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Old September 11th, 2010, 09:41 AM   #2581
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The US bid should insist more about international legacy.
What does this mean exactly?
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Old September 11th, 2010, 01:12 PM   #2582
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this bid is the the most spectacular due to the economic potential!
it has the strenght to lead football to a very very high level of organising sport events!

i one for this bid!! it is more better than the belgian or netherlands!!

my wish 2018-> england / 2022-> usa
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Old September 11th, 2010, 01:42 PM   #2583
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Getting back to the large size of the country. My guess is that they would have 4 geographic pods. (West, Central, Northeast, and Southeast). During the group stage each pod would host 2 groups of teams. This would give each city a total of four games in the group round.

Here are what I see as the 12 likely host cities and how the pods can break down:

Groups A, D Northeast: New York, Boston, Philly
Groups B, E Southeast: Washington, Atlanta, Miami
Groups C, F Central: Denver, Dallas, Houston
Groups D, G West: Seattle, LA, and a pick-em between Phoenix and SD


Cities not making the final cut: Indy, Nashville, KC, Tampa, Baltimore, PHX/SD

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Old September 12th, 2010, 12:27 AM   #2584
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Getting back to the large size of the country. My guess is that they would have 4 geographic pods. (West, Central, Northeast, and Southeast). During the group stage each pod would host 2 groups of teams. This would give each city a total of four games in the group round.

Here are what I see as the 12 likely host cities and how the pods can break down:

Groups A, D Northeast: New York, Boston, Philly
Groups B, E Southeast: Washington, Atlanta, Miami
Groups C, F Central: Denver, Dallas, Houston
Groups D, G West: Seattle, LA, and a pick-em between Phoenix and SD


Cities not making the final cut: Indy, Nashville, KC, Tampa, Baltimore, PHX/SD
You have to include Chicago in that list!
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Old September 12th, 2010, 12:40 AM   #2585
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You have to include Chicago in that list!
chicago isn't a part of the bid, their choice...
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Old September 12th, 2010, 02:41 AM   #2586
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chicago isn't a part of the bid, their choice...
Still mindboggling that they weren't willing to get in, but if we get the the right to host, I think they end up in. At that point I think they'll enter the bid, as will a few other stadiums/cities, that are built in the next few years.
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Old September 12th, 2010, 06:10 AM   #2587
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Still mindboggling that they weren't willing to get in, but if we get the the right to host, I think they end up in. At that point I think they'll enter the bid, as will a few other stadiums/cities, that are built in the next few years.
Surely the cities that are part of the bid are the only ones now available.If FIFA wants to change stadia within that city then that can happen ala Durban
With such a huge list of over 50 already pruned down to 18 I think thats it-the final choice will come from those 18
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Surely the cities that are part of the bid are the only ones now available.If FIFA wants to change stadia within that city then that can happen ala Durban
With such a huge list of over 50 already pruned down to 18 I think thats it-the final choice will come from those 18
I don't know if there are specific rules that you have to be part of the original bid to make the final cut. Someone might want to look that up. In the soccer world though, it seems as if "rules" can changed on the fly. But if not, Chicago probably would get back in the race. It is too cosmopolitan of a city to not be included if given a second chance.
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Surely the cities that are part of the bid are the only ones now available.If FIFA wants to change stadia within that city then that can happen ala Durban
With such a huge list of over 50 already pruned down to 18 I think thats it-the final choice will come from those 18
There's no rule about being able to change some things, in fact we did it in 1994. Any additions from outside the bid list just requires FIFA approval. It would be idiotic if someplace like LA built a new fantastic stadium, but had to go to an outdated Rose Bowl or Coliseum because that's what was listed in the bid book. When you're talking about 12 years between the bid and the event itself, you have to assume a few things will change.
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Old September 12th, 2010, 08:27 AM   #2590
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Exactly. My understanding is that the bid book is merely a "here's what we can guarantee right now". Hardly a binding contract. If FIFA thinks more $ lies elsewhere, they'll find a way to go get it.
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Old September 12th, 2010, 08:29 AM   #2591
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I just can't even start to think of a reason why the USA wouldn't get the nod.
The infrastructure is already in place, with more to come.
The population is huge and already a tremendous gathering place for the world.
The stadiums are top of the line. The Dallas Cowboys have built themselves a cathedral and worthy of a WC final.

But most of all, what FIFA cares most, the sponsors would just about overflow FIFA's coffers. Sepp Blatter would be shitting golden bricks three lifetimes into the future after having cloned himself to run and ruin football for the rest of us.

And as an added bonus, with the MLS development into the next decade, this would be the final push to finally get it as a major league in the US market.


I don't think there's any other country as ready as the US to run such a large-scale event.

I'm still wondering why China hasn't made a bid for 18/22. They would be the only real rival in Blatter's eyes.
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Old September 12th, 2010, 09:18 AM   #2592
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But if not, Chicago probably would get back in the race. It is too cosmopolitan of a city to not be included if given a second chance.
As a Chicagoan I certainly hope so. And in not even six months we will have a new mayor who will hopefully have that on the top of the list to rectify if the US bid is awarded.
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Old September 12th, 2010, 10:36 AM   #2593
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I'm still wondering why China hasn't made a bid for 18/22. They would be the only real rival in Blatter's eyes.
Chinese withdrew from their initial intent to bid

Combination of a crap national team and massive corruption issues in the local comp meant the govt wanted to sort them out first

Once their house is in order, I reckon they will be knocking on the door pretty quickly
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Old September 12th, 2010, 12:05 PM   #2594
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Chinese withdrew from their initial intent to bid

Combination of a crap national team and massive corruption issues in the local comp meant the govt wanted to sort them out first

Once their house is in order, I reckon they will be knocking on the door pretty quickly
They were either going to bid on the Winter Olympics or World Cup and for the reasons stated here, they went Winter Olympics.
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Old September 12th, 2010, 06:26 PM   #2595
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They were either going to bid on the Winter Olympics or World Cup and for the reasons stated here, they went Winter Olympics.
Yes,and this in itself devalues the WC in FIFAs eyes.
They went the WO route because they know they will do well,whereas with football their house is a shambles,they can't even get close to qualifying ,their fans ridicule the NT
So much so that when Australia played them last in a WCQ we selected and played an Olympic football team of under 23's.
The previous President of the CSL is in jail for corruption, match fixing etc
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I really wish that DC would blow up RFK Stadium and build a new 85,000 seat stadium. If the west side of the stadium were open, can you imagine the view?

yeah I got chills just thinking about it. Plenty of time for it to happen.
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yeah I got chills just thinking about it. Plenty of time for it to happen.
imagine a qwest field type stadium with an open end toward the capital
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Here is a list of any potential stadiums that may be used for a second FIFA World Cup in the United States.

Phoenix - Cardinals Stadium - 72,200
San Francisco - New Stadium - 70,000
Los Angeles - Rose Bowl - 91,136
San Diego - Jack Murphy Stadium - 65,000 or New Stadium - 68,000
Denver - Mile High Stadium - 76,125
Miami - Dolphins Stadium - 74,918
Tampa - Tampa Community Stadium - 75,000
Atlanta - Georgia Dome - 71,228
Chicago - Soldier Field - 61,500
Indianapolis - Indiana Stadium - 70,000
New Orleans - Louisiana Superdome - 63,525
Baltimore - Ravens Stadium - 71,008
Boston - Foxborough Stadium - 68,756
Detroit - Ford Field - 65,000 or Pontiac Silverdome - 80,311
Minneapolis - new Vikings stadium - 73,000
St. Louis - The Dome at America's Center - 66,965
Kansas City - Arrowhead Stadium - 77,000
Newark - Meadowlands Stadium - 82,566
Charlotte - Carolinas Stadium - 73,778
Cleveland - Browns Stadium - 73,200
Philadelphia - Philadelphia Field - 68,532
Nashville - nashville Coliseum - 69,143
San Antonio - Alamodome - 65,000
Dallas - Cowboys stadium - 80,000+
Houston - Reliant Stadium - 69,500
Seattle - Seattle Field - 67,500
Washington DC - Landover Field - 91,704, or New RFK National Stadium - 100,000

Too many of these venues meet FIFA requirements, but some of these may not. So this list needs to be cut down to 12 (the maximum number of venues required to host a FIFA World Cup).
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Old September 13th, 2010, 09:57 AM   #2599
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Wasn't it cut to just 18

Atlanta, San Diego, Phoenix, Dallas, Seattle, Denver, Tampa, Indianapolis, Baltimore, Nashville, Kansas City, Houston, Miami, Philadelphia, Los Angeles, Washington D.C., Boston, and New York.
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Yes the bid only includes those 18. But people are getting too hung up on stadiums. This event will be 12 years from now. Stadiums, and likely cities, will change entirely. The bid is just a general outline, a rough draft per say. And anyways, until the host is officially announced, it's all moot. Discussions about individual stadiums and hosting capability of specific cities is just fluff. Let's have this conversation, if necessary, on Dec. 3rd.
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