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Old July 27th, 2009, 03:32 PM   #1361
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I am going to replace Philly by
Denver: INVESCO Field (76,125 places)

I am impatient to know the 20 stadiums which will be selected on august.
Denver could be a good choice because of touristic attractions, beautiful landscape, soccer culture (hispanics and MLS team) and airpoirt.
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Old July 27th, 2009, 04:26 PM   #1362
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I'm sorry but I really think it is shocking that the USA is even allowed to bid so soon after hosting it. If they get 2018, then its the equivalent of France getting 2022 and S. Korea / Japan getting 2026.

I'm sure many will disagree with me and by all means try to convince me because perhaps I don't know the full story etc.
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Old July 27th, 2009, 08:08 PM   #1363
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I'm sorry but I really think it is shocking that the USA is even allowed to bid so soon after hosting it. If they get 2018, then its the equivalent of France getting 2022 and S. Korea / Japan getting 2026.

I'm sure many will disagree with me and by all means try to convince me because perhaps I don't know the full story etc.
Oh no! That would be like Mexico getting 1970 and 1986! I know that was due to backup contingency, but still. Is it really a huge crime? The 1994 tournament was before we even had a top domestic competition. It's ancient history.
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Old July 27th, 2009, 08:15 PM   #1364
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I'm sorry but I really think it is shocking that the USA is even allowed to bid so soon after hosting it. If they get 2018, then its the equivalent of France getting 2022 and S. Korea / Japan getting 2026.

I'm sure many will disagree with me and by all means try to convince me because perhaps I don't know the full story etc.
Perhaps not shocking, but I agree. England should get 2018, and the USA and Oz '22 or '26.
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Old July 27th, 2009, 08:17 PM   #1365
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Oh no! That would be like Mexico getting 1970 and 1986! I know that was due to backup contingency, but still. Is it really a huge crime? The 1994 tournament was before we even had a top domestic competition. It's ancient history.
Well, it wouldn't be had the birthplace of modern football not hosted for what will have been a half-century.
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Old July 27th, 2009, 08:25 PM   #1366
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Oh no! That would be like Mexico getting 1970 and 1986! I know that was due to backup contingency, but still. Is it really a huge crime?
Yes. I don't think that was a good idea either.

England 2018 then Oz 2022. 2026 to USA or someone else. I'd say once every 30 years as a very minimum and no more than twice in 60/70 years (unless literally no-one else can or wants to do it).
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Old July 27th, 2009, 08:31 PM   #1367
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Yes. I don't think that was a good idea either.

England 2018 then Oz 2022. 2026 to USA or someone else. I'd say once every 30 years as a very minimum and no more than twice in 60/70 years (unless literally no-one else can or wants to do it).
Australia doesn't even have enough cities to host, let alone stadia.
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Old July 27th, 2009, 08:39 PM   #1368
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Australia doesn't even have enough cities to host, let alone stadia.
Well if they want to host it in 2022 then FIFA will tell them to get on with implementing plans.
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Old July 28th, 2009, 12:14 AM   #1369
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Well if they want to host it in 2022 then FIFA will tell them to get on with implementing plans.
Oz's big problem is that they have many first-class stadiums, but about half of them are ovals, because in certain states football codes played on rectangular pitches are not nearly as popular as Aussie Rules.
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Old July 28th, 2009, 01:41 AM   #1370
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I'm sorry but I really think it is shocking that the USA is even allowed to bid so soon after hosting it. If they get 2018, then its the equivalent of France getting 2022 and S. Korea / Japan getting 2026.

I'm sure many will disagree with me and by all means try to convince me because perhaps I don't know the full story etc.
I actually agree with you but we both know that FIFA makes decisions based on things other than what's right for the game.
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Old July 28th, 2009, 01:47 AM   #1371
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Semi-finals: NY, LA
3rd match game: Dallas
Final: Washington DC

Bid stadiums.
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Old July 28th, 2009, 01:49 AM   #1372
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I'm sorry but I really think it is shocking that the USA is even allowed to bid so soon after hosting it. If they get 2018, then its the equivalent of France getting 2022 and S. Korea / Japan getting 2026.

I'm sure many will disagree with me and by all means try to convince me because perhaps I don't know the full story etc.
Japan and Korea are also bidding
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Old July 28th, 2009, 02:28 AM   #1373
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Australia doesn't even have enough cities to host, let alone stadia.
You Obviously dont know much about Australia.
We have plenty of citys and stadium.

Stadium which already exist: MCG (100,000), ANZ stadium (83,000), Etihad stadium (56,000), Suncorp stadium (52,500), AAMI Stadium (51,000), SFS (45,500), SCG (44,000), Gabba (42,000), Newcastle stadium (45,000 by WC)

Stadiums Being Built planned: Melbourne Rectangular stadium (Upgraded to 50,000), New Canberra Stadium (45,000), new Adelaide stadium (45,000), Upgraded townsville stadium, New Tasmania Stadium and new Darwin stadium.

the world cup is still a long time away so we have a lot of time to plan.

to be honest I would be very dissapointed if the USA win any of the world cups you have only recently had one which was a failure. football still does not have a big following there. I would like to see one in europe (Probably England) and one somewhere else (Preferably Australia)
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Old July 28th, 2009, 02:59 AM   #1374
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Japan and Korea are also bidding
There has only been 1 world cup since when they hosted it!
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Old July 28th, 2009, 03:31 AM   #1375
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Australia doesn't even have enough cities to host, let alone stadia.
10 stadiums are enough for hosting (and two cities are allowed to host in two stadiums), so :

Melbourne, Melbourne Cricket Ground : 100,000
Sydney, ANZ Stadium : 83,500
Melbourne, Etihad Dome : 56,347
Brisbane, Suncorp Stadium : 53,223
Adelaide, AAMI Stadium : 51,515
Perth, Subiaco Oval : 42,922
Sydney, Aussie Stadium : 41,159
Canberra, Canberra Stadium : 25,011 (needs to be expanded to at least 30K)
Newcaslte, Energy Australia Stadium : 26,126 (needs to be expanded to at least 30K)

Voilą !

Only one is missing in my list but it can be built in Townsville, Hobart or Gold Coast, before 2018 or 2022.....
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Old July 28th, 2009, 03:58 AM   #1376
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Sorry, but you have ovals in there. They are terrible for rectangular configurations. FIFA would not be impressed. Also, those capacities are not all that impressive, especially when you have to dip into regional centers like Newcastle. No knock on the Aussies or their soccer, but current requirements preclude them. I personally think they should ease up on the rule about having only one city with multiple stadia.
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Old July 28th, 2009, 04:40 AM   #1377
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Maybe, but about the capacities, remember France 98.
Only USA can host in twelve 70K or 80K...Should you host it permanently ??

About the oval, of course it's not the best configuration, but it's not worst than athletics stadiums (remember WC 1990, 2002 & 2006), or stadiums like Rose Bowl, IMO.

I don't know Australia very well, but I'm sure they can host brilliantly a WC.
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Old July 28th, 2009, 05:21 AM   #1378
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I hope you dont mind parc, I took the liberty of changing the post to fit what is the more likely bid proposal.

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10 stadiums are enough for hosting (and two cities are allowed to host in two stadiums), so :

1) Melbourne, Melbourne Cricket Ground : 100,000 OVAL
2) Sydney, ANZ Stadium : 83,500 ATHLETICS WITH MOVABLE LOWER TIER
Melbourne, Etihad Dome : 56,347, Not used
3) Brisbane, Suncorp Stadium : 53,223 RECTANGULAR
Adelaide, AAMI Stadium : 51,515, Not used
Perth, Subiaco Oval : 42,922, Not used
4) Sydney, Aussie Stadium : 41,159 RECTANGULAR
Canberra, Canberra Stadium : 25,011 (needs to be expanded to at least 30K), Not used
5) Newcaslte, Energy Australia Stadium : 26,126 RECTANGULAR (Currently expanding to 33,000, with designs to expand to 40K+ for world cup)

6) Canberra, New Canberra football and rugby stadium, 45,000, RECTANGULAR
7) Townsville, New football and rugby stadium, 45,000, RECTANGULAR
8) Melbourne, Melbourne rectangular stadium, 50K plus, RECTANGULAR
9) Gold Coast, Skilled Park, 40,000 Upgraded, RECTANGULAR

The next two are more complicated

10) Adelaide, Either an upgraded Adelaide Oval - OVAL 45,000
or the same 45,000 RECTANGULAR stadium as in Canberra and Townsville
11) Perth, 60,000 multi purpose stadium with movable lower tiers
or a 45,000 RECTANGULAR stadium

Voilą !

Only one is missing in my list but it can be built in Townsville, Hobart or Gold Coast, before 2018 or 2022.....
At worst, thats two oval stadiums, and two stadium with movable tiers (similar to stade de France). A better ration than for Korea Japan.
At best thats 9 rectangular stadiums, one oval and one athletics with movable lower tier. Better ration than Germany.

The FFA is talking about a 12 stadium bid. I dont know where that other stadium would come from TBH. Really it could be either rectangular or oval, though Im guessing it would be one of the rectangular stadiums which have been proposed, some of which would have temporary seating.
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Old July 28th, 2009, 05:25 AM   #1379
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Maybe, but about the capacities, remember France 98.
Only USA can host in twelve 70K or 80K...Should you host it permanently ??

About the oval, of course it's not the best configuration, but it's not worst than athletics stadiums (remember WC 1990, 2002 & 2006), or stadiums like Rose Bowl, IMO.

I don't know Australia very well, but I'm sure they can host brilliantly a WC.
What are the distances from the stands to the field in a oval stadiums as opposed to an athletics stadium? Does anyone know?

What's wrong with the Rose Bowl? Why are you putting that in with athletics stadiums and oval stadiums?
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Old July 28th, 2009, 05:30 AM   #1380
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What are the distances from the stands to the field in a oval stadiums as opposed to an athletics stadium? Does anyone know?
Not specific, but for reference, here's Subi oval in rectangular setup for the Force:
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