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Old August 13th, 2009, 06:09 AM   #1521
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Old August 20th, 2009, 06:40 PM   #1522
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Average capacity of the remaining venues is 74,000.
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Old August 20th, 2009, 08:22 PM   #1523
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Remaining cities and stadiums
Blue are the stadiums i think will be used.

Atlanta / Georgia Dome / 71,250

Baltimore / M & T Bank Stadium / 71,008

Boston / Gillette Stadium / 71,693

Charlotte / Bank of America Stadium / 73,778

Chicago / Soldier Field / 61,000

Cleveland / Cleveland Browns Stadium / 72,000

Dallas / Cotton Bowl / 89,000

Dallas / Cowboys Stadium / 100,000

Denver / INVESCO Field / 76,125

Detroit / Ford Field / 67,188

Detroit / Michigan Stadium / 108,000

Houston / Reliant Stadium / 71,500

Indianapolis / Lucas Oil Stadium / 64,200

Jacksonville, Fla. / Jacksonville Municipal Stadium / 82,000

Kansas City / Arrowhead Stadium / 77,000

Los Angeles / Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum / 93,607

Los Angeles / Rose Bowl / 92,000+

Miami / Land Shark Stadium / 75,540

Nashville / LP Field / 69,143

New York/N.J. / New Meadowlands Stadium / 82,000

Oakland / Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum / 63,026

Orlando / Florida Citrus Bowl / 65,616

Philadelphia / Lincoln Financial Field / 67,594

Phoenix/Glendale / University of Phoenix Stadium / 71,000

San Diego / Qualcomm Stadium / 70,500

San Francisco / Stanford Stadium / 50,500

Seattle / Qwest Field / 67,000

Seattle / Husky Stadium / 72,500

St. Louis / Edward Jones Dome / 67,268

Tampa / Raymond James Stadium / 65,856

Washington, D.C. / RFK Stadium / 45,600

Washington, D.C. / FedExField / 91,704

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Old August 20th, 2009, 08:38 PM   #1524
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Wow, Cincy, Minny, and Pittsburgh removed this early in the process. That is a bit of a surprise given their medium size and quality stadiums.
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Old August 20th, 2009, 10:33 PM   #1525
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The 12 stadiums I would like to see...

(Color coded for fun)

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Atlanta / Georgia Dome / 71,250

Baltimore / M & T Bank Stadium / 71,008

Boston / Gillette Stadium / 71,693

Charlotte / Bank of America Stadium / 73,778

Chicago / Soldier Field / 61,000

Cleveland / Cleveland Browns Stadium / 72,000

Dallas / Cotton Bowl / 89,000

Dallas / Cowboys Stadium / 100,000

Denver / INVESCO Field / 76,125


Detroit / Ford Field / 67,188

Detroit / Michigan Stadium / 108,000

Houston / Reliant Stadium / 71,500

Indianapolis / Lucas Oil Stadium / 64,200

Jacksonville, Fla. / Jacksonville Municipal Stadium / 82,000

Kansas City / Arrowhead Stadium / 77,000


Los Angeles / Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum / 93,607

Los Angeles / Rose Bowl / 92,000+


Miami / Land Shark Stadium / 75,540

Nashville / LP Field / 69,143

New York/N.J. / New Meadowlands Stadium / 82,000

Oakland / Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum / 63,026

Orlando / Florida Citrus Bowl / 65,616

Philadelphia / Lincoln Financial Field / 67,594

Phoenix/Glendale / University of Phoenix Stadium / 71,000

San Diego / Qualcomm Stadium / 70,500

San Francisco / Stanford Stadium / 50,500

Seattle / Qwest Field / 67,000

Seattle / Husky Stadium / 72,500

St. Louis / Edward Jones Dome / 67,268

Tampa / Raymond James Stadium / 65,856

Washington, D.C. / RFK Stadium / 45,600

Washington, D.C. / FedExField / 91,704


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These are just the ones I would like to see, not necessarily the ones i think will be chosen.

Stadiums that need to be taken off

Oakland Coliseum: That place is so far from being a suitable venue. Gross.

Stanford Stadium: Nice, but too small. We can do better. I know that takes away the Bay Area, but maybe they should get their act together and work out deal for a new 49ers stadium so there wont be a problem.

Husky Stadium: Why is this here when Pittsburgh could be? Neither has a shot, but still...?

Citrus Bowl: In terrible shape, better venues in Tampa/Miami. What, because of Disneyworld? Come on.

RFK: Epitome of a dump. Shouldnt be on the list. In fact, wont even exist in 2018/2022 (most likely).

Michigan Stadium: The field is WAY too small isnt it? I dont know how easy it would be to remove rows, seeing as the whole thing is built into a hill.
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Old August 20th, 2009, 10:53 PM   #1526
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Same way they made the Silverdome big enough, raise the field. But it's not hosting anyway because it has bench seats in addition to the mini-field.

The Georgia Dome's field is also too small.

I have no idea how Husky Stadium got on there.
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Old August 20th, 2009, 11:56 PM   #1527
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I dont think they would still be in consideration if the filed is "To small"
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Old August 21st, 2009, 12:00 AM   #1528
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I dont think they would still be in consideration if the filed is "To small"
They're still in consideration even though the field is too small because they've proposed renovations that would widen the playing surface and make it World Cup acceptable.
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Old August 21st, 2009, 04:27 AM   #1529
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At least now we have a clearer picture of what they're trying to do with the pared down list of stadia. Size is still a factor but it shouldn't be the only measure. It comes down to location, location, location.

With such a luxury of available stadia, I would prefer that they take some risks. I think Baltimore should be seriously considered for a spot in the final list. What they could do is do a combination of Balt/Wash and split some matches between them. Spruce up RFK to bring it up to code, if necessary. FedEx's field is too narrow and I don't think the owner is going to spend $$$ to widen it just for a bunch of matches. And talk of a stadium at the RFK grounds is just speculation. I would not take it into consideration. Assuming that RFK hasn't fallen down by then, the organizing committee should spend $$$ to fix up the seating areas and improve air circulation at the concourses. That can get them a few group stage matches. The bigger matches and a QF game can go to Baltimore, to fit in the larger crowds.

If they want a 2nd Midwest venue (to go with Chicago) I think Cleveland presents a more interesting possibility than either Detroit or St. Louis. I think they would like to see some matches staged in Ohio, to pull in crowds from that state as well as western Pennsylvania and Michigan. St Louis can work out but I don't know if another stadium with a fixed roof would be acceptable there, Detroit or Atlanta. Cleveland is still close enough to Canada (if they qualify by then) that it wouldn't be too difficult for Canadian fans to get there. I would have liked to see Minneapolis but I can understand they don't think the stadium situation there would work out, so I can't complain too much.

I'll get stick for this but I have my doubts about 2 venues in Texas. California I can understand, as they have many more people. The only question is Stanford Stadium. It's not a supersized venue but it is decently sized and shouldn't be grounds for disqualification. I agree that Oakland should be left out of any serious discussion. The 49ers stadium, I'm afraid, will not be approved or be so delayed that it becomes a non-issue. Los Angeles should either spruce up Rose Bowl or the Coliseum but it is hard to argue against including them in the final list. San Diego can be a back-up city, depending on how the stadium situation there works out.

Miami over Orlando I can agree with. Many visitors would prefer South Beach over Disneyworld, I would think.

Anyway, here's what I think they should go with:


Baltimore / M & T Bank Stadium / 71,008

Boston / Gillette Stadium / 71,693

Chicago / Soldier Field / 61,000

Cleveland / Cleveland Browns Stadium / 72,000

Denver / INVESCO Field / 76,125


Houston / Reliant Stadium / 71,500

Los Angeles / Rose Bowl / 92,000+


Miami / Land Shark Stadium / 75,540

New York/N.J. / New Meadowlands Stadium / 82,000

San Francisco / Stanford Stadium / 50,500

Seattle / Qwest Field / 67,000

Washington, D.C. / RFK Stadium / 45,600

The obvious question mark is the Washington venue. The mitigating factors are: 1) We need a venue for the Nation's Capital; 2) It is IN the Nation's Capital; 3) FedEx has the same problem with Lincoln Financial Field: a narrow pitch. Plus it is a nightmare to get to, from what I've heard; 4) I won't count on the Snyder Pipe Dream to become reality.

Otherwise, this should be a well-balanced geographical and, more importantly, logistical list. For that, they need to take some chances and present some cities that aren't the known "soccer-friendly" cities. If crowds aren't the problem people like to claim they're not, then this shouldn't conflict with that idea. My fear is that the US federation is dreaming too much about "mega-crowds" that they end up presenting a list that would not be a more honest representation of the country as a whole. Australia may still win the right, in the end, if going by the emotion and their well-earned reputation for organizing big-time sporting events.

A mix of large and medium-sized venues is the better way, IMO.
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Old August 21st, 2009, 07:06 AM   #1530
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I dont think they would still be in consideration if the filed is "To small"
http://homeworktips.about.com/od/imp...t/toandtoo.htm

And yes, they are too small.
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Old August 21st, 2009, 11:49 AM   #1531
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With such a luxury of available stadia, I would prefer that they take some risks. I think Baltimore should be seriously considered for a spot in the final list. What they could do is do a combination of Balt/Wash and split some matches between them. Spruce up RFK to bring it up to code, if necessary. FedEx's field is too narrow and I don't think the owner is going to spend $$$ to widen it just for a bunch of matches. And talk of a stadium at the RFK grounds is just speculation. I would not take it into consideration. Assuming that RFK hasn't fallen down by then, the organizing committee should spend $$$ to fix up the seating areas and improve air circulation at the concourses. That can get them a few group stage matches. The bigger matches and a QF game can go to Baltimore, to fit in the larger crowds.

i think you seriously, seriously dont understand how crappy RFK has become. Its a complete dump. Its small, concourses are crumbling, the seats are all outdated and ancient, its has an outdated press box, no boxes, poor locker rooms...the list goes on. The only money thats worth spending at RFK is either to pay to mow the grass or blow it up. To spend any money on it would be a total waste, especially when the only problem at FedEx is the field size, which can be fixed at a much cheaper price. The residents of DC wont let he city council do anything to "spruce" up RFK. They already did it a few years ago when the Nationals came to town.

Dont discount the idea of building a new place at RFK. I bet you that by 2022 FedEx Field will no longer be in use.

If they want to have a game in the DC area then they better find a way to use FedEx because if they dont then there wont be a game here.
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Old August 21st, 2009, 03:07 PM   #1532
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My choice:

Boston: Gillette Stadium 71,693
Charlotte: Bank of America Stadium 73,778
Chicago: Soldier Field 61,000
Dallas: Cowboys Stadium 100,000
Houston: Reliant Stadium 71,500
Los Angeles: Rose Bowl 92,000
Miami: Land Shark Stadium 75,540
New York / New Jersey New: Meadowlands Stadium 82,000
Phoenix / Glendale: University of Phoenix Stadium 71,000
San Francisco: New 49 ers stadium 78,000
Seattle: Husky Qwest Field 67,000
Washington, D.C.: FedEx Field 91,704

Mean: 77,935
Potential attendance during world cup: 4,987,840 spectators
I would be a big record.
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Old August 21st, 2009, 03:31 PM   #1533
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I'd replace FedEx Field with a replacement stadium for RFK with 100,000+ for the finals. Alternatively, the Rose Bowl will do. Not that you guys will win anyways...
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Old August 21st, 2009, 03:54 PM   #1534
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I made some modifications on my list
Boston: Gillette Stadium 71,693
Charlotte: Bank of America Stadium 73,778
Chicago: Soldier Field 61,000
Dallas: Cowboys Stadium 100,000 (third place game)
Houston: Reliant Stadium 71,500
Los Angeles: Rose Bowl 92,000 (semi final)
Miami: Land Shark Stadium 75,540
New York / New Jersey New: Meadowlands Stadium 82,000 (opening game, semi final)
Phoenix / Glendale: University of Phoenix Stadium 71,000
San Francisco: New 49 ers stadium 75,000
Seattle: Husky Qwest Field 67,000
Washington DC: New RFK stadium 100,000 (final)

Mean: 78,376 places
Attendance: 5,016,064 spectators

Good idea Lord David !
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^ Of course it is, the Redskins have been saying for years that they dislike FedExField, amongst other things, the location outside of Washington DC.

Now that the Nationals have their own stadium, just have DC United play at FedExField whilst RFK Stadium is demolished and New RFK Stadium or RFK II Stadium is built (Doesn't really need a name change as many rebuilt stadiums from scratch such as Wembley Stadium have retained their names).

100,000 minimum, though given space, 100,000-120,000 could easily be envisioned for the area.

Oh, and what about DC United you say? Surely they don't need a 100,000 seater stadium!
Of course not, just have the stadium designed as such that say 40,000-50,000 lower level seats and skyboxes are available for DC United games, and have some sort of covering to cover the upper level.

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Old August 21st, 2009, 04:48 PM   #1536
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^ Of course it is, the Redskins have been saying for years that they dislike FedExField, amongst other things, the location outside of Washington DC.

Now that the Nationals have their own stadium, just have DC United play at FedExField whilst RFK Stadium is demolished and New RFK Stadium or RFK II Stadium is built (Doesn't really need a name change as many rebuilt stadiums from scratch such as Wembley Stadium have retained their names).

100,000 minimum, though given space, 100,000-120,000 could easily be envisioned for the area.

Oh, and what about DC United you say? Surely they don't need a 100,000 seater stadium!
Of course not, just have the stadium designed as such that say 40,000-50,000 lower level seats and skyboxes are available for DC United games, and have some sort of covering to cover the upper level.
Kind of like what the sounders do in seattle?

The Fed is only 10 years old and The Redskins hate the stadium they paid for and rushed through construction all by them self's? Surprise surprise.
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Won't happen but it would be nice to have Nashville make it through. World cup matches fifteen minutes from the house.
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It has a better chance than you think, actually. The USSF, and I know this to be a fact, are in love with Nashville. They had nothing but good things to say after it's previous internationals and will be coming back.
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Old August 22nd, 2009, 08:40 PM   #1539
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My ideal list of stadiums for an American World Cup would be:

Northeast:
New York / New Jersey New: Meadowlands Stadium 82,000 (Opening Match & Semi Final)
Boston: Gillette Stadium 71,693
Washington DC: New RFK stadium 100,000 (Final)

Southeast:
Miami: Land Shark Stadium 75,540
Atlanta: Georgia Dome 71,250

South:
Houston: Reliant Stadium 71,500
Dallas: Cowboys Stadium 100,000

Midwest:
Chicago: Soldier Field 61,000 (3rd Place match)
Denver: Invesco Field 76,125

Pacific Coast:
Los Angeles: Rose Bowl 92,000 (Semi Final)
San Francisco: New 49ers stadium 75,000
Seattle: Husky Qwest Field 67,000

What do you guys think of my list? I have tried to give a good geographic spread in cities that can offer good tourist attractions. I am not sure on Atlanta as I don't think the stadium is that nice, but it's a huge transport hub and can cope with major sporting events. I am also not sure on where the final should be played. I believe it should be in one of 3 cities New York City, Los Angeles or Washington D.C. I chose Washington as it has a bigger capacity, what are your views?

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Blue = Lock
Red = Chance
Black = Doubtful

Atlanta / Georgia Dome / 71,250 Not exactly soccer country and don't think their stadium helps much.

Baltimore / M & T Bank Stadium / 71,008 Too close to DC/NYC, both locks for games.

Boston / Gillette Stadium / 71,693 MLS team, check, large stadium suitable for soccer, check, large interesting city, check.

Charlotte / Bank of America Stadium / 73,778 It's Charlotte...

Chicago / Soldier Field / 61,000 Small stadium by USA standards but its Chicago.

Cleveland / Cleveland Browns Stadium / 72,000 It's Cleveland...

Dallas / Cotton Bowl / 89,000 There's a much better stadium just miles away.

Dallas / Cowboys Stadium / 100,000 I'm sure it's field is going to be wide enough by 2022.

Denver / INVESCO Field / 76,125 I think it has the best shot out of all the midwester stadiums outside Chicago.

Detroit / Ford Field / 67,188 Hosted in 1994 but by no means a lock.

Detroit / Michigan Stadium / 108,000 Again, why is this here when there's a much better stadium miles away.

Houston / Reliant Stadium / 71,500 Lock. Even more so than Dallas.

Indianapolis / Lucas Oil Stadium / 64,200 Good stadium, but is the city as well known as Denver/Detroit?

Jacksonville, Fla. / Jacksonville Municipal Stadium / 82,000 It's Jacksonville...they can't even sell out Jaguars games...

Kansas City / Arrowhead Stadium / 77,000 Surprised to see it this far, but don't think it can beat out Denver/Detroid/Indy.

Los Angeles / Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum / 93,607 Won't replace the Rose Bowl that hosted the 94 final.

Los Angeles / Rose Bowl / 92,000+ I think they'll use it just for the nostalgia factor of the 94 WC.

Miami / Land Shark Stadium / 75,540 Miami didn't host last time due to the Marlins using the stadium but they won't miss out this time.

Nashville / LP Field / 69,143 USA has played a couple of games here, but faces Denver/Detroit/Indy.

New York/N.J. / New Meadowlands Stadium / 82,000 No way that NYC doesn't host.

Oakland / Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum / 63,026 Awful stadium.

Orlando / Florida Citrus Bowl / 65,616 Can't beat out Miami with their aging stadium.

Philadelphia / Lincoln Financial Field / 67,594 Great stadium, great city, bad location.

Phoenix/Glendale / University of Phoenix Stadium / 71,000 Great stadium, not sure if they'd want that many west coast stadiums. Only if SF doesn't host.

San Diego / Qualcomm Stadium / 70,500 Hurts to say it but it's an aging stadium, would move to chance if the Chargers can build a new stadium.

San Francisco / Stanford Stadium / 50,500 Aging stadium, SF won't host if they can't get a new stadium. But there is a chance they'll get it!

Seattle / Qwest Field / 67,000 Great stadium, great city, great fans!

Seattle / Husky Stadium / 72,500 Although bigger, it's not better than Qwest field.

St. Louis / Edward Jones Dome / 67,268 Meh stadium, no MLS team, too much midwest competition.

Tampa / Raymond James Stadium / 65,856 Only if for some strange reason Miami drops out.

Washington, D.C. / RFK Stadium / 45,600 Too small. Old.

Washington, D.C. / FedExField / 91,704
DC will host. Snyder will get his new stadium by then.
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