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Old April 21st, 2009, 04:12 PM   #1061
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Seattle's roof may also have one of the greatest acoustic designs in the world.
You certainly don't know the acoustic of the Parc des Princes in Paris with its roof slope design which goes down over the stands.......
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Old April 21st, 2009, 08:34 PM   #1062
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You certainly don't know the acoustic of the Parc des Princes in Paris with its roof slope design which goes down over the stands.......
This is an interesting question. My guess is that the design on Parc des Princes makes the sound from the crowd reflect back at them, so what they will hear is their own cheers rather than the cheers from the other side of the stadium. The level in decibels will be high but it's not certain that it makes the best athmospere, at least I appreciate the "ambient buzz".

The Globe Arena in Stockholm is known for the poor athmosphere, there the sound disappears right up into the sphere and it doesn't come down. A lower roof would have been more preferable for acoustic reasons. The optimum inclination, I don't know. But I assume that it's also helpful if there is a vertical wall between the crowd and the roof that will echo the sound back and forth.

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Old April 21st, 2009, 10:24 PM   #1063
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You certainly don't know the acoustic of the Parc des Princes in Paris with its roof slope design which goes down over the stands.......
Well first off, i never said that Seattle had the loudest. However, i can probably guarantee you that Qwest Field in Seattle is better engineered to reflect sound than Parc des Princes is.
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Old April 22nd, 2009, 01:17 PM   #1064
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This is an interesting question. My guess is that the design on Parc des Princes makes the sound from the crowd reflect back at them, so what they will hear is their own cheers rather than the cheers from the other side of the stadium. The level in decibels will be high but it's not certain that it makes the best athmospere, at least I appreciate the "ambient buzz".
In fact the sound is reflected toward the center of the pitch, which makes it more intimidating and the noise stays inside the stadium...


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Well first off, i never said that Seattle had the loudest. However, i can probably guarantee you that Qwest Field in Seattle is better engineered to reflect sound than Parc des Princes is.
This stadium received international prices for its desing in the 70's (Time magazine said it has to be considerated as to be one of the most important works for its architectural quality). It begins to be old now but it's still used as a model for its acoustic design for new stadiums like the future Lyon Stadium designed by Populous formerly "HOK Sports".

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In fact the sound is reflected toward the center of the pitch, which makes it more intimidating and the noise stays inside the stadium...




This stadium received international prices for its desing in the 70's (Time magazine said it has to be considerated as to be one of the most important works for its architectural quality). It begins to be old now but it's still used as a model for its acoustic design for new stadiums like the future Lyon Stadium designed by Populous formerly "HOK Sports".

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Im sure it was great, but that was the 70s.
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Old April 23rd, 2009, 12:05 PM   #1066
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Why the most of US stadiums has no roof?
Well, there is enough rain and contrary to the belief of some forum posters Americans do like roofs. It must be the kind of games American like to play and watch that reduces the need of roofs.

The most attended game in the USA is baseball. This game isn't played in rain. So there's very little need for shelter. And if I'm not completely wrong some if not all American motor race series stop or suspend their races during rain as well.

The next best attended games are basketball and icehockey which are play indoor. So their venues are fully covered.

That leaves gridiron to be the only major sport in north America that is played in rain. A gridiron season, however, is rather short. An NFL team plays hardly more than 8 games at home. The season for college teams is similar. That raises the question whether it is economical to erect a roof for such a small number of games.
In the past it wasn't considered to be necessary. Partly because of the costs partly because of the baseball tradition I suppose.
Since the 1970s some NFL franchises started to improve conditions for their customers by constructing covered stadiums. Still, the majority of seats in NFL venues are uncovered. The demand for ticket is high and the games get sold out in any case. That makes roofs dispensable for most franchises.
But once a roof makes a difference in selling tickets the remaining open stands will disappear.
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Old April 24th, 2009, 07:20 AM   #1067
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wrong, owners are covering seats(AND THE FIELD, why is this ignored!!!!) because they want the Superbowl and Final Four. No more, no less.
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Old April 24th, 2009, 11:40 AM   #1068
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wrong, owners are covering seats(AND THE FIELD, why is this ignored!!!!) because they want the Superbowl and Final Four. No more, no less.
Bollocks. Venues in the south host the Super Bowl even without a roof. That one game wouldn't pay for this roof structure anyway.
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Old April 24th, 2009, 01:41 PM   #1069
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Bollocks. Venues in the south host the Super Bowl even without a roof. That one game wouldn't pay for this roof structure anyway.
There are weather requirements to host a Super Bowl. The cities in the south fulfill those requirements and have no need for a roof, but stadiums in place such as Detroit, Dallas, Houston, Indianapolis, etc. don't so they need a dome or retractable roof to be able to host a Super Bowl. The reason stadiums are being built with roofs more and more now is to host multiple events that require roofs. Events such as the Final Four, conventions, expos, etc.
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There are weather requirements to host a Super Bowl. The cities in the south fulfill those requirements and have no need for a roof, but stadiums in place such as Detroit, Dallas, Houston, Indianapolis, etc. don't so they need a dome or retractable roof to be able to host a Super Bowl. The reason stadiums are being built with roofs more and more now is to host multiple events that require roofs. Events such as the Final Four, conventions, expos, etc.
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There are weather requirements to host a Super Bowl. The cities in the south fulfill those requirements and have no need for a roof, but stadiums in place such as Detroit, Dallas, Houston, Indianapolis, etc. don't so they need a dome or retractable roof to be able to host a Super Bowl. The reason stadiums are being built with roofs more and more now is to host multiple events that require roofs. Events such as the Final Four, conventions, expos, etc.
Oh, all of a sudden there weather requirements. And you think you can get away with open stadiums for a World Cup game when even the Super Bowl has obligations.

Beside that where do you draw the line that defines the south of the USA when it doesn't include Dallas and Houston?
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There are weather requirements to host a Super Bowl. The cities in the south fulfill those requirements and have no need for a roof, but stadiums in place such as Detroit, Dallas, Houston, Indianapolis, etc. don't so they need a dome or retractable roof to be able to host a Super Bowl. The reason stadiums are being built with roofs more and more now is to host multiple events that require roofs. Events such as the Final Four, conventions, expos, etc.
That are equal conditions for every town to hold a Superbowl, very fair-minded!!
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Oh, all of a sudden there weather requirements. And you think you can get away with open stadiums for a World Cup game when even the Super Bowl has obligations.

Beside that where do you draw the line that defines the south of the USA when it doesn't include Dallas and Houston?
The difference is when the Super Bowl and World Cup are played. End of January or beginning of February is far different than mid summer. The Super Bowl requires that the average temperature in early February be 50 F for a city to host, but really asks that it be 60 F. In mid summer, every city in the running to host a WC match has an average temperature over that threshold. If the WC were held in February, you'd have an argument.

Texas is often considered its own entity or part of the southwest. Most draw the line of the south at Louisiana/Arkansas.

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That are equal conditions for every town to hold a Superbowl, very fair-minded!!
The object of weather requirements or a dome is so weather does not have a significant affect on the outcome of the match. The goal is to have the most even conditions possible so neither team has an advantage.
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name all 53 stadiums that submitted bids to the USSF.
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Old April 25th, 2009, 11:29 PM   #1075
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The difference is when the Super Bowl and World Cup are played. End of January or beginning of February is far different than mid summer. The Super Bowl requires that the average temperature in early February be 50 F for a city to host, but really asks that it be 60 F. In mid summer, every city in the running to host a WC match has an average temperature over that threshold. If the WC were held in February, you'd have an argument.

Texas is often considered its own entity or part of the southwest. Most draw the line of the south at Louisiana/Arkansas.



The object of weather requirements or a dome is so weather does not have a significant affect on the outcome of the match. The goal is to have the most even conditions possible so neither team has an advantage.
Dude, you're too smart & nice to be on skyscrapercity.
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Old April 25th, 2009, 11:51 PM   #1076
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58 venues interested in holding world cup matches in 2018/2022

link: http://www.ussoccer.com/articles/vie..._14155776.html

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* Thirty of the 31 stadiums in the National Football League have confirmed interest. Candlestick Park, home of the San Francisco 49ers, was not listed as a candidate, meaning 100 percent of the NFL stadiums contacted by the USA Bid Committee have confirmed their candidacy.
* More than 20 stadiums have confirmed interest that are either on college campuses or serve as the primary venue for NCAA Division I college football teams.
* Two confirmed stadiums are currently home to Major League Soccer teams in the U.S. – Gillette Stadium (New England Revolution) and Qwest Field (Seattle Sounders).
* All continental United States time zones are represented by stadiums in 28 states and the District of Columbia.


list of stadiums is in the link
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Old April 26th, 2009, 01:21 AM   #1077
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Here is the list from the webpage:

Metro Market Stadium Location
YES Atlanta, Ga. Georgia Dome Atlanta, Ga.
NO Atlanta, Ga. Sanford Stadium Athens, Ga.
NO Austin, Texas Royal Texas Memorial Stadium Austin, Texas
YES Baltimore, Md. M&T Bank Stadium Baltimore, Md.
NO Baton Rouge, La. Tiger Stadium Baton Rouge, La.
YES Birmingham, Ala. Legion Field Birmingham, Ala.
NO Birmingham, Ala. Bryant-Denny Stadium Tuscaloosa, Ala.
YES Boston, Mass. Gillette Stadium Foxborough, Mass.
YES Buffalo, N.Y. Ralph Wilson Stadium Orchard Park, N.Y.
YES Cedar Rapids, Iowa Kinnick Stadium Iowa City, Iowa
YES Champaign, Ill. Memorial Stadium Champaign, Ill.
YES Charlotte, N.C. Bank of America Stadium Charlotte, N.C.
YES Chicago, Ill. Soldier Field Chicago, Ill.
YES Cincinnati, Ohio Paul Brown Stadium Cincinnati, Ohio
YES Cleveland, Ohio Cleveland Browns Stadium Cleveland, Ohio
YES Columbia, Mo. Faurot Field Columbia, Mo.
YES Columbia, S.C. Williams-Brice Stadium Columbia, S.C.
NO Columbus, Ga. Jordan-Hare Stadium Auburn, Ala.
YES Columbus, Ohio Ohio Stadium Columbus, Ohio
YES Dallas, Texas Cotton Bowl Dallas, Texas
YES Dallas, Texas Dallas Cowboys New Stadium Arlington, Texas
YES Denver, Colo. Invesco Field Denver, Colo.
YES Detroit, Mich. University of Michigan Stadium Ann Arbor, Mich.
YES Detroit, Mich. Ford Field Detroit, Mich.
NO Detroit, Mich. Spartan Stadium East Lansing, Mich.
YES Fayetteville, Ark. Reynolds Razorback Stadium Fayetteville, Ark.
YES Green Bay, Wis. Lambeau Field Green Bay, Wis.
YES Greenville, S.C. Memorial Stadium Clemson, S.C.
NO Harrisburg, Pa. Beaver Stadium University Park, Pa.
YES Houston, Texas Reliant Stadium Houston, Texas
YES Houston, Texas Rice Stadium Houston, Texas
NO Houston, Texas Kyle Field College Station, Texas
YES Indianapolis, Ind. Lucas Oil Stadium Indianapolis, Ind.
YES Jacksonville, Fla. Jacksonville Municipal Stadium Jacksonville, Fla.
PENDING Jacksonville, Fla. Ben Hill Griffin Stadium Gainesville, Fla.
YES Kansas City, Mo. Arrowhead Stadium Kansas City, Mo.
YES Knoxville, Tenn. Neyland Stadium Knoxville, Tenn.
YES Lexington, Ky. Commonwealth Stadium Lexington, Ky.
YES Los Angeles, Calif. Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum Los Angeles, Calif.
YES Los Angeles, Calif. Rose Bowl Pasadena, Calif.
YES Madison, Wis. Camp Randall Stadium Madison, Wis.
YES Miami, Fla. Dolphin Stadium Miami Gardens, Fla.
YES Minneapolis, Minn. TCF Bank Stadium Minneapolis, Minn.
YES Minneapolis, Minn. Hubert H. Humphrey Metrodome Minneapolis, Minn.
YES Nashville, Tenn. LP Field Nashville, Tenn.
YES New Haven, Conn. Yale Bowl New Haven, Conn.
YES New Orleans, La. Superdome New Orleans, La.
YES New York, N.Y. Meadowlands Stadium East Rutherford, N.J.
PENDING Oklahoma City, Okla. Oklahoma Memorial Stadium Norman, Okla.
YES Omaha, Neb. Memorial Stadium Lincoln, Neb.
YES Orlando, Fla. Florida Citrus Bowl Orlando, Fla.
YES Philadelphia, Pa. Lincoln Financial Field Philadelphia, Pa.
YES Phoenix, Ariz. University of Phoenix Stadium Glendale, Ariz.
YES Phoenix, Ariz. Sun Devil Stadium Tempe, Ariz.
YES Pittsburgh, Pa. Heinz Field Pittsburgh, Pa.
NO Roanoke, Va. Lane Stadium Blacksburg, Va.
NO Salt Lake City, Utah LaVell Edwards Stadium Provo, Utah
YES San Antonio, Texas Alamodome San Antonio, Texas
YES San Diego, Calif. Qualcomm Stadium San Diego, Calif.
YES San Fran/Oakland, Calif. Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum Oakland, Calif.
YES San Fran/Oakland, Calif. Stanford Stadium Palo Alto, Calif.
YES San Fran/Oakland, Calif. California Memorial Stadium Berkeley, Calif.
YES Seattle, Wash. Qwest Field Seattle, Wash.
YES Seattle, Wash. Husky Stadium Seattle, Wash.
NO South Bend, Ind. Notre Dame Stadium Notre Dame, Ind.
YES St. Louis, Mo. Edward Jones Dome St. Louis, Mo.
YES Tallahassee, Fla. Doak Campbell Stadium Tallahassee, Fla.
YES Tampa, Fla. Raymond James Stadium Tampa, Fla.
YES Washington, D.C. RFK Memorial Stadium Washington, D.C.
YES Washington, D.C. FedEx Field Landover, Md.
Addition to Original List of Candidates
YES Las Vegas, Nevada Sports City USA Las Vegas, Nev.

YES Salt Lake City, Utah Rice-Eccles Stadium Salt Lake City
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Old April 26th, 2009, 07:19 AM   #1078
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I think most of if not all the stadiums mentioned are stadiums that we said.
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Old April 26th, 2009, 11:08 AM   #1079
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Are there any pictures of that Vegas stadium? Sounds like one in the works.
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Are there any pictures of that Vegas stadium? Sounds like one in the works.
Nope. They haven't gotten that far yet. They're just discussing the possibility of building one so for the time being, they'd like to be in consideration for a World Cup game in case they go ahead with their maybe stadium.
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