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Old July 22nd, 2009, 05:55 AM   #1341
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Even in Concacaf, France is competing !!
AHHH worldwide France

So can we have 2 or 3 France in the world cup ????
They can't qualify, they're only CONCACAF members.

Though France could be champions of four confederations at once: UEFA, CONCACAF (Guadeloupe, Martinique or French Guiana), CAF (Reunion), and OFC (New Caledonia)
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Old July 24th, 2009, 04:59 PM   #1342
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Though most expect US to have better shot at 2022 World Cup, bid committee not ruling 2018 out
23 July 2009

CHICAGO (AP) - The United States isn't conceding the 2018 World Cup to Europe.

Despite the likelihood that FIFA will favor going back to Europe for that tournament, the head of the U.S. bid committee said Thursday it hasn't given up hope of hosting in 2018. The United States is one of 11 countries that has formally declared its desire to host the World Cup in either 2018 or 2022; Netherlands-Belgium and Portugal-Spain have submitted joint bids.

The World Cup will be in South Africa in 2010 and Brazil in 2014, the first time it's left Europe for consecutive tournaments. FIFA president Sepp Blatter has already said there is a "general understanding" that Europe will play host in 2018, making 2022 a more realistic option for the United States.

"It may turn out to be that way," said David Downs, executive director of USA Bid Committee Inc. "If that would be the case, it would not bother us. But we're not giving up on 2018 by any stretch."

FIFA's executive committee will decide on both bids in December 2010. Eight of the 23 executive committee members are from Europe.

The United States has only hosted one World Cup, and the 1994 event drew a record 3.59 million fans. The 2018 or 2022 World Cup would be an even bigger success, Downs predicted, estimating ticket sales could easily reach 5 million. Though soccer is far more popular in the United States than it was in 1994, there is still plenty of room for growth, Downs said.

"If hosting the World Cup would enfranchise more generations, that would impact the entire sport for years to come," Downs said.

Though the quality of play has improved in Major League Soccer, which started play in 1996, it still has a long way to go to rival top European leagues. And Blatter maintains the league needs to switch to a traditional soccer schedule that starts in August and ends in the spring, rather than its current format of starting in the spring and ending in the fall.

While Downs said he's "very proud" of the strides MLS has made, he knows the bid committee will have to find a way to let FIFA members know MLS is only a small portion of U.S. soccer culture. There are people who don't have interest in going to an MLS game, but play on the weekends, follow the English Premier League or come out for a U.S. national team game.

"People care here, in enormous numbers," he said.

Downs has been visiting possible sites for a U.S. World Cup during the CONCACAF Gold Cup. The three-week tournament used 13 sites throughout the country, including the new Dallas Cowboys Stadium. The U.S. bid will include 18 stadiums, and Downs expects there would be 12 to 14 sites for an American World Cup.

Though the Los Angeles and San Francisco areas have some of the older stadiums under consideration, Downs said he can't imagine a U.S. bid without games in California. There has been talk of new arenas in both cities, and Downs said the bid committee will make clear to FIFA that changes could be made as stadiums are built or updated.

While some have questioned why FIFA is picking the 2018 and 2022 cities at the same time, Downs said he has no problem with it.

In fact, he's glad the United States is getting two shots.

"Given the amount of effort we have to put in for this bid, to know if we didn't get 2018 that we have a fighting chance for 2022 is extremely comforting," Downs said. "It would be heartbreaking to not get 2018 and be told, `Go away, don't come back for 20 years.'"
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Old July 24th, 2009, 11:06 PM   #1343
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I made a choice for us cities and stadiums for a 2022 world cup. Take a look.

New York: New Meadowlands Stadium (82,000 places)
Boston: Gilette stadium (68,756 places)
Philadelphia: Lincoln Financial Field (68,532 places)
Washington DC: Fedex Field or new stadium (90,000 or 100,000 places)
Miami: Landshark Stadium (75,540 places)
Chicago: Soldier Field (61,500 places)
Dallas: Cowboys Stadium (80,000 places)
Houston: Reliant Stadium (71,500 places)
Phoenix: University of Phoenix Stadium (63,400 places)
San Francisco: New Santa Clara Stadium (75,000 places)
Seattle: Qwest Field (67,000 places)
Los Angeles: Rose Bowl (92,542 places)

The public attendance will be higher than in 1994 because of more stadiums and larger stadiums.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_FIFA_World_Cup
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Old July 25th, 2009, 07:35 AM   #1344
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Hopefully he says...

Of course you yanks will qualify, what's so hard about qualifying in a confederation that has what, like 3.5 spots? Mexico the shoe in, then you guys, then some other team, then half a spot for the lucky last team if they make it. :P

Well they've been to all WC's since 1990, so expect them to be in 2010 due to the spot allocation system. Don't expect much from them once qualified of course! :P
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Old July 25th, 2009, 08:26 AM   #1345
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They can't qualify, they're only CONCACAF members.



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Though France could be champions of four confederations at once: UEFA, CONCACAF (Guadeloupe, Martinique or French Guiana), CAF (Reunion), and OFC (New Caledonia)
I Love the idea .. (UEFA: We Did It !!.... Twice.......CONCACAF... CAF...&..OFC : )
Even if it will never happen !!
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Old July 25th, 2009, 09:00 AM   #1346
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Though the quality of play has improved in Major League Soccer, which started play in 1996, it still has a long way to go to rival top European leagues. And Blatter maintains the league needs to switch to a traditional soccer schedule that starts in August and ends in the spring, rather than its current format of starting in the spring and ending in the fall.
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He wants to improve MLS attendance by trying in November and February to get people off their fannies in NYC, Chicago, Boston, Columbus to go see soccer? He obviously also doesn't realize how much gridiron dominates the American landscape on weekends from Sep.-Feb.

Not sure the method to the madness of having the sport largely played in the colder in traditional soccer nations but even if U.S. soccer is somehow in the wrong for not subscribing to the traditional scheduling it is likely the only one that will work for U.S. soccer and American's calendar.
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Old July 25th, 2009, 09:19 AM   #1347
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I like Soccer in the USA in the summer. Gives Baseball some competition. And to have it in the fall/ winter in the US is like committing Suicide. The NFL plays then and i dont think MLS fans are dedicated enough to go to a soccer game in below freezing conditions. This also allows us US soccer fans to focus on Euro soccer after our leagues end.
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Old July 25th, 2009, 09:40 AM   #1348
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I made a choice for us cities and stadiums for a 2022 world cup. Take a look.

New York: New Meadowlands Stadium (82,000 places)
Boston: Gilette stadium (68,756 places)
Philadelphia: Lincoln Financial Field (68,532 places)
Washington DC: Fedex Field or new stadium (90,000 or 100,000 places)
Miami: Landshark Stadium (75,540 places)
Chicago: Soldier Field (61,500 places)
Dallas: Cowboys Stadium (80,000 places)
Houston: Reliant Stadium (71,500 places)
Phoenix: University of Phoenix Stadium (63,400 places)
San Francisco: New Santa Clara Stadium (75,000 places)
Seattle: Qwest Field (67,000 places)
Los Angeles: Rose Bowl (92,542 places)

The public attendance will be higher than in 1994 because of more stadiums and larger stadiums.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_FIFA_World_Cup
Switch Philly with Denver and I agree. Philly is just too close to BosNYWash
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Old July 26th, 2009, 03:24 AM   #1349
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Scrap San Francisco, Phoenix and Miami. Reward MLS markets. We're the ones who support soccer, not tourists. [/high][/mighty]
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Old July 26th, 2009, 03:35 AM   #1350
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Scrap San Francisco, Phoenix and Miami. Reward MLS markets. We're the ones who support soccer, not tourists. [/high][/mighty]
Miami has a soccer team, too.
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Old July 26th, 2009, 04:29 AM   #1351
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Miami has a soccer team, too.
They have a USL franchise but it lags in comparison to many others. I've seen quality play and fandom at that level, but not from Miami (sadly). This is why current MLS fans are rooting for cities like Portland and Montreal to make the jump, instead.
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Old July 26th, 2009, 12:32 PM   #1352
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Scrap San Francisco, Phoenix and Miami. Reward MLS markets. We're the ones who support soccer, not tourists. [/high][/mighty]
All MLS cities were included, except Salt Lake City, Columbus and Kansas. And you don't want to bring the world cup to those cities I think...
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Old July 26th, 2009, 05:47 PM   #1353
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The main problem for the stadiums is the pitch width. FIFA Soccer is 105 metres x 68 metres. NFL stadium are too narrow...
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Old July 27th, 2009, 02:33 AM   #1354
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Scrap San Francisco, Phoenix and Miami. Reward MLS markets. We're the ones who support soccer, not tourists. [/high][/mighty]
So you dont wanna see World Cup games played in Land Shark Stadium or UofP Stadium?

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The main problem for the stadiums is the pitch width. FIFA Soccer is 105 metres x 68 metres. NFL stadium are too narrow...
FIFA has made an exception for the USA before.
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Old July 27th, 2009, 02:55 AM   #1355
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So you dont wanna see World Cup games played in Land Shark Stadium or UofP Stadium?
Not really. They have no connection to the sport. There isn't any special aura about them or any NFL stadium hosting soccer.
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Old July 27th, 2009, 04:30 AM   #1356
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Not really. They have no connection to the sport. There isn't any special aura about them or any NFL stadium hosting soccer.
You seem to have an agenda. Why dont you please stop trolling.
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Old July 27th, 2009, 04:57 AM   #1357
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You seem to have an agenda. Why dont you please stop trolling.
I'm trolling because we find ourselves at odds?
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Old July 27th, 2009, 07:55 AM   #1358
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Not really. They have no connection to the sport. There isn't any special aura about them or any NFL stadium hosting soccer.
So you want to see the World Cup played in stadiums that sit 30000 and less in the USA? You want to exclude Miami (one of the countries largest cities) and Phoenix (just a good all around stadium) just because they have no ties to the MLS? What about the USL1 and 2? Those fan bases are stronger then most MLS teams (Why do you think Seattle is doing so well in their first MLS season?)

NFL stadiums have to host the games because they are the only stadiums in the USA that are big enough to host the games properly.
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Old July 27th, 2009, 08:08 AM   #1359
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So you want to see the World Cup played in stadiums that sit 30000 and less in the USA? You want to exclude Miami (one of the countries largest cities) and Phoenix (just a good all around stadium) just because they have no ties to the MLS? What about the USL1 and 2? Those fan bases are stronger then most MLS teams (Why do you think Seattle is doing so well in their first MLS season?)

NFL stadiums have to host the games because they are the only stadiums in the USA that are big enough to host the games properly.
Firstly, my original suggestion was largely tongue-in-cheek. I know NFL stadia have to be used, but I don't like how disconnected some superstar event is from the everyday American soccer experience. People speak of England deserving the WC because of the constant passion for the game, not because they have big stadia and a bunch of tourist attractions.

But seriously, Seattle had relatively weak USL support just like Toronto before it. MLS fanfare is totally unrelated. Miami hasn't been very impressive at either level, but I hope maybe they get a chance to prove it again. I'm not against that city or anything.
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Old July 27th, 2009, 01:33 PM   #1360
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Its all hypothetical at this stage (England will land 2018 and Australia 2022) but you'd have to use stadia in large hispanic (read: soccer crazy) markets like Florida, Texas, Arizona and California but still be widespread enough to cover as much of the country as you can so you could only use one of Dallas and Houston and one of LA and San Francisco, so this is how I would do it in a 12 city USA WC:
Miami - Landshark Stadium
Dallas - Cowboys Stadium (Yes, I know its in Arlington, not Dallas)
Phoenix - UofP Stadium (Glendale)
Los Angeles - City of Industry Stadium
Chicago - Soldier Field
Detroit - Ford Field
New York - Meadowlands Stadium (Yes, I know, New Jersey)
Boston - Gillette Stadium (Foxboro)
Washington - FedExField
Atlanta - Georgia Dome
Indianapolis - Lucas Oil Stadium
Seattle - Seahawks Stadium
Its really hard to just pick 12, unless you go the 2002 option and use 20 stadia.
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