good it is or isn't) it hasn't got the 600000 seats that FIFA and travelling fans demand or a big fat party area for big fat FIFA sponsors to advertise their crap in so it doesn't really belong in a World Cup candidate thread.
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Old June 23rd, 2010, 04:36 AM   #2305
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Of course, I did. The Den is precisely how a football ground should be. Four straight and covered stands around a well-kept pitch. No jeer can spoil this marvellous ground for me.
And what does an English style soccer stadium have to do with the US World Cup bid? especially a minor league stadium too small to host a match?
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And what does an English style soccer stadium have to do with the US World Cup bid?
We don't have stadiums that are four grandstands facing a soccer field. Oh well. I guess we'll just have to settle with these:

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Old June 23rd, 2010, 04:59 AM   #2307
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Yeah, it's too bad, because these are all dumps







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Old June 23rd, 2010, 05:00 AM   #2308
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Man...That photo I found of Invesco Field reminded me how awesome it is! I think it's my second favorite NFL stadium next to U of P in Phoenix.
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Old June 23rd, 2010, 05:09 AM   #2309
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Man, what were we thinking when we built those stadiums? Wastes of money with their big seats, large press boxes and luxury boxes, and state-of-the-art concourses...
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Old June 23rd, 2010, 05:32 AM   #2310
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Dont forget these shitholes:

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omg, they don't have roofs over everything. Better call the waaaahhhhbulance!
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Old June 23rd, 2010, 06:02 AM   #2311
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God Bless America


BUT.....you don't have any "proper" "football" "pitches" that look like this....

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Flierfy is like someone who refuses a Michelin 3 Star dining experience becaue it won't taste like his familiar Microwave dinner.
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Old June 23rd, 2010, 06:58 AM   #2313
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NFL stadia are interesting. While they're very impressive, I'm surprised (judging by the pictures supplied above), by how little overhead cover there is. For a winter sport, it seems strange that a lot of the stadiums don't have roofs that at least cover the public.

Is that an issue with fans? Or something that just historically/culturally has no importance to fans?
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Or something that just historically/culturally has no importance to fans?
This.
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Old June 23rd, 2010, 07:14 AM   #2315
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Or something that just historically/culturally has no importance to fans?
You hit the nail right on the head!
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Old June 23rd, 2010, 07:38 AM   #2316
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NFL stadia are interesting. While they're very impressive, I'm surprised (judging by the pictures supplied above), by how little overhead cover there is. For a winter sport, it seems strange that a lot of the stadiums don't have roofs that at least cover the public.

Is that an issue with fans? Or something that just historically/culturally has no importance to fans?
Fans typically revel in exposure to the elements.
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Old June 23rd, 2010, 07:49 AM   #2317
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Roofs are for pussies.
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Old June 23rd, 2010, 08:59 AM   #2318
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You hit the nail right on the head!
Actually, most early MLB Stadiums (which came to serve double duty as NFL stadiums) had full cover, with the exception of bleacher seating, but sometime around the early 1960's, with the opening of Dodger Stadium and later Shea Stadium, the idea of roofs fell out of style, with the exception of the last few rows of the upper deck in some stadiums. Most college stadiums have lacked roofs for longer however. I could be wrong, but I think we've gotten along just fine without roof's on our parks for the last 50 years or so!

Then:


Now:
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But honestly, so long as the VIP's are nestled comfortably in a luxury box or the press box, will this really pose an issue? I can't see the public being too upset about lack of cover, especially when scenes like this are so common:
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Old June 23rd, 2010, 10:16 AM   #2319
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Roofs are for pussies.
Not neccesarily. Two stadiums similar size.
This in my opinion


is a pussy atmosphere when compared to this



or this



Basically they do seem to help hold in atmosphere. By atmosphere of course I dont mean the white noise of Vuvuzelas or anything similar but a more traditional soccerball atmosphere.
Judging by the pictures on this thread there are plenty of stadiums designed for pussies in The US should they be required by FIFA either way.
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Old June 23rd, 2010, 10:26 AM   #2320
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One can argue that the lack of roof and exposure to the elements in the US espesially in the colder areas projects a strong sense of solidarity between a team and their fans.
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