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Old July 31st, 2010, 08:07 PM   #2541
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I'm European but I have entirely NO anti-American feeling. To me such anti-feelings unveil exactly what those anti-people say about Americans: some kind of privincialism, ignorance and dishonesty.


I agree with your first point: America has stadiums, hotels, attractions etc like almost no other.

I see there, if any, just one point against: I would like to be sure that the hosting nation could reach at least quarterfinals - or to be really likely to win the WC!. I'm sure, that there is a real chance, that one day America will really compete with the best teams in the world. But will this be already in 2018?
After all, this is no knockout-argument for even nations like Italy, Spain, Germany, England, Brazil or Argentina could stumble in first round. So it is a risk, no matter which nation hosts. Nevertheless the US-team is more likely to fail.

So, i would prefer to see the WC in 2022 or 2026 in America when, hopefully, the new generation of US-players have had an optimal professional education from their early years on.

Remember what happened in SA, when Bafana Bafana left the tournament that early.
Yes but look at South Africa, what did they do? They couldn't make it out of their group. And i also DO think America has the potential to at least make the quarters.



Now Sepp Blatter is talking about maybe giving Qatar the 2018 WC


I hope he's only joking.
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Old July 31st, 2010, 08:43 PM   #2542
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US could reach Quarters at most. Would like the host to be likely to reach Quarters at least.


Quatar must be joke. This would be as if Luxembourg or Vatican would host or Panama or Singapur ...

No anti-feelings towards these places, but they simply haven't the pupulation to fill 12 Stadiums.

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Old July 31st, 2010, 11:37 PM   #2543
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It's all posturing at this point, saying things to keep the oil magnates happy. That's why you hear all this stuff about "Blatter wants Russia, Blatter wants Qatar." But in the end, it will come down to "Can they get the votes?" Where do other confederations feel comfortable staging it?
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Old August 1st, 2010, 02:48 AM   #2544
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US bid site.

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Old August 3rd, 2010, 02:07 AM   #2545
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Remember what happened in SA, when Bafana Bafana left the tournament that early.
yeah, like America isnt a multi cultural nation.
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Old August 3rd, 2010, 10:39 AM   #2546
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America is the perfect country to host the WC. No matter what anyone may tell you, NO country on earth can compete with America as far as stadiums, hotels, attractions, etc. are conserned.


It's this idiotic anti-American feeling around the world which backwards people have that keeps this great country from hosting these events.



They gave the Olympics to Rio De Jeneiro (a city filled with crime) in 2016 OVER Chicago even though Brazil is HOSTING the WC in 2014

Give it a rest mate. WC 1994 followed by Olympics 1996? Which nation was that I wonder??

By choosing Brazil the IOC chose a massively up and coming nation a chance. Despite its problems, it proved it can handle multi-sport events with the PanAms in 2007, gave full government guarantees, and is such a beautiful backdrop for the Games that you can understand their choice. It didn't choose Brazil to piss off Americans, even though, it seems, that may have been a side effect of their choice in some cases. And I say this as someone who supported Chicago's bid from the start.

The USA is a middling footballing nation (amongst potential hosts) which has already hosted the world cup once. Unlike the Olympics, where it is one of the superpowers and therefore deserves to host more frequently than most, it is not a superpower in football. It is not anti-American to prefer Australia 2022, nor for someone to say they'd prefer America waited a little longer before hosting again whilst acknowledging that, when they do, they'll do a great job of it. You seem to think America is entitled to host whenever it bids just because it has the best stadiums. Well, the stadium superiority will be true whenever America bids; doesn't mean they should win by default! I hope the USA bid team doesn't share your attitude.

I agree with you with regard to Qatar. I can't see how the logistics of it would work, despite several explanations in the relevent thread, but that's not a topic for here.

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Old August 3rd, 2010, 11:47 AM   #2547
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yeah, like America isnt a multi cultural nation.
Good point.

Nevertheless i would like the host to be one of the top favourites.

But I repeat that this is no knock-out argument against:
If only top-favourites could host then there would be only around 8 nations able to host.
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Old August 3rd, 2010, 07:22 PM   #2548
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They gave the Olympics to Rio De Jeneiro (a city filled with crime) in 2016 OVER Chicago even though Brazil is HOSTING the WC in 2014
Last I checked FIFA and the IOC are independent organizations. That they assigned their favored events to the same nation within a couple years is more indicative of their recognition of that nation's development, rather than some conspiracy. You have to agree there's a convenience, though, in recognizing that Rio will have already pursued some development for the WC that will contribute to their Olympics, so it's mostly shrewd on their part to maximize the early returns of their investments by chasing both events.

That this happens once in a while is coincidence. If it becomes a trend then you can complain.
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Old August 3rd, 2010, 08:11 PM   #2549
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Give it a rest mate. WC 1994 followed by Olympics 1996? Which nation was that I wonder??

By choosing Brazil the IOC chose a massively up and coming nation a chance. Despite its problems, it proved it can handle multi-sport events with the PanAms in 2007, gave full government guarantees, and is such a beautiful backdrop for the Games that you can understand their choice. It didn't choose Brazil to piss off Americans, even though, it seems, that may have been a side effect of their choice in some cases. And I say this as someone who supported Chicago's bid from the start.

The USA is a middling footballing nation (amongst potential hosts) which has already hosted the world cup once. Unlike the Olympics, where it is one of the superpowers and therefore deserves to host more frequently than most, it is not a superpower in football. It is not anti-American to prefer Australia 2022, nor for someone to say they'd prefer America waited a little longer before hosting again whilst acknowledging that, when they do, they'll do a great job of it. You seem to think America is entitled to host whenever it bids just because it has the best stadiums. Well, the stadium superiority will be true whenever America bids; doesn't mean they should win by default! I hope the USA bid team doesn't share your attitude.

I agree with you with regard to Qatar. I can't see how the logistics of it would work, despite several explanations in the relevent thread, but that's not a topic for here.
I am an American and I don't believe the U.S. should get the 2022 cup, I think Australia should. I think we should get it in 2026. I also did not think Chicago should be awarded the 2016 Olympics and was glad Rio got it instead.
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Old August 3rd, 2010, 09:47 PM   #2550
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FIFA World Cup inspection coming to 5 U.S. sites

FIFA will tour stadiums in the New York, Washington, Miami, Dallas and Houston areas in early September as part of the process to select the hosts for the 2018 and 2022 World Cups, American organizers told the Insider.

The inspection group will visit the new Meadowlands stadium in New Jersey, FedEx Field in Landover, Md., Sun Life Stadium in Miami Gardens, Cowboys Stadium in Arlington, Tex., and Reliant Stadium in Houston between Sept. 6 and 9.

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The five locations were selected, among the 18 included in the U.S. formal bid, to accommodate the group's tight travel schedule, provide a variety of venues (Houston has a retractable roof; Dallas and the Meadowlands are new) and show off the size and amenities offered by American stadiums. Seating capacity is 80,000-plus in Dallas, 71,000 in Houston, 80,000 in Miami, up to 80,000 in New Jersey, and 91,000 in Washington.

Miami, the Meadowlands and Washington, as well as West Coast sites, would become prime candidates to host the opening match, the semifinals and championship game. (In 1994, the opener was in Chicago, the semis at the Rose Bowl and the Meadowlands, and the final at the Rose Bowl.)

If the USA were to be awarded the World Cup, at least 12 venues would be utilized. Average seating capacity for the 18 candidates is 76,000.

Assuming the 2018 tournament goes to a European bidder (England is the favorite but faces challenges from Russia, Spain-Portugal and Netherlands-Belgium), the United States will take on South Korea, Japan, Australia and Qatar. The FIFA delegation, led by Chilean federation president Harold Mayne-Nicholls, has already visited South Korea, Japan and Australia.

Danny Jordaan, who oversaw South Africa's World Cup organizing committee, has also joined the inspection group, which, upon concluding its work, will submit a report to FIFA's 24-member executive committee. The vote to choose the 2018 and '22 hosts will take place Dec. 2 in Zurich.
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Old August 3rd, 2010, 11:26 PM   #2551
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Nice, they'll visit in September when the NFL is on. They'll really see the stadiums come to life!
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Old August 4th, 2010, 12:02 AM   #2552
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Nice, they'll visit in September when the NFL is on. They'll really see the stadiums come to life!
The NFL season doesn't start until the 9th and that night's game is in New Orleans so they won't see the stadiums during a NFL game.
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Old August 4th, 2010, 07:19 AM   #2553
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Here is the itinerary for the FIFA visit, and for those interested, the USA Bid Committee will apparently be distributing a "media wrap-up" at the end of each day of the FIFA Technical Inspection Tour, detailing the activities in each one of the markets.

FIFA INSPECTION DELEGATION SCHEDULE

Monday, September 6 – New York City

* 5:30 p.m. ET estimated arrival of FIFA Delegation at St. Regis Hotel
* Private reception with representatives of 18 U.S. candidate host cities

Tuesday, September 7 – New York City – Washington, D.C.

* 10:30 a.m. ET media briefing* at St. Regis Hotel, second floor Versailles Room, featuring Harold Mayne-Nicholls, head of the FIFA Inspection Delegation, and Sunil Gulati, president of U.S. Soccer and chairman of USA Bid Committee
* Tour of Javits Center, one of the proposed sites for Preliminary or Final Draw
* Tour of Red Bull Arena, one of the bid’s proposed training sites
* Tour of New Meadowlands Stadium, one of the bid’s proposed stadiums
* Delegation flies to Washington, D.C.
* Visit to George Mason University, one of the bid’s proposed base camp training sites
* Private dinner with local soccer and political leadership

Wednesday, September 8 – Washington, D.C. – Miami – Dallas

* Tour of the Washington Monument, one of the bid’s proposed Fan Fest sites
* Tour of FedExField, one of the bid’s proposed stadiums
* Delegation flies to Miami
* Tour of Sun Life Stadium, one of the bid’s proposed stadiums
* Tour of Miami Beach Convention Center, one of the proposed Final Draw sites
* Delegation flies to Dallas

Thursday, September 9 – Dallas – Houston

* Tour of Dallas Convention Center, one of the proposed FIFA Congress sites
* Tour of Cowboys Stadium, one of the bid’s proposed stadiums
* Delegation flies to Houston
* Tour of Reliant Stadium, one of the bid’s proposed stadiums
* Tour of George R. Brown Convention Center, one of the proposed sites for the International Broadcast Center
* 4 p.m. CT media briefing at George R. Brown Convention Center, featuring Harold Mayne-Nicholls, head of the FIFA Inspection Committee, and Sunil Gulati, president of U.S. Soccer and chairman of USA Bid Committee
* FIFA Delegation departs United States

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Old September 2nd, 2010, 11:51 PM   #2555
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With one million signatures for a bid, this could be considered as a STRONG public support.
They reached this milestone before the inspection days.

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Old September 3rd, 2010, 01:42 AM   #2556
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should of had LD close out the promo, but overall it was good
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Old September 3rd, 2010, 11:48 PM   #2557
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America could easily win the 2026, with south america going for 2030 with Argentinia/Uruguay.
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Old September 3rd, 2010, 11:50 PM   #2558
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America could easily win the 2026, with south america going for 2030 with Argentinia/Uruguay.
I highly doubt Europe is going to go three World Cups without hosting. After they host in 2018, they'll get 2030 in all likelihood as well. As for the US, the one thing that they definitely have in their favor is that should they lose out on 2022 (and I think the US has to be the favorites), they're all but a shoe-in for 2026.
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As for the US, the one thing that they definitely have in their favor is that should they lose out on 2022 (and I think the US has to be the favorites), they're all but a shoe-in for 2026.
Not trying to be a buzz-kill but I don't know why everyone is so sure of this. The whole rotation thing was Blatter's idea, and he will be long gone by then. Not to mention FIFA are notorious for changing the rules to suit their political agenda.
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Old September 4th, 2010, 12:31 AM   #2560
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I highly doubt Europe is going to go three World Cups without hosting. After they host in 2018, they'll get 2030 in all likelihood as well. As for the US, the one thing that they definitely have in their favor is that should they lose out on 2022 (and I think the US has to be the favorites), they're all but a shoe-in for 2026.
I wouldn't be so sure of that. The rotation policy was scrapped. The only rule is no confederation can host twice in a row. The competition for 2026 will be FAR stronger than 2022. European bidders will be elgible and China has said they will be bidding.
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