USA - FIFA World Cup 2022 bid - Page 97

pesto · February 10th, 2010, 01:00 AM

The Rose Bowl and Coliseum both need substantial work, but consistent with their historic look.

I don't think Lambeau is much different from the rest of the mostly Brand Name Stadiums in the NFL these days. The Green Bay story is nice (small town with a pro team) but I don't think that translates to the stadium. Ask your wife or non-American friends if they have hear of the Rose Bowl, Yankee Stadium and Lambeau; you will get yes on 2 out of 3.

rantanamo · February 10th, 2010, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by krudmonk

Yes, it is. It hosts an NFL team, not some kids.

Lambeau has hosted the Green Bay Packers. The Rose Bowl has hosted college football's best, Super Bowls, World Cups, etc for a long time. Please stop this nonsense.

marionthebarberian · February 10th, 2010, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by 1772

Huh?
We're talking Lambeau as in the Packers.
12-time super bowl champions...

lmfao at you calling the packers 12 time super bowl champions..child please.

1772 · February 10th, 2010, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by marionthebarberian

lmfao at you calling the packers 12 time super bowl champions..child please.

12 time NFL champions. My bad.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Bay_Packers

Child?!
Grow up...

krudmonk · February 10th, 2010, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by rantanamo

Lambeau has hosted the Green Bay Packers. The Rose Bowl has hosted college football's best, Super Bowls, World Cups, etc for a long time. Please stop this nonsense.

People think of "the Rose Bowl" more as a game than a stadium. Also, Super Bowls and World Cup matches there are not on the regular.

CaliforniaJones · February 11th, 2010, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by pesto

The Rose Bowl and Coliseum both need substantial work, but consistent with their historic look.

I don't think Lambeau is much different from the rest of the mostly Brand Name Stadiums in the NFL these days. The Green Bay story is nice (small town with a pro team) but I don't think that translates to the stadium. Ask your wife or non-American friends if they have hear of the Rose Bowl, Yankee Stadium and Lambeau; you will get yes on 2 out of 3.

The two stadiums could have a more mordern look, such as roofs, new VIP rooms and others.
They could have inspirations from the Olympic stadium of Berlin, which has kept his historic face and has a roof and a modern look.

krudmonk · February 11th, 2010, 12:50 AM

Hopefully they'd learn from Solider Field, too. That is, it's clear what not to do.

weava · February 11th, 2010, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by CaliforniaJones

The two stadiums could have a more mordern look, such as roofs, new VIP rooms and others.
They could have inspirations from the Olympic stadium of Berlin, which has kept his historic face and has a roof and a modern look.

A roof over a COLLEGE stadium in an area with great weather......

CaliforniaJones · February 11th, 2010, 01:05 AM

How much could these renovations cost ?
These costs could be considered in the bid book.

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Originally Posted by weava

A roof over a COLLEGE stadium in an area with great weather......

What is the problem ?

ryebreadraz · February 11th, 2010, 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by CaliforniaJones

The two stadiums could have a more mordern look, such as roofs, new VIP rooms and others.
They could have inspirations from the Olympic stadium of Berlin, which has kept his historic face and has a roof and a modern look.

The Rose Bowl could get some renovations. The City of Pasadena is exploring a renovation now and while VIP seating would be greatly enhanced, it would not be a world class stadium from an amenities standpoint even after.

The Coliseum will not get any significant renovations whatsoever. USC isn't going to contribute a substantial sum of money because they don't own it and the Coliseum Commission is A) incompetent and B) short on money. Any significant renovation to the Coliseum that would make it NFL worthy and first class would cost well over $1 billion.

jlch1987 · February 11th, 2010, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by weava

A roof over a COLLEGE stadium in an area with great weather......

You know, players like Maradona and Romario spoke very bad of the World Cup 94, mailny because the stadiums had no roof and the weather was so good that when they played at noon they suffered sofocation at extreme hot weather...

Finally, it's the Commite's choice if they put roofs in the stadiums, but it's FIFA's choice if they choose a country in 2018/22 with no roof in major stadiums...

JYDA · February 11th, 2010, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by jlch1987

You know, players like Maradona and Romario spoke very bad of the World Cup 94, mailny because the stadiums had no roof and the weather was so good that when they played at noon they suffered sofocation at extreme hot weather...

There was some rather extreme heat at world cup 2006.... even with the roofs.

1772 · February 11th, 2010, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by jlch1987

You know, players like Maradona and Romario spoke very bad of the World Cup 94, mailny because the stadiums had no roof and the weather was so good that when they played at noon they suffered sofocation at extreme hot weather...

Finally, it's the Commite's choice if they put roofs in the stadiums, but it's FIFA's choice if they choose a country in 2018/22 with no roof in major stadiums...

They were suffocated? That don't seem like "good weather" to me.

jlch1987 · February 11th, 2010, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by 1772

They were suffocated? That don't seem like "good weather" to me.

I was being ironic, but in USA, sunny weather seems considered to be good weather, even if it's burning hot.

weava · February 12th, 2010, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by jlch1987

You know, players like Maradona and Romario spoke very bad of the World Cup 94, mailny because the stadiums had no roof and the weather was so good that when they played at noon they suffered sofocation at extreme hot weather...

Finally, it's the Commite's choice if they put roofs in the stadiums, but it's FIFA's choice if they choose a country in 2018/22 with no roof in major stadiums...

So becuase some forigner who I've never heard of spoke badly of our world cup I'm suppose to care. Soccer players are complete pussies if they can't play an outdoor sport in the outdoors.

JYDA · February 12th, 2010, 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by weava

So becuase some forigner who I've never heard of spoke badly of our world cup I'm suppose to care. Soccer players are complete pussies if they can't play an outdoor sport in the outdoors.

Firstly, learn to spell. Secondly, it's a little tougher running for 90 minutes in the heat without breaks. An NFL game has an average of 11 minutes and 43 seconds of game play while a baseball game has even less.

ryebreadraz · February 12th, 2010, 04:07 AM

Hot weather makes it tough and definitely has an adverse effect on the quality of play. The thing that I think most people overlook is that a roof sometimes makes the heat worse, not better, because it restricts airflow.

Chimbanha · February 12th, 2010, 04:19 AM

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Originally Posted by weava

So becuase some forigner who I've never heard of spoke badly of our world cup I'm suppose to care. Soccer players are complete pussies if they can't play an outdoor sport in the outdoors.

YOU'VE NEVER HEARD OF ROMARIO AND MARADONA?

dl3000 · February 12th, 2010, 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by JYDA

Firstly, learn to spell. Secondly, it's a little tougher running for 90 minutes in the heat without breaks. An NFL game has an average of 11 minutes and 43 seconds of game play while a baseball game has even less.

While I agree soccer and roofs should be taken seriously, I question your 11 minute number. The clock runs for 60 minutes. Yes theres 25 seconds between plays but 11 minutes is way too short. If you say some of that is from walking, well we both know that at any given time there are individuals on the field in soccer who are walking or standing.

Chimbanha · February 12th, 2010, 05:57 AM

Soccer players must handle hot weather. 2014 in Brazil will not be a piece of cake for them either. There will be scorching temperatures in Manaus, Fortaleza, Cuiabá, Recife, Natal and Salvador (30ºC+). The other cities will be in a more pronounced winter.

Roofs are made to protect expectators anyway, not players. None of the above mentioned cities will have retractible roofs that will cover the field. FIFA will probably require a roof for the stadiums that will host the opening game, semifinals and finals, but to protect the spectators, not the players. I think FIFA expects at least a portion of each stadium to have a roof so they can accomodate some of the most expensive tickets' buyers, just look at Polokwane's and Rustenburg's stadiums.

The only crazy thing are the games played at noon. That can't happen. Soccer should always be played after 4 p.m.

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February 10th, 2010, 01:00 AM	#1921
pesto Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 3,159 Likes (Received): 26	The Rose Bowl and Coliseum both need substantial work, but consistent with their historic look. I don't think Lambeau is much different from the rest of the mostly Brand Name Stadiums in the NFL these days. The Green Bay story is nice (small town with a pro team) but I don't think that translates to the stadium. Ask your wife or non-American friends if they have hear of the Rose Bowl, Yankee Stadium and Lambeau; you will get yes on 2 out of 3.

February 11th, 2010, 12:50 AM	#1927
krudmonk sucks Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sannozay Posts: 1,646 Likes (Received): 4	Hopefully they'd learn from Solider Field, too. That is, it's clear what not to do.

February 12th, 2010, 04:07 AM	#1937
ryebreadraz Registered User Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,584 Likes (Received): 1	Hot weather makes it tough and definitely has an adverse effect on the quality of play. The thing that I think most people overlook is that a roof sometimes makes the heat worse, not better, because it restricts airflow.

February 12th, 2010, 05:57 AM	#1940
Chimbanha Tocan-trash Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 963 Likes (Received): 155	Soccer players must handle hot weather. 2014 in Brazil will not be a piece of cake for them either. There will be scorching temperatures in Manaus, Fortaleza, Cuiabá, Recife, Natal and Salvador (30ºC+). The other cities will be in a more pronounced winter. Roofs are made to protect expectators anyway, not players. None of the above mentioned cities will have retractible roofs that will cover the field. FIFA will probably require a roof for the stadiums that will host the opening game, semifinals and finals, but to protect the spectators, not the players. I think FIFA expects at least a portion of each stadium to have a roof so they can accomodate some of the most expensive tickets' buyers, just look at Polokwane's and Rustenburg's stadiums. The only crazy thing are the games played at noon. That can't happen. Soccer should always be played after 4 p.m.