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Old February 6th, 2009, 09:17 PM   #861
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One isn't a hater just for mentioning the weakest point in the American bid. It is a fact that a standardised football pitch* doesn't fit in many of the mentioned venues, at least not without significant alteration of the current layout.

It would leave a bad taste in the mouth if the FIFA lifts it's regulation for one country while it keeps bullying other hosts with ridiculous requirements. I spotted not a single NFL venue that has its player tunnel on the halfway line. I wonder if that has to be changed as it had in Kaiserslautern for the 2006 World Cup.

* although I've never been in favour of such strict rules
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Old February 6th, 2009, 09:45 PM   #862
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The rules aren't strict at all flierfy! There is an awful lot of leeway in the size of pitches according to the laws of the game. You could technically have a square pitch if you went as wide and as short as was allowed (although I'm not aware of any that exist!):




Trouble is, a standard NFL pitch is at the very low end of this range in terms of the width (160 feet = 53 yards):



But, as has been pointed out, the USA know what they're doing and will avoid stadiums with narrow pitches.
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FIFA wants 105m*68m which is nowadys the standard for pro football.
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Sercan you're right.Since 2005 every new pitch should has 105x68m for FIFA offical matches.
American football pitch has around 110x49m and this a huge problem because we need 19m(width)!

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Old February 6th, 2009, 10:10 PM   #865
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One isn't a hater just for mentioning the weakest point in the American bid.
It is when it's repeated as nauseum despite the fact any rational person would realize the parties involved in the bid process already know that and have solutions in mind. (Which I said earlier on that same page!) FI...
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It is a fact that a standardised football pitch* doesn't fit in many of the mentioned venues, at least not without significant alteration of the current layout.
But those aren't the only facts, and this stance assumes the venues won't/can't be altered in order to incorporate a proper pitch and that instead FIFA will bend their rules to accommodate the US. Or that somewhere across the nation there are at least 10 venues perfectly capable of meeting FIFA standards without any modification needed. That's called being a hater or just being outright stupid. Yes, it's a given that as of right now, without any modification, most NFL venues can't accommodate FIFA standards. But for someone to assume, however, that the US bid doesn't take that into account, that FIFA wouldn't hold the US to a fair standard and that nothing will be altered prior to 2018 or 2022 is completely disingenuous and an insult to the bid organizers, if not the US in general (given the tone of some posts).

China's bid would likely rely on vacuous athletic stadiums with s*** sightlines and several towns ill equipped to handle tourists, to say nothing of political issues. Indonesia and others would rely heavily on brand new construction and likely lead to many white elephants and/or still require general athletic venues. Russia has, IIRC, only 1 venue currently WC worthy with only 2 others planned or in construction. These bids alone are BILLIONS of dollars away from feasibility, let alone warranting serious consideration! Yet the US is routinely slammed as unworthy because our state-of-the-art venues are "too skinny" for world football and we're somehow incapable of rectifying that matter over 8-12 years?!

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It would leave a bad taste in the mouth if the FIFA lifts it's regulation for one country while it keeps bullying other hosts with ridiculous requirements. I spotted not a single NFL venue that has its player tunnel on the halfway line. I wonder if that has to be changed as it had in Kaiserslautern for the 2006 World Cup.
I don't suppose England should be ruled out considering half their suggested venues (Old Trafford, St. James, Villa Park) don't meet the idealized standards? Nor does the Bernabeu and several Spanish venues, and so on. Meanwhile, if FIFA is so extremist as to require a tunnel at the halfway line then they truly have lost the plot. If in the grand scheme of architectural safety and accommodations that's something they're holding the line such that THAT rule alone could rule out a stadium, well then frankly I wouldn't want anything to do with them let alone see my confederation give them money or support. Seriously, that's more asinine than the distance from the pitch because it has no functional value. None. (Not ranting at you, here, just the idea of such a rule.)
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Old February 6th, 2009, 10:11 PM   #866
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The rules aren't strict at all flierfy! There is an awful lot of leeway in the size of pitches according to the laws of the game. You could technically have a square pitch if you went as wide and as short as was allowed (although I'm not aware of any that exist!)
Not for World Cup games. The FIFA requires a pitch size of 105 x 68 m [source (page 31)].
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Old February 6th, 2009, 10:28 PM   #867
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Pitch at OT is 105*68m
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Doesn't FIFA require at least the press and VIP sections to be covered by a roof? I think that's why they're putting up partial roofs in some of South Africa's stadiums for 2010. A lot of stadiums withouth a roof have been mentioned so far in this thread.
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Old February 7th, 2009, 01:07 AM   #869
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I'm saying that either San Francisco or San Diego gets to host, whichever gets a new stadium the fastest.
I didnt know that the Chargers are getting a new stadium, is it U/C?? If it's not built, why not use the Qualcomm??
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Old February 7th, 2009, 01:13 AM   #870
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Man, you're making me miss those days in RFK, with the stands literally bouncing and the fans chanting "We Want Dallas!" And when we used to win Super Bowls. Those were the days.

I'm with you on FedEx, too. It just isn't right.
The stands still bounce, you should check out a DC United game if you haven't been.

As run down as RFK is, it oozes character.
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Old February 7th, 2009, 02:26 AM   #871
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The stands still bounce, you should check out a DC United game if you haven't been.

As run down as RFK is, it oozes character.
does this make you feel bad then?

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Old February 7th, 2009, 02:44 AM   #872
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Doesn't FIFA require at least the press and VIP sections to be covered by a roof? I think that's why they're putting up partial roofs in some of South Africa's stadiums for 2010. A lot of stadiums withouth a roof have been mentioned so far in this thread.
all american stadiums have press sections indoors, built in with the suites, VIPs would get suites as well

p.s. first post!
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Old February 7th, 2009, 03:05 AM   #873
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does this make you feel bad then?

I like that about it
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Old February 7th, 2009, 08:40 AM   #874
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I didnt know that the Chargers are getting a new stadium, is it U/C?? If it's not built, why not use the Qualcomm??
They're not, yet at least, they're working on it.

And Qualcomm is a dump, not good enough to unseat a SF stadium.
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The rules aren't strict at all flierfy! There is an awful lot of leeway in the size of pitches according to the laws of the game. You could technically have a square pitch if you went as wide and as short as was allowed (although I'm not aware of any that exist!):




Trouble is, a standard NFL pitch is at the very low end of this range in terms of the width (160 feet = 53 yards):



But, as has been pointed out, the USA know what they're doing and will avoid stadiums with narrow pitches.
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Sercan you're right.Since 2005 every new pitch should has 105x68m for FIFA offical matches.
American football pitch has around 110x49m and this a huge problem because we need 19m(width)!
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Not for World Cup games. The FIFA requires a pitch size of 105 x 68 m [source (page 31)].
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Relax, guys, the playing surfaces at most of the stadiums being discussed are a good bit wider than the gridiron itself. Corner kicks aren't nearly as big of a deal as some people are making them out to be, either.

Freddy Adu lining up a corner at Qwest Field in Seattle:
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Andrés Guardado setting up a corner at Reliant Stadium in Houston:
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Landon Donovan taking a corner at University of Phoenix Stadium in Glendale:
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I didnt know that the Chargers are getting a new stadium, is it U/C??
Soon it will be...in Los Angeles.
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Relax, guys, the playing surfaces at most of the stadiums being discussed are a good bit wider than the gridiron itself. Corner kicks aren't nearly as big of a deal as some people are making them out to be, either.

Andrés Guardado setting up a corner at Reliant Stadium in Houston:
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I can't remember the exact numbers and I can't get the FIFA regulations to download at the moment, but I believe they require the above mentioned field dimensions PLUS 7.5m on either side of the pitch and 8m between the goal-line and the crowd behind each goal (for advertising, tv sight lines, etc.). Most of the large English stadiums fail this test by a little, I'd guess from the images you supplied that most US stadiums would fail by a lot.
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+6m at the sights and +7,5m at the goal stands
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The stands still bounce, you should check out a DC United game if you haven't been.

As run down as RFK is, it oozes character.
Oh, I go to all the DC United games, the atmosphere's fantastic. Too bad we only can get the lower bowl full, though. It's not quite the same as it was for the Skins.
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I can't remember the exact numbers and I can't get the FIFA regulations to download at the moment, but I believe they require the above mentioned field dimensions PLUS 7.5m on either side of the pitch and 8m between the goal-line and the crowd behind each goal (for advertising, tv sight lines, etc.). Most of the large English stadiums fail this test by a little, I'd guess from the images you supplied that most US stadiums would fail by a lot.
Wow, FIFA can be some real ****-retentive S.O.B.s, can't they? I can't imagine why so many countries haven't gotten tired of trying to cater to their every single whim and told them to piss off. I mean, it's a joke if they would turn down freaking ENGLAND for the pitches at a few stadiums being 3m too narrow to cram another billboard into the corner.

They want advertising? Why not just run picture-in-picture commercials at certain intervals during the match like they do on ESPN for UEFA coverage? Think they might have issues with the camera angles? SWITCH TO ANOTHER BLOODY ANGLE.

Sorry, guys, something tells me that FIFA are getting a kick out of making countries jump through various hoops just to be thrown a doggy treat. I, personally, will not be the least bit disappointed if FIFA reject the U.S.' 2018 and 2022 bids, because a month-long event ten years down the road is the least-pressing of our country's concerns at the moment.
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