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Old November 2nd, 2010, 01:44 PM   #2821
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Ovals are fine, but not ideal. I think that's a pretty fair summary.
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Old November 2nd, 2010, 03:15 PM   #2822
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Love how people keep attributing the attitudes of a few bold Americans who think they're awesome at everything to the actual USA bid team as if it will somehow have a karmic effect on the vote. This whole thing is a bunch of people BS'ing on the internet.

Americans will always believe they are the sh!t at everything. So don't throw a hissy fit when you guys come to a message board and see that attitude propagated. Oh and feel free to laugh at anyone you want after the vote. I guess hosting the World Cup is a bigger deal in other countries, but nothing about it is life or death here. Let's put things in perspective, much more concerned with the midterm elections later today, things that actually matter.

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Old November 2nd, 2010, 03:22 PM   #2823
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Love how people keep attributing the attitudes of a few bold Americans who think they're awesome at everything to the actual USA bid team
Who?
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Old November 2nd, 2010, 03:54 PM   #2824
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Sunil Gulati is an imbecile, no doubt about it. He thinks he's funny he's NOT. I've read a lot of quotes by that guy and he's extremely fortunate he's got an idiotic American media to work with, unlike the English bid or the Australian bid otherwise his bid would have been the first to be torn to shreds. His numbers are total garbage and he's been conning the American public throughout and the up his own date behaviours have been a total disgrace to not just the football world but humanity in general. The guy is an A grade TOOL, no wonder Bradley's the best USSF could do and football is the garbage sport in the US, no matter what the various proponents on here claim. The sport in all the other bidding nations, has far more of a worthy profile and respect than that it has within the US and no matter whether the US hosts now, next year, in twenty years time or whenever, nothing is ever going to change.


But to date, the NCAA have treated soccer as the bastard stepbrother of the big three American sports, football, baseball, and basketball, overlooking cultural differences and imposing regulations that restrict players from fully maturing. The failure of this regime is evidenced in the 1998 World Cup, when the US finished in last place, in 2002 only advanced to the quarter finals, and in 2006 were eliminated from the group rounds after losing to Ghana.

Read more: http://soccerlens.com/us-college-soc...#ixzz1484bKPdh

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Old November 2nd, 2010, 05:46 PM   #2825
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The final of 2006 was on an oval here in Berlin. Everyone thought that was ok.
Sir, an AFL oval is much bigger than a standard pitch with running track around it. Sorry that was lost in translation.

But many soccer fans I know hate running tracks, too.
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Old November 2nd, 2010, 05:56 PM   #2826
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No it isn't they tend to be wider but shorter than Athletics tracks.
Subiaco Oval in Perth is the only AFL ground that can fit a proper track in without having to take any seating out. It happens to be the second narrowest ground in the league and is a comparable shape to the new london olympic stadium only sightly smaller, Still Subi won't be used in a successful Australian bid. The Perth proposal will have a pivotable ground tier which will make a rectangle the same size as Twickenham in London (thats if the oval dimensions are built to replicate Subi, which they may go smaller). Sorry for going off on a tangent.

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Old November 2nd, 2010, 05:57 PM   #2827
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The fields at all potential sites can be widened to meet international standards if the U.S. is awarded either the 2018 or 2022 tournament, FIFA’s World Cup inspectors were assured this week. The fields at NFL stadiums are generally smaller than the 75 yards FIFA prefers, and several games were played on slightly narrower fields during the 1994 World Cup.

“We’ve assured them that we will get to FIFA international dimensions—and in a cost-effective way,” U.S. Soccer President Sunil Gulati said Friday. “And, if for any reason that was an issue, we have alternatives.”


one of the Sunil Gulati bs information, oh yeah we'll widen fields but don't worry people it's happening for free, no problems What a joke, meanwhile....

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Old November 2nd, 2010, 06:15 PM   #2828
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Mike stop trolling, you're getting as bad as some of the Russians.
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Old November 2nd, 2010, 06:21 PM   #2829
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Mike stop trolling, you're getting as bad as some of the Russians.
It's all football related and more specifically world cup bid related, so I fail to see your point.
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Old November 2nd, 2010, 06:39 PM   #2830
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Sir, an AFL oval is much bigger than a standard pitch with running track around it. Sorry that was lost in translation.

But many soccer fans I know hate running tracks, too.
Perhaps you should also have a look at past world cup host stadiums.

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Old November 2nd, 2010, 06:50 PM   #2831
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The fields at all potential sites can be widened to meet international standards if the U.S. is awarded either the 2018 or 2022 tournament, FIFA’s World Cup inspectors were assured this week. The fields at NFL stadiums are generally smaller than the 75 yards FIFA prefers, and several games were played on slightly narrower fields during the 1994 World Cup.

“We’ve assured them that we will get to FIFA international dimensions—and in a cost-effective way,” U.S. Soccer President Sunil Gulati said Friday. “And, if for any reason that was an issue, we have alternatives.”


one of the Sunil Gulati bs information, oh yeah we'll widen fields but don't worry people it's happening for free, no problems What a joke, meanwhile....
Where does he say it's free unless where you're from cost-effective means free. The cost of widening the field a few yards is minimal.
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Old November 2nd, 2010, 08:20 PM   #2832
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Perhaps you should also have a look at past world cup host stadiums.

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So what? Those are anything but ideal. Pretend all you want, running tracks are AWFUL.
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Old November 2nd, 2010, 09:07 PM   #2833
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Sunil Gulati is an imbecile, no doubt about it. He thinks he's funny he's NOT. I've read a lot of quotes by that guy and he's extremely fortunate he's got an idiotic American media to work with, unlike the English bid or the Australian bid otherwise his bid would have been the first to be torn to shreds. His numbers are total garbage and he's been conning the American public throughout and the up his own date behaviours have been a total disgrace to not just the football world but humanity in general. The guy is an A grade TOOL, no wonder Bradley's the best USSF could do and football is the garbage sport in the US, no matter what the various proponents on here claim. The sport in all the other bidding nations, has far more of a worthy profile and respect than that it has within the US and no matter whether the US hosts now, next year, in twenty years time or whenever, nothing is ever going to change.


But to date, the NCAA have treated soccer as the bastard stepbrother of the big three American sports, football, baseball, and basketball, overlooking cultural differences and imposing regulations that restrict players from fully maturing. The failure of this regime is evidenced in the 1998 World Cup, when the US finished in last place, in 2002 only advanced to the quarter finals, and in 2006 were eliminated from the group rounds after losing to Ghana.

Read more: http://soccerlens.com/us-college-soc...#ixzz1484bKPdh
I don't think anyone on here will defend Gulati. But you are clearly ignorant if you think soccer in the States is more dysfunctional right now than in Australia. There's a good relationship between USSF, MLS, and even more recently the NCAA (poor research job on your part, that's an outdated article). Plus, hate on America all you want, but they just put a beatdown on your country using a no-name scrub from MLS. But the main point is, you're just a transparent troll who comes on here and bashes an entire country's soccer structure just because your country is competing to host a soccer tournament. Lame.
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Old November 3rd, 2010, 01:19 AM   #2834
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The final of 2006 was on an oval here in Berlin. Everyone thought that was ok.
To be fair, I'd say that I and probably a lot of others think that's the best running track stadium in the world right now.
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Old November 3rd, 2010, 01:25 AM   #2835
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It's all football related and more specifically world cup bid related, so I fail to see your point.
No its not troll. If that's anything related to the World Cup, news about the Tampa Bay Bucs being 5-2 in the NFL will be related in here because the Bucs play in Raymond James Stadium and the stadium is one of the stadiums that will be used when the United States of American wins the 2022 World Cup!
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Old November 3rd, 2010, 01:29 AM   #2836
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Perhaps you should also have a look at past world cup host stadiums.


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Why have you used that as an example of an oval?


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Old November 3rd, 2010, 07:42 AM   #2837
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I think the Aussies have one or two more arguments than that, but if you want to underestimate your opponenents go right ahead.
I just get tired of hearing about how we hosted it recently and how we can host in 2026 instead.

I'd rather hear the positives about your bid instead of this.

You gotta admit that if they were in even terms (ie: USA hadn't hosted before or if OZ had already hosted it once), the USA bid would destroy the OZ bid.
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Old November 3rd, 2010, 07:47 AM   #2838
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Perhaps you should also have a look at past world cup host stadiums.
So because past WCs have had running tracks it's OK to keep having WC games in running track stadiums?

Ovals/running tracks are awful for soccer.

Yeah you can put temporary stands close to the pitch but that doesn't make the other 95% of the seats closer to the pitch. If you're the upper stands it doesn't matter if there's temporary stands or not, the view is still awful.
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Old November 3rd, 2010, 10:31 AM   #2839
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To be fair, I'd say that I and probably a lot of others think that's the best running track stadium in the world right now.
I prefer Luzhniki Stadium to Berlin's, but Berlin's is about as good as a stadium with a track can be.

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No its not troll. If that's anything related to the World Cup, news about the Tampa Bay Bucs being 5-2 in the NFL will be related in here because the Bucs play in Raymond James Stadium and the stadium is one of the stadiums that will be used when the United States of American wins the 2022 World Cup!
Honestly, I'd be very, very surprised if Raymond James hosts matches should the US win the bid. Only one Florida city will host and I'd be shocked if they passed on Miami. After all, Miami is more renowned and is currently slated to host the draw if we win the right to host.
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Old November 3rd, 2010, 10:32 AM   #2840
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But the main point is, you're just a transparent troll who comes on here and bashes an entire country's soccer structure just because your country is competing to host a soccer tournament. Lame.
Agreed. This MyseryMike is just a pisspot, pathetic troll with nothing but bile spewing from his toxic spout. May a thousand plagues visit your house, b*tch!!
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