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[SarafIndian]

Originally Posted by rkramesh

Hmm you do have a point there Saraf with the recent news reports of China's intrusions on our country's border. But otherwise they are certainly well qualified to help modernise our largely out-dated railway stations and rolling stock.

Personally, I am not against any economic/infrastructural cooperation with them. And India has quite good economic relation with them (Ex-IT).

But, we should concern about their quality of work. They make things fast, fancy-good looking and cheap also. But are they good quality? I think Indian companies are enough for doing this job. If necessary we can take help from European /Japs/Canadian companies. Ya, it would cost more.

[PlaneMad]

Originally Posted by MxC

I don't see why this very important development should be viewed skeptically. Agreed that so far things have not been like they should have been. But there is no denying that the Chinese are doing what we all know they are doing. So in order to counter that, and as also mentioned in the article, to help in tourism, it is a big need of the hour and will be a huge strategic move for the country.

Of course there is no denying the fact that the engineering challenges would be huge, to put it mildly. But then wasn't the Chinese tibet line also considered practically impossible once?

So friends, instead of treating this news skeptically, let's put our collective wisdom to work and think of challenges of this project and suggest remedies.

Im not saying its impossible, mind you. Its just that if this were approved, the construction and maintainance costs will be so huge, that the returns may never justify the investment. Something like this will easily cost upward of 20,000 crores and at least 10 years to make.

What we should be doing is settling our differences with the chinese, instead of building a military line under the guise of improving the local economy. Let them first make a two lane all weather highway if they have so much cash to blow.

[Euromast]

[Euromast]

Kalka Shimla Railway added to Indian World Heritage site

WASHINGTON: Unesco Monday gave the go ahead for India to add another rail line to its Mountain Railways of India World Heritage site - a stretch that served Shimla, the one-time British summer capital in India's northwest.

The Kalka-Shimla narrow gauge railway was approved Monday in addition to new sites in nine other countries that received the nod from the panel meeting in Canada.

Before the meetings began last week, Unesco's World Heritage list included 851 properties, and another 41 are being considered during the eight-day session.

The Kalka-Shimla Railway, built in the 19th century, is a working link that transits 96 km to the mountain town of Shimla.

Other railways in the Indian Mountain Railway heritage site include the Darjeeling Himalayan Railway and the Nilgiri Mountain Railway in Tamil Nadu State

[zhiemi]

L&T bags Rs 1,048 cr order from Railways

Engineering and construction firm Larsen and Toubro on Tuesday said it has bagged Rs 1,047.60 crore contract from Indian Railways for setting up a steel wheel manufacturing plant in Bihar.

The company would set up a cast steel manufacturing plant at Saran in Bihar, L&T said in a filing to the Bombay Stock Exchange, adding that the plant when commissioned will have the capacity to manufacture one lakh cast steel railroad wheels per annum.

The scope of the work for this turnkey project involves engineering, procurement and construction of the plant, including civil works, electrical installation and commissioning of machinery and plant.

The project is scheduled to be completed within two years.

The new plant will help the Indian railways meet the huge shortage of wheels for rolling stocks due to rapid growth in the passenger and freight traffic and would reduce dependence on imports, L&T added.

Going forward, the company plans to participate in various upcoming projects in rail sector such as rolling stock manufacturing, station redevelopment, urban mass transit systems among others.

[MxC]

Originally Posted by Euromast

A related news...

Five platforms at New Delhi station to be shut

In a major decision, the Delhi division of Northern Railway has decided to close down platforms 1 to 5 located at the New Delhi Railway station. According to officials, the process may begin immediately after the inauguration of the Anand Vihar terminal by the end of this year. The closure, senior Railway officials explained, became necessary in order to carry out major construction work. The construction work is part of the modernisation plan envisaged by the Railways to develop the New Delhi railway station into a world-class facility, similar to those in south-east Asia.

"We will need to pull down a few existing structures and build new ones. However, with huge pressure on these platforms, it is impossible to carry out such constructions. Hence, we will close the station partially in different phases to facilitate construction work over the next few years," said a senior Railway officer.

As part of this reconstruction process, the final destination of a number of trains will also be changed. "Although we are expecting to inaugurate the four new platforms in the next couple of months, there would not be enough carrying capacity that can help us in continuing with the normal schedule. So, a few trains will be re-routed to Hazrat Nizamuddin, Delhi Junction and Anand Vihar terminals. In all likelihood, most east-bound trains will henceforth depart from the Anand Vihar terminal," added the Railway official.

Passengers at New Delhi station had mixed feelings on the issue. "We must cooperate. In the end, it will help us. I am shocked at the apathy shown by officials towards cleanliness. Hopefully, the new complexes coming up here and at Anand Vihar will be free from problems," said N Subramaniam, a passenger of the GT Express.

However, Swapan Talukdar, a passenger, said reaching Anand Vihar terminal could be a problem. "Passengers not from the trans-Yamuna region may face problems as it is not centrally located. Perhaps the railways could have waited for Metro to begin operations from Anand Vihar," he said.

So there is some progress on the modernization plan of New Delhi railway station. I know there was a news on this in HT sometimes back. But there was hardly any plan in it to give an idea about what to expect. Does someone have any plans related information that they can share here?

[MxC]

Some more news related to gauge conversions...

Railway Minister Lalu Prasad today announced free railway passes to all girl students up to graduation.

The minister announced this while laying the foundation stone for gauge conversion of 62 km Bharuch-Dahej and 62.89 km Ankleshwar- Rajpipla sections at Samni, about 20 km from here.

The two gauge conversion projects are estimated to cost Rs 230 crore and Rs 197 crore, respectively.

The Railway Ministry, he said, was formulating an ambitious plan to help link major rivers in the country by laying pipelines on either side of its 64,000-km long tracks spread across the country.

''The idea behind linking the rivers is to provide water for irrigation and drinking water to people living in water-starved areas. Railways have enough land on either side of the tracks, which can be used to resolve the water crisis in the country,'' he said.

Mr Prasad said the railway's turnaround during the last four years had received worldwide attention for having created a surplus fund of Rs 69,000 crore without any hike in fares. ''I will take this surplus fund to the Rs 1,00,000-crore mark before the end of the UPA government's term next year,'' he asserted.

Describing Railways as the lifeline of India, he said his Ministry had decided to do away with all the narrow and meter gauge tracks by undertaking conversion projects in a phased manner.

The Minister denied allegations that Gujarat was being discriminated with regard to sanction of railway projects. During the last four years of the UPA rule at the Centre, projects worth Rs 14,448 crore had been completed in Gujarat and 38 new projects worth Rs 6,600 crore were under construction, he claimed.

The Bharuch-Dahej gauge conversion would connect the upcoming Dahej port on south Gujarat coast to the Indian railway network under the National Rail Vikash Yojana (NRVJ), while Ankleshwar-Rajpipla gauge conversion project, when completed, would act as a catalyst to boost the socio-economic growth of this tribal region, he said.

[MxC]

This is in response to the various posts related to the new trains and their timings:

• The official press release: http://pib.nic.in/release/release.asp?relid=39916
• The new time table on web: http://www.indianrailways.gov.in/Tag0809/index.htm
• A private, but excellent and must visit alternative to the Railways own enquiry website: http://erail.in/

Hope this helps.

[MxC]

Cartels, corruption plague Railway procurement

Cartels, bid rigging and corruption plague Indian Railway's procurement, which runs into thousands of crores every year, says a Competition Commission-sponsored study.

In 2006, as many as nine firms participated in a tender for procuring high speed cast steel bogies, of which seven quoted the same price of Rs 99,638 per bogies for less than 50 per cent of the requirement, the draft report prepared by The Energy Research Institute(Teri), which has been commissioned by CCI revealed.

The tender did not include the clause against cartel formation. The report concluded that there are "cartels operating in railway procurement".
When contacted CCI Director General Amitabh Kumar said, "Yes, there are cartels in the railway procurement. Railways officials have been complaining to us about the prevailing cartelisation in the bidding process. Suppliers allegedly are quoting same price for the bids which is an anti-competitive practice."


But, the Commission can not take any action till the Commission is operationalised, Kumar added.


The audit report of Comptroller and Auditor General of India, 2006, examined 19 items and highlighted that there was "cartel formation in nine out of 31 tender cases examined for pre-decentralisation period".


Also, there was a cartel formation in 47 tender cases issued by zonal railways for the same item after decentralisation, the CAG report said.

A cause for concern, especially at all the delay in taking action against this practice.

[MxC]

An interesting article in Hindu about the romance of train travel...

Ticket to ride

SHEILA KUMAR

Even as low- cost airlines are reverting to becoming high-cost airlines again, a paean to the rail gaadi.


Photo: Bijoy Ghosh

Addictive: Savouring the landscape at an enjoyable pace.


A recent news item said that all the short-haul trains, the Shatabdis, Deccan Queen, Brindaban, were running almost always full while flights were going near empty. Oil prices apart, this didn’t surprise me one bit.

The thing is, I still remember the days when train travel was plush. Really, no other word will suffice. There were attached bathrooms, attenders, the food was actually good. If it was all a tad expensive, well, it was worth the money spent. This was First Class, of course. I recall the slump, too. That was a long period during which I have travelled with mosquitoes, mice, roaches and nasty co-travellers, though the Railways can’t be held to blame for the last. Trains would never ever arrive or depart in time. Stations were dirty as hell. As for the stinking toilets on the trains, no words can possibly do justice to their squalor. All this in air-conditioned coaches.

And now, I find the pendulum has swung again. Someone — could it be Lalu? — has put the romance back in train travel. Oh alright, you do need the time for a rail journey. However, that is the only prerequisite.

I travel quite a bit and being first an army brat, then an army wife, much of that travel has been, and is being, done by rail. Flights were always the last option when it came to domestic travel. At first, it was because of the prohibitive costs of airline tickets, then it became pure habit. And willy-nilly, I became a convert and began to enjoy my train journeys. I became an avid fan of travel writers who were also railway buffs, Stephen Alter, Paul Theroux and their ilk. While I don’t seek out branch lines, I still miss those steam engines.

Leisurely affair

Train travel is a leisurely affair and the enforced inactivity forces you into a pleasant limbo. For most people, the rocking movement of the carriages is a sleeping aid. You get freeze frames of the Taj Mahal, the Doodhsagar Falls, the dense forests of Karwar, and these sights stay with you long after you have sped past them. You get to sample chikki at Lonavla station, oranges at Nagpur, peta at Agra Cantonment station, banana fritters at Alapuzha.

A few months ago, I did Rajasthan by rail. No, not aboard one of those fancy royal saloons on wheels. I took ordinary trains but in the First Class air-conditioned coaches. And once I settled in, I’d gaze about me. The cabins usually had light wood panelling, a wash basin, a panel with lights to show whether the loos were vacant or occupied. There was a slim cupboard to hang my stuff in, if I wanted to. The curtain rod was faux brass, the curtains themselves were thick and of a pleasing shade of maroon. They matched the deep red upholstery, which was clean. What’s more, there was a carpet underfoot too and that too, passed my keen scrutiny.

The attendant would come by and spray room freshener and instead of it inducing instant asthma, it gave the small cabin a nice pine-y ambience. There was a pink plastic dustbin in one corner, a steel shoe rack in the other. I was able to use my laptop and charge it, too. At mealtimes, we were served on real china, with linen napkins, the personal steward pulling out a folding table from underneath the seat and laying it. And last but certainly not the least, the toilet had tissue rolls!

Somehow, even the harrowing train journeys of the past now take on a mellow hue, given the perspective of time and distance. I recall being stranded, many moons ago, on a bridge atop the river Krishna in Andhra Pradesh; floods had hit the area and all trains were halted. That was almost three days, and food and drinking water ran out by the second day. Bad scene, but one of my co-travellers was a delightful Irish priest, Father Kennedy, and some of his pragmatism rubbed off on me.

Elsewhere, I have run, in a scene straight out of a Hindi film, after a slow train chugging out of Bhopal station. It picked up speed just as I was within handrail-grabbing distance. Well, I got to see the very interesting city of Bhopal in the time it took to catch the next train out, so something was salvaged after all.

Something, I have realised, is always salvaged from the worst journeys.

Old-world charm

So much for the bad trips. There have been great trips, delightful way stations with pots of flowers and names like Runnymede, Victorian buildings with monkey tops. Disused tracks with wildflowers growing amok all around. Level crossings manned by cheerful men. There have been convivial companions aboard trains, and much shared laughter and networking, too. A powder room in a Shatabdi, complete with full length mirror. The odd ones...squabbling families, aggressive men, insufferable bores, demonic children… well, they have all fallen grist to my article mill, so I mustn’t complain! The toy trains in the Nilgiris and Shimla are charming rides about which much newsprint has been expended, so I won’t go down that track.

And the landscape. Oh, the landscape. There really is nothing like seeing India from a train window. The sands of Jaisalmer or the Rann of Kutch, the neat and orderly wadis of Maharashtra. The sparse vegetation of the Deccan giving way to the verdancy and backwaters of Kerala. The emerald-hued gigantic ferns of north Bengal. The gigantic sal trees of Madhya Pradesh turning gold in the gloaming. The deep canals of Punjab holding celadon-coloured waters. The sharp air when you get out at Pathankot. The unforgettable coastline journeys with waterfalls, needle- thin in some places, and gushing torrents in others; deep ravines, green valleys, the sun playing hide and seek on the softly contoured hills. The shimmer of the sea beyond. Tunnels so narrow you can touch the sides; tunnels so long, you unwittingly hold your breath waiting for the glimmer of light. Bridges of all sizes and spans, rivers swollen and sparse. Impromptu cricket matches in dusty grounds by the tracks.

And then, there is the destination. For all one hears of the journey being more meaningful than the destination, truth to tell, it is always good to arrive someplace, anyplace. As a certain Jhumpa L said, wherever you go, you meet yourself at the end of the journey.

[phaedrus]

Originally Posted by Euromast

Kalka Shimla Railway added to Indian World Heritage site

Railways plans special tour package on Kalka-Shimla line

The railways is planning to introduce a special tour package on the Kalka-Shimla railway line, which has been recently been declared a heritage site by the UNESCO.

"We plan to introduce special tour packages to different destinations on the 96.6 km Kalka-Shimla railway line in partnership with the Himachal Pradesh government," Divisional Railway Manager (Ambala), H K Jaggi told reporters.

The DRM said he held talks in this regard with HP Chief Secretary Asha Swaroop and Secretary Tourism Manisha Nanda.

"The response of the state government is very encouraging," Jaggi said.

The DRM said in course of time special trains on the line of "Palace-on-Wheels" will be planned to attract more tourists.

A plan to set up a museum where signals, benches, weighing machines used over the years on the 104-year-old narrow gauge has also been discussed. These pristine items are preserved at various stations along the Kalka-Shimla railway.

source economictimes.com

[zhiemi]

Microsoft to improve efficiency of Indian Railways.

Painful delays in reaching your destination, waiting for hours on end at the railway stations in the country for trains to arrive, with the announcement system blaring old information repeatedly, may soon become a thing of the past.

Centre for Railway Information Systems (CRIS), the umbrella organization for all computer activities on Indian Railways, along with Microsoft, has come out with a unique system for effectively monitoring the movement of trains operated by the Indian Railways.

Built on Windows Vista, the Control Office application (COA) will ensure that the 17 million passengers who travel by the Indian Railways every day and users of its freight services will get real time information on the exact location and arrival and departure times of all trains on their phones. “We have completed the integration of COA with our interactive voice response system and our website in the 26 control rooms it has been deployed so far,” said the spokesperson of CRIS.

The application, developed with an investment of Rs 83 crore, is expected to be rolled-out across all the 68 control rooms of the Indian Railways by end of this fiscal, according to him. This is how it will work: The control office is like a call centre for each division of the railways, into which information pours in from every station in that division about arrival and departure of every train passing them by. Currently, the rail traffic controllers at each control office plot that information on a manual chart, then make decisions about movement of trains and make forecasts about arrivals and departures.

Once COA is deployed, the computer will take care of plotting and drawing the train path, leaving the controller more time to make faster decisions about the best possible route for a train, thereby reducing delays, improving forecasts (less than a second from 20 seconds earlier) and revenues, from the same assets.

And as this will get fed into passenger information systems like the IVRS and railways’ website, railway users will get more accurate and up-to-date information on running of trains. It will allow passengers to plan their travel better, while companies will be able to improve their logistics management. It will also enable the controller to better manage the conflicts, like, if two trains are on the same track, which one should be allowed to move first. Improvement in decisions and the in-built monitoring alert will help avoid accidents, enhancing safety as well.

A system like COA gains significance considering that Indian Railways operates 8,984 passenger trains and 9387 goods trains running on 104,000 km track in three different gauges, which carry 17 million passengers and 2 million tonne freight per day, which sometimes require split-second decisions.

Source: TOI

[MxC]

With the platform being Vista, I'm seriously doubting how much stable this new system will be

On a more serious note, if the system will be able to deliver as promised, it would be great improvement to the existing inquiry system!

BTW, the news says "... leaving the controller more time to make faster decisions about the best possible route for a train, thereby reducing delays ...". Except in case of an accident, a train always follows a fixed route. What then is the meaning of this part

zhiemi, would you mind providing the link of your source as well.

[ajithv]

Indian Railways has signed an MoU with Kerala government's department of industries and commerce to form a joint venture to manufacture bogie frames for passenger coaches. The JV will use land and other assets belonging to state government-owned Steel Industrials Kerala Ltd.
The joint venture will be formed in a phased manner over the next six months with Railways holding 51 per cent. The remainder, initially to be held by the Kerala government, will be transferred to SILK. The entities involved will be Autokast Ltd, a subsidiary of SILK and Steel Fabrication Unit, a division of SILK - both situated at S.N. Puram in Allapuzha district.

Source : Projects Monitor

[MxC]

KANGRA VALLEY RAILWAY TRACK
CAUGHT IN A NARROW RANGE

Ravinder Sood

A number of plans have been drawn up to convert this narrow gauge line into a broad gauge line, but all remained confined to the files

Train of Problems

• No effort has ever been made to convert this 120-km long rail track into a broad gauge line
• Century-old engines and coaches are still plying on this track
• The authorities even could not introduce the regular first-class compartment
• The condition of the rail track between Pathankot and Jogindernagar is the worst
• The retaining walls on the tracks have developed major cracks and wooden logs of the railway line have outlived its life
• Residential quarters and railway station buildings are also crying for repair
  

Palampur, July 8
Kangra valley railway narrow gauge line, which plays a significant role in the economy of this region, is in a bad shape. Thanks to the apathy of the Indian Railways, which made no efforts in the past 70 years to convert this 120-km long rail track into a broad gauge line.

The British had laid down this railway line in 1932, linking all important and religious towns of Kangra and parts of Mandi district.

It is stated that the main objective to lay this track was to carry heavy equipments for the installation of Shanan Power House in Joginder Nagar.

Unfortunately, the Indian Railways have not added even a single brick to this track in the past 73 years.

A number of plans were drawn up to convert this narrow gauge line into a broad gauge line, but all remained confined to files. With a manifold increase in the population and the tourist traffic in the Kangra valley, the Railways has failed to come up to the expectations of the local people.

Century-old engines and coaches are still plying on this track. Even the authorities could not introduce the regular first-class compartment here.

At present, seven trains ply on this route daily covering 33 stations and passing through important places like Nurpur, Jawali, Jwalamukhi Road, Kangra, Nagrota Bagwan, Chamunda, Palampur, Baijnath and Jogindernagar, which are also major tourists attraction centres of the state.

The condition of the rail track between Pathankot and Jogindernagar has gone from bad to worse in the past 10 years, as the Railways authorities have no funds to repair the same. Several small and big bridges are in bad shape. The retaining walls on the tracks have developed major cracks. Wooden logs of the railway line have already lived its life but no efforts were ever made to replace the same, which could result in a tragedy anytime. The residential quarters and railway station buildings are also crying for repair.

Besides, almost all 33 railway stations of the Kangra valley railway line lack basic facilities like drinking water, cleanliness and waiting rooms for passengers.

Patti, Chauntra, Paror and Chamunda railway stations have no room for the passengers to sit. These stations also do not even have a temporary shed to save the passengers from unpredictable weather.

Family quarters of railway employees are on the verge of collapse. No senior officer of the Railways bothers to visit the track.

The Kangra valley attracts lakhs of tourists every year. If the rail services are improved and better amenities are provided to the passengers, tourist inflow would rise, which in turn would help in improving the economic condition of the state. It would not only make it convenient for the residents and tourists but also add to the revenue of the Railways.


Source: Tribune

[barrykul]

Indian Railways - bio-diesel

Indian Railways is likely to procure bio-diesel at Rs 31.34 a litre, which is about Rs 3-3.50 lower than the price it currently pays for high-speed diesel. Railways had floated a tender in the second half of 2007 to procure 50,000 kilo litres of bio-diesel.

Initially, Railways plans to use bio-diesel at ten per cent blending levels in all its 38 mainline locomotive sheds on a pilot basis. “If the project is successful, the blending levels can be moved further up,” said sources.

The Railways’ move to blend 10 per cent of bio-diesel is being viewed as an energy management strategy. With an annual consumption of 2.27 million kilo litres of high-speed diesel (HSD), Railways is the single-largest high-speed diesel user in the country.

Railways, which uses a mix of diesel and electric traction, moves about half of its passenger traffic and 38 per cent of freight traffic using diesel. In 2008-09, while on one hand Railways has been hit by the fuel price hike by about Rs 560 crore, it has also seen a significant reduction in the extent of discount it received from oil marketing firms.

In the current calendar year, it receives a discount of Rs 150 a kilolitre of HSD from oil marketing firms, over and above the rate at which the oil companies dispatch HSD to their retail outlets.

This is much lower than the Rs 1,125.27 a kilolitre discount that Railways enjoyed in 2007 and 2006.

For HSD procurement, the Railways enters into rate contracts with various oil marketing companies for the year.

The rate is generally the same for all companies and when finalised, the Ministry informs all zonal railways about the agreed rate.

[Euromast]

Originally Posted by MxC

So there is some progress on the modernization plan of New Delhi railway station. I know there was a news on this in HT sometimes back. But there was hardly any plan in it to give an idea about what to expect. Does someone have any plans related information that they can share here?

New Delhi station to be equipped with hi-tech lighting system

NEW DELHI: Aiming to convert New Delhi Railway Station as an urban icon, the Rail Ministry is planning to equip the station with world class lighting system.


"The lighting is an integral part of the station architecture and it has to be coordinated with other elements of the proposed world class New Delhi railway station," a senior official said.

The intelligent lighting system will be introduced for automatic switching of light fixtures to achieve maximum energy saving," said the official.

There will be retail outlets, restaurants, currency exchange counters, cyber cafes, banking with ATM facilities, car rentals at the New Delhi railways station.

Major players, including GMR, DLF, L&T, Reliance and ADAG, have shown keen interest in the Rs 6,000 crore redevelopment of New Delhi railway station project. We have to short list six bidders by the first week of August for the next stage of bidding," the official said.

[MxC]

Heritage on Wheels to fold up

If you were planning a ride on Heritage on Wheels, better make it before December 31. For, that is when this luxury train, which runs between Bikaner and the Shekhawati region of Rajasthan, will chug for the last time.

Buoyed by the runaway success of Palace on Wheels, Indian Railways and Rajasthan Tourism Development Corporation (RTDC) signed a memorandum of understanding to run Heritage on Wheels on the meter gauge in early 2006. The idea was that this would open up for both domestic and foreign tourists regions that were not being covered by the Palace on Wheels.

It was planned as a three-night-four-day trip with the train leaving Jaipur twice a week. It first goes to the Shekhawati region, famous for its colourful havelis and frescoes, which makes the place a sort of open-air art gallery. And from there, it travels to Bikaner. The whole experience sets you back by Rs 12,500.

But this did not find many takers: it's occupancy hovered around 30%. The 72-berth train, with its heritage feel, two restaurants - Maharaja and Maharani - and a well-stocked bar cost the railways Rs 9 crore. However, it never came anywhere near making profits.

To make matters worse, the railways is now converting the tracks after Shekhawati to broad gauge, which means the train's journey will have to be terminated there. And this would mean even fewer customers.

The Indian Railway Catering and Tourism Corporation (IRCTC) has now been given the task of finding a solution to Heritage on Wheels. Pradeep Dhiman, deputy general manager (tourism) of IRCTC, said, "We are looking at various options that would make maintenance of the cabins self-sustaining. Talks are on with several hotels, including some at Jaipur like the Taj, Rajputana Sheraton and Clarks Amer, to use the coaches of this train as a bar or restaurant or even to put up guests during peak season for an out-of-the-ordinary experience."

IRCTC may lease out the heritage train to one of these hotels or a tour operator for Rs 1 lakh a month per coach. If this doesn't work, it could park the train at some prominent station and run it as a food plaza or a restaurant.

Hey, I wasn't even aware of such a train!

[phaedrus]

me neither!

[Euromast]