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Old April 27th, 2009, 06:28 PM   #1081
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I've been trying to make a list of stadiums in case the USA host another World Cup. Although there is an abundance of big stadiums, the selection is not that easy:
- the pitch dimensions need to be big enough to host FIFA World Cup matches;
- a lot of college stadiums might not do the trick anymore 24-28 years after WC94, unless they get seriously renovated and bleachers are replaced with individual seats;
- do you spread out the tournament across the US? Most modern stadiums are concentrated in the east. During the group stage it would be best to have two or three stadiums relatively close to one another per group. This is not a problem in the north and northeast, but gets harder in the west and central US. On which criteria do you choose host cities? On the basis of the stadium itself, the geographic location, or the qualities of the city?

I had a look at the stadiums posted above and eliminated those with bleachers and the less good looking ones, as well as those with stands that are too shallow and far away from the action (I went for "compact" stadiums, with steeper stands).

A number of stadiums should definitely be in the bid imo:
- New Meadowlands Stadium, NY/NJ

- New Cowboys Stadium, Dallas TX

- Reliant Stadium, Houston TX

- QWest Field, Seattle WA

- Lucas Oil Stadium, Indianapolis IN

- Soldier Field, Chicago IL

- Invesco Field, Denver CO

- M&T Bank Stadium, Baltimore MD


Could also be part of the bid:
- University of Phoenix Stadium (Phoenix AZ)

- Gillette Stadium (Boston MA)

- Bank of America Stadium (Charlotte NC)

- FedEx Field (Landover MD) (not a huge fan, but it is still the biggest)

- Ohio: Cleveland Browns Stadium and/or Paul Brown Stadium

- City of Industry Football Stadium (otherwise not a single stadium in the Sunshine State)


If needed:
Municipal Stadium, Jacksonville, Florida (unsteep/far from pitch)

Lincoln Financial Field, Philadelphia


This way you already have 17 stadiums, quite a lot (although Japan and Soutk-Korea had 20), but you are still left with huge blind spots on the US map, especially on the West Coast and central US.

How could the stadiums listed above be used in the World Cup?
E.g.:
Group 1: plays in Gillette Stadium and Meadowlands
Group 2: FedEx and M&T Bank
Group 3: Soldier Field, Lucas Oil
Group 4: Cowboys, Reliant
...

And based purely on capacity:

Second Round: Seattle, Baltimore, Phoenix, Chicago, Boston, Cleveland/Charlotte...

Quarter Finals: Indianapolis, Denver, Houston, Charlotte/Cleveland/...

Semi Finals: Dallas, NY

Third Place: LA

Final: Washington (FedEx) (a bit sad to have this as the final stadium, even though it is the biggest)
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Old April 27th, 2009, 09:24 PM   #1082
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Keep in mind how far off 2018 or more likely, 2022 is. The Chargers are looking to get a new stadium in San Diego and both the Raiders and 49ers are looking to get one in San Francisco. One of those could get done and I expect LA to get a stadium, just not the one in Industry. That would leave the west with four possible hosts. I think if the US were to host a WC then they'd split the hosts into four groups of three so the west would have to choose three from LA, Seattle, Phoenix, San Francisco/San Diego.

You're missing Dolphins Stadium in Miami which IMO, would surely host. I also think that Lucas Oil wouldn't host, not because of the stadium, but because Indianapolis is the sexiest of cities (although I've been there and disagree). I think I've mentioned it elsewhere in this thread, but I'll throw my thoughts on how it would be hosted out there again:

West:

Proposed Los Angeles Stadium- I don't think this will be the stadium, but I believe LA will have one (and if the WC is given to the US, the Rose Bowl may be spurred to go forward with their proposed renovations)

Qwest Field, Seattle- The northwest was ignored in 1994, but not this time around with a stadium like Qwest.

Proposed San Francisco Stadium- Probably not this design, but I think they get one built by 2022. If not, San Diego may get theirs done and Phoenix is a fine choice as well.

Central/North

Soldier Field, Chicago- You're not going to leave Chicago out.

Ford Field, Detroit- They could lay down grass over the turf like they did at the Silverdome in 1994. Detroit gives the north representation.

The last spot in this pod could to a number of cities. If Kansas City widens Arrowhead they could host. If St. Louis has a new stadium I think they're a lock, but I don't think they get that stadium. The Ohio cities are a possibility, as is Indianapolis. I'd love to include Denver, but I think they're too isolated from this region.

South

Reliant Stadium, Houston- Great stadium, major city, done deal.

New Cowboys Stadium, Dallas- Ridiculous stadium, major city...ridiculous stadium

Dolphin Stadium, Miami- Florida needs representation, Miami is a sexy and fun city and it's a solid stadium

Northeast

New Meadowlands Stadium, New York/New Jersey- A brand new stadium in the country's biggest city

FedEx Field, Washington DC- The capital will not be ignored and FedEx holds over 90,000. The field would have to be widened or more likely, Dan Snyder has his new stadium by 2022.

Gillette Stadium, Boston- Philadelphia could host instead and frankly, I'd choose Philly, but I think Boston and Foxboro's soccer history wins out, as does Bob Kraft's power within the US soccer community.

Round of 16:
Los Angeles, Seattle, Houston, Miami, Detroit, other Central/North city, Washington DC, Boston

Quarterfinals:
San Francisco, Dallas, Chicago, Boston

Semifinals:
Los Angeles, Washington DC

Final:
New York

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Old April 28th, 2009, 09:47 AM   #1083
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From a city perspective I agree that you replace Charlotte, Cleveland and Cincinnati with San Francisco, Detroit and Miami. I didn't include them because of the stadiums: the Miami Dolphins stadium is a bit boring compared to many others, I'm not too fond of the Ford Field interior and finally didn't find a decent stadium in San Francisco (which, as you mentioned, could still be built). And whether you like the New Cowboys stadium or not, it's pretty unimaginable not to include it. You don't want to offend those Texans who think it is the greatest stadium in the world

I watched a documentary on Philadelphia yesterday and it somewhat changed my opinion of that city...

By the way, you can only have a World Cup in 2018 or 2022 if we (Belgium+Holland) get the other one
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Old April 28th, 2009, 06:16 PM   #1084
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I made some modifications on my choices.

Cities
New York
Los Angleles
Chicago
Miami (Orlando, Tampa Bay as alternate)
San Francisco
Philadelphia (St-Louis, Minneapolis, Charlotte as alternate)
Seattle
Phoenix
Boston
Houston
Dallas
Washington DC

Team USA matches: NY, LA, Washington DC

Round of 16: NY, SF, Chicago, Houston, LA, Philadelphia, Miami, Phoenix

Quarter-finals: Dallas, Boston, Seattle, Washington DC

Semi-finals: NY, LA

Third place game: Houston

Final: Washington DC
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Old April 29th, 2009, 11:17 AM   #1085
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I've posted this a couple of times but I'ma do it again lol


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Potential Bid from the USA (IMO)

-Assuming they'll use 12 cities, I'd break them up into 4 regions in order to limit traveling. Teams will stay in their regions for the group stage and possibly the 2nd round.

West:

Seattle- Qwest Field (67,000)


San Francisco/San Diego- New 49ers/Chargers stadium, whichever gets build first (about 70,000)
or

Los Angeles- Rose Bowl (92,000)


Midwest:

Phoenix- Cardinals Stadium (63,000)


Denver- Invesco Field (76,000)


Chicago- Soldier Field (61,500)
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South:
Houston- Reliant Stadium (71,500)


Dallas- JerryWorld (80,000-100,000)


Miami- Dolphin Stadium (75,000)


East:

DC- Fedex Field or New Redskins Stadium (91,000)


New York City- New Giants Stadium (82,500)


Boston- Gillette Stadium (69,000)
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Average World Cup 2022 Capacity- 75,000
West: Groups A and B
Midwest: Groups C and D
South: Groups E and F
East: Groups G and H

The midwest group is probably the most challenging one to get right.
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Old April 29th, 2009, 11:29 AM   #1086
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Miami naturally has to be there. Sure, it's in the summer, but there's no better event city in the US than Miami.
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Old April 29th, 2009, 08:12 PM   #1087
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Inspirating from the 2006 World cup in Germany, I made a projection about the matches in the cities in the first round.

Groups A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H

Boston: C1-C2, D1-D3, A2-A3, G2-G3
Chicago: A3-A4, G3-G4, F4-F2, C4-C1
Dallas: B1-B2, H1-H2, G4-G2, F2-F3
Houston: D3-D4, C1-C3, B4-B1, H4-H1
Los Angeles: F1-F2, A1-A3, E4-E2, H2-H3
Miami: C3-C4, B1-B3, H4-H2, D4-D1
New York: A1-A2, G1-G2, H1-H3, F4-F1
Philadelphia: E3-E4, D4-D2, C2-C4, G4-G1
Phoenix: F3-F4, A4-A2, E1-E3, D2-D3
San Francisco: B3-B4, H3-H4, G1-G3, E2-H3
Seattle: D1-D2, C4-C2, B2-B3, E4-E1
Washington DC: E1-E2, B4-B2, F1-F3, A4-A1
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Old April 29th, 2009, 10:32 PM   #1088
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Inspirating from the 2006 World cup in Germany, I made a projection about the matches in the cities in the first round.

Groups A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H

Boston: C1-C2, D1-D3, A2-A3, G2-G3
Chicago: A3-A4, G3-G4, F4-F2, C4-C1
Dallas: B1-B2, H1-H2, G4-G2, F2-F3
Houston: D3-D4, C1-C3, B4-B1, H4-H1
Los Angeles: F1-F2, A1-A3, E4-E2, H2-H3
Miami: C3-C4, B1-B3, H4-H2, D4-D1
New York: A1-A2, G1-G2, H1-H3, F4-F1
Philadelphia: E3-E4, D4-D2, C2-C4, G4-G1
Phoenix: F3-F4, A4-A2, E1-E3, D2-D3
San Francisco: B3-B4, H3-H4, G1-G3, E2-H3
Seattle: D1-D2, C4-C2, B2-B3, E4-E1
Washington DC: E1-E2, B4-B2, F1-F3, A4-A1
That would be awfully rough for some teams. A1 would go from New York to LA to Washington DC. A lot of teams would be criss-crossing the country. This is a good example though of why a US WC would have to be different than other WC's and using a pod system is one of those differences.
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Old April 30th, 2009, 12:49 AM   #1089
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Inspirating from the 2006 World cup in Germany, I made a projection about the matches in the cities in the first round.
As it has already been mentioned, travel distances is a main issue for an American bid. It is therefore not a good idea to copy the schedule pattern of the 2006 World Cup.
Forming clusters of cities is a better way. That works for the first two rounds. It more difficult to provide even condition from the quaterfinal on though. And playing the semifinals on different coasts seems pre-deciding to me. I'd prefer Arlington and Chicago with a final on the east coast.
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Old April 30th, 2009, 08:06 PM   #1090
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After reading your opinions, i made modifications for a projected schedule.

two clusters for the two firts games, then alternance in third games.
East cluster: A,C,E,G
Wesr cluster: B,D,F,H

Boston: C3-C4, A1-A3, E1-E3, D4-D1
Chicago: E3-E4, C4-C2, B4-B1, H4-H1
Dallas: B1-B2, H1-H2, F1-F3, A2-A3
Houston: D1-D2, B1-B3, H4-H2, E4-E1
Los Angeles: F1-F2, D4-D2, C2-C3, G2-G3
Miami: A3-A4, G1-G2, E4-E2, D2-D3
New York: A1-A2, C1-C3, G4-G2, F4-F1
Philadelphia: C1-C2, G3-G4, A4-A2, F2-F3
Phoenix: F3-F4, B4-B2, H1-H3, C4-C1
San Francisco: B3-B4, D1-D3, F4-F2, G4-G1
Seattle: D3-D4, H3-H4, A4-A1, E2-E3
Washington DC: E1-E2, G1-G3, B2-B3, H2-H3
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Old April 30th, 2009, 10:57 PM   #1091
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After reading your opinions, i made modifications for a projected schedule.

two clusters for the two firts games, then alternance in third games.
East cluster: A,C,E,G
Wesr cluster: B,D,F,H

Boston: C3-C4, A1-A3, E1-E3, D4-D1
Chicago: E3-E4, C4-C2, B4-B1, H4-H1
Dallas: B1-B2, H1-H2, F1-F3, A2-A3
Houston: D1-D2, B1-B3, H4-H2, E4-E1
Los Angeles: F1-F2, D4-D2, C2-C3, G2-G3
Miami: A3-A4, G1-G2, E4-E2, D2-D3
New York: A1-A2, C1-C3, G4-G2, F4-F1
Philadelphia: C1-C2, G3-G4, A4-A2, F2-F3
Phoenix: F3-F4, B4-B2, H1-H3, C4-C1
San Francisco: B3-B4, D1-D3, F4-F2, G4-G1
Seattle: D3-D4, H3-H4, A4-A1, E2-E3
Washington DC: E1-E2, G1-G3, B2-B3, H2-H3
I'd be surprised if they didn't have more than two clusters. I think it will be four, but three minimum.
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TV reports are saying that the 49ers and the city of Santa Clara are expected to finalize financing on a 68,500 seat, $900+ million stadium for the football team. That would give the Bay Area the necessary stadium for a World Cup that they currently lack.
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Old May 21st, 2009, 02:34 AM   #1093
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TV reports are saying that the 49ers and the city of Santa Clara are expected to finalize financing on a 68,500 seat, $900+ million stadium for the football team. That would give the Bay Area the necessary stadium for a World Cup that they currently lack.
They're finalizing a deal to propose in a vote that will most certainly fail. They want the city to pay $90M from the general fund, $62M to relocate a power station and $330M from the city's stadium authority.
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hah good luck with that..
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Old May 21st, 2009, 12:22 PM   #1095
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here's the article by the way

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...MNC917A01A.DTL
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Old May 21st, 2009, 08:41 PM   #1096
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I'm still amazed the NFL doesn't have a deeper wallet for their own stadium fund. Or, perhaps more correctly, I'm amazed local politicians haven't grown wiser and forced the NFL to deepen their wallet for a league stadium fund. This is probably one area whereby they appreciate the player's union: By keeping wages at a relatively high share of league revenues there's less for the league to put into infrastructure support.

I'm not against public supported funding but only at appropriate levels. The league gets about $3.6B per year from TV rights alone. Surely they can dedicate $100M per year towards a stadium fund and stop bilking the tax payers, but why turn away easy money.
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Old May 21st, 2009, 08:49 PM   #1097
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Miami naturally has to be there. Sure, it's in the summer, but there's no better event city in the US than Miami.
I'm wondering if Miami's involvement is dependent on another Florida city also making the cut. Much like Dallas/Houston, the sheer distance from the bulk of other venues can be compensated for via at least one other stadium at hand, so the fans and teams in that region might only have 1 long trip. To this end they'd be much better served if the Citrus Bowl renovations could be approved (The I'm still concerned about the costs), and I was under the impression Tampa's RJ stadium isn't fitted to accommodate FIFA field regulations. Failing that, it's going to seem a tougher sell adding Miami when the next closest venue would likely be either DC or Houston! Which is a shame because I think with the makeover in progress Dolphins Stadium would be very nice for soccer.

Ya know, provided there's an actual crowd.
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Old May 22nd, 2009, 07:36 PM   #1098
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Tampa is FIFA ok. The US played a FIFA game there recently and it worked out well.
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Boston and Seattle are locks because they are both MLS venues.
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