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Old November 3rd, 2010, 10:06 PM   #2841
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Sunil Gulati is an imbecile, no doubt about it. He thinks he's funny he's NOT. I've read a lot of quotes by that guy and he's extremely fortunate he's got an idiotic American media to work with, unlike the English bid or the Australian bid otherwise his bid would have been the first to be torn to shreds. His numbers are total garbage
Please provide proof, as in factual numbers.
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Old November 5th, 2010, 11:55 PM   #2842
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Is MysteryMike even trying to make a point? All I can see is incoherent rambling.
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Old November 6th, 2010, 12:32 AM   #2843
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Agreed. This MyseryMike is just a pisspot, pathetic troll with nothing but bile spewing from his toxic spout. May a thousand plagues visit your house, b*tch!!
lol I'm sure all the plagues and bile are in the process of attacking the US There's not enough left for anybody else to get attacked by
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Old November 6th, 2010, 12:35 AM   #2844
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Please provide proof, as in factual numbers.
Why don't you ask Sunil Gulati, he's the one hiding the numbers, his bid is driven on a whim pronouncing that the US tax payers won't spend anything on the world cup, it's total garbage as stated by even FIFA's technical committee. The US requires modifications to it's stadiums and much much more, and guess what? those ain't happening for free

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Old November 6th, 2010, 01:01 AM   #2845
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Is MysteryMike even trying to make a point? All I can see is incoherent rambling.
I think he realizes that the US has the superior bid and is looking for anything that, in his eyes, brings it down in any way.


It's really just envy
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Old November 6th, 2010, 01:18 AM   #2846
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Why don't you ask Sunil Gulati, he's the one hiding the numbers, his bid is driven on a whim pronouncing that the US tax payers won't spend anything on the world cup, it's total garbage as stated by even FIFA's technical committee. The US requires modifications to it's stadiums and much much more, and guess what? those ain't happening for free
Stadiums aren't run by city or state governments and taypayers won't foot the bill for the small renovations needed. Try again with actual facts and not just throwing vague ideas out there.
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Old November 6th, 2010, 01:25 AM   #2847
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Why don't you ask Sunil Gulati, he's the one hiding the numbers, his bid is driven on a whim pronouncing that the US tax payers won't spend anything on the world cup, it's total garbage as stated by even FIFA's technical committee. The US requires modifications to it's stadiums and much much more, and guess what? those ain't happening for free

LIKE WHAT??? We're talking about a fraction of the 18 proposed stadiums that need an extra 5 yards cut out the corners which despite your disingenuous insinuations, is peanuts. What else is there to pay for???? The stadiums are built, the infrastructure is all there. What exactly is there that's going to put the US government on the hook for an amount of money that will send the debt clock spiralling into the abyss???? Articulate something other than "go ask Sunil". Otherwise, shut up and stop trolling.
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Old November 6th, 2010, 02:05 AM   #2848
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LIKE WHAT??? We're talking about a fraction of the 18 proposed stadiums that need an extra 5 yards cut out the corners which despite your disingenuous insinuations, is peanuts. What else is there to pay for???? The stadiums are built, the infrastructure is all there. What exactly is there that's going to put the US government on the hook for an amount of money that will send the debt clock spiralling into the abyss???? Articulate something other than "go ask Sunil". Otherwise, shut up and stop trolling.
Like I said buddy I can't help the fact that the World Cup bid, doesn't get any coverage what so ever in the US and no one gives a toss about football. Every other nation had widespread coverage of FIFA and it's issues and have had checks into their world cup bid logistics, the US hasn't even raised a blip. For a nation that's hosted a world cup only in 1994, it's a downright embarrassment. Do you really think the US, which has achieved nothing in football can have 2 world cups within 28 years whereas England, Brazil etc have had to wait way way longer? lol what a joke. The bid is a total farce, backed up by bs statistics, supported by hardly anyone, not getting any traction what so ever within an economy that's currently resorting to "banana republic" tactics and has so many holes with infrastructure, security, legacy etc etc that only Qatar's completely out of whack bid makes it look even half decent.
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Coates maintains that, despite organisers claims, hosting the World Cup in 2018 or 2022 would not benefit the American economy.

"It won’t be a boon for the American economy; in fact, it will likely cost the United States billions of dollars in lost economic impact," he writes.

"For example, economic estimates in support of the 1994 US World Cup were later shown by economists to have been off by up to $14 billion (£9 billion).

"Far from having a positive economic impact, the last World Cup we hosted, a so-called major success, had a negative impact on the average US host city of $712 million (£469 million).

"Yet no one is discussing these figures despite the current economic troubles we face.…Few analysts who aren't in the employ of the event boosters have ever found such events to pay for themselves in a purely dollars and cents view."


http://www.insideworldfootball.biz/i...:usa&Itemid=78
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Old November 6th, 2010, 02:29 AM   #2850
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Move along, nothing new here. Hosting big events always comes with a huge cost burden. It would be the same story in Australia. Local governments will never turn a profit from hosting a World Cup. Australia and America aren't bidding so they can make money, they are doing it for soccer.
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Old November 6th, 2010, 02:33 AM   #2851
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are they considering the long term impact of all the positive press and constant images from a host city being beamed all across the world? plenty of tourist might choose to come to LA or SF or whatever, just from watching the games and seeing the city on TV.
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Old November 6th, 2010, 04:16 AM   #2852
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Coates maintains that, despite organisers claims, hosting the World Cup in 2018 or 2022 would not benefit the American economy.

"It won’t be a boon for the American economy; in fact, it will likely cost the United States billions of dollars in lost economic impact," he writes.

"For example, economic estimates in support of the 1994 US World Cup were later shown by economists to have been off by up to $14 billion (£9 billion).

"Far from having a positive economic impact, the last World Cup we hosted, a so-called major success, had a negative impact on the average US host city of $712 million (£469 million).

"Yet no one is discussing these figures despite the current economic troubles we face.…Few analysts who aren't in the employ of the event boosters have ever found such events to pay for themselves in a purely dollars and cents view."


http://www.insideworldfootball.biz/i...:usa&Itemid=78
Awwwwwwwwwwwww. The trolling phag found the ONE article that of course disputes all the realistic figures. Well, like Iranian president Ahmahjinihad said: The Holocaust never happened!! I am sure you agree with him on that, Mike!!
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Old November 6th, 2010, 08:52 AM   #2853
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Mike you are getting really embarrassing

The US has some fantastic stadiums, and unlike our bid all will be rectangular and have more seating.

Its a massive advantage to the US bid, and pretending otherwise is bewildering

As for the cost, the US is facing a few financial issues right now, but even during the worst economic slowdown in US history since the Great Depression, they are STILL nearly 3 times larger than the nearest nation. In 12 years time do you seriously think the USA will still be in recession?
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Old November 6th, 2010, 01:54 PM   #2854
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Awwwwwwwwwwwww. The trolling phag found the ONE article that of course disputes all the realistic figures. Well, like Iranian president Ahmahjinihad said: The Holocaust never happened!! I am sure you agree with him on that, Mike!!

Godwin's law. You lose and Mystery Mike wins!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law
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Old November 6th, 2010, 03:11 PM   #2855
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Godwin's law. You lose and Mystery Mike wins!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law
Godwin? Whodafeck is that?

Actually, I WIN...DysentaryMike loses!!
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Old November 6th, 2010, 10:04 PM   #2856
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Like I said buddy I can't help the fact that the World Cup bid, doesn't get any coverage what so ever in the US and no one gives a toss about football. Every other nation had widespread coverage of FIFA and it's issues and have had checks into their world cup bid logistics, the US hasn't even raised a blip. For a nation that's hosted a world cup only in 1994, it's a downright embarrassment. Do you really think the US, which has achieved nothing in football can have 2 world cups within 28 years whereas England, Brazil etc have had to wait way way longer? lol what a joke. The bid is a total farce, backed up by bs statistics, supported by hardly anyone, not getting any traction what so ever within an economy that's currently resorting to "banana republic" tactics and has so many holes with infrastructure, security, legacy etc etc that only Qatar's completely out of whack bid makes it look even half decent.
What does the economy have anything to do with it? Almost nothing. The cost of a USA World Cup would be tiny compared to other countries.

I can understand if you don't think the US should have the Cup, but don't make up shit to support your beliefs.
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Old November 8th, 2010, 10:28 AM   #2857
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Coates maintains that, despite organisers claims, hosting the World Cup in 2018 or 2022 would not benefit the American economy.

"It won’t be a boon for the American economy; in fact, it will likely cost the United States billions of dollars in lost economic impact," he writes.

"For example, economic estimates in support of the 1994 US World Cup were later shown by economists to have been off by up to $14 billion (£9 billion).

"Far from having a positive economic impact, the last World Cup we hosted, a so-called major success, had a negative impact on the average US host city of $712 million (£469 million).

"Yet no one is discussing these figures despite the current economic troubles we face.…Few analysts who aren't in the employ of the event boosters have ever found such events to pay for themselves in a purely dollars and cents view."


http://www.insideworldfootball.biz/i...:usa&Itemid=78
This actually HELPS our bid if anything.

All the bidding countries will face this "lost economic impact."

The only difference is that the US doesn't have to spend ANY money on stadiums.

Thanks for making me more confident in our bid!

Before: The US bid makes a lot of money while other bids MIGHT break even.

After: The US bid breaks even while other bids LOSE A LOT of money!

FIFA is going to feel bad bankrupting good countries like Australia/Qatar/Japan so they'll give the "burden" of hosting a WC to the EVIL United States. Sucks for the US!
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This actually HELPS our bid if anything.

All the bidding countries will face this "lost economic impact."

The only difference is that the US doesn't have to spend ANY money on stadiums.

Thanks for making me more confident in our bid!

Before: The US bid makes a lot of money while other bids MIGHT break even.

After: The US bid breaks even while other bids LOSE A LOT of money!

FIFA is going to feel bad bankrupting good countries like Australia/Qatar/Japan so they'll give the "burden" of hosting a WC to the EVIL United States. Sucks for the US!
I know you don't have to build any stadia, but how much public transport is there to each stadium? This was something the inspectors had a problem with a few months ago
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Old November 8th, 2010, 07:23 PM   #2859
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Why don't you ask Sunil Gulati, he's the one hiding the numbers, his bid is driven on a whim pronouncing that the US tax payers won't spend anything on the world cup, it's total garbage as stated by even FIFA's technical committee.
Laughable, to say the least.
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Old November 8th, 2010, 09:17 PM   #2860
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I know you don't have to build any stadia, but how much public transport is there to each stadium? This was something the inspectors had a problem with a few months ago
The FIFA inspection team were going to the sites on VAN's. They did not use any public transport.

Bill Clint will go to Zurich to make the final push for the US bid.
Excellent point.

http://www.worldfootballinsider.com/Story.aspx?id=33872

We hope Morgan Freeman will also go to Zurich.
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