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Old June 4th, 2008, 07:45 PM   #1
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NEW YORK | 15 Penn Plaza | 371m | 1216ft | 68 fl | On Hold

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THE DEVELOPERS OF THE EMPIRE STATE BUILDING AND THE PROPOSED 15 PENN PLAZA, DESIGNED BY PELLI CLARK PELLI, ARE FIGHTING OVER THE FUTURE OF THE LATTER.
Source: http://archpaper.com/news/articles.asp?id=4786


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Steve Roth Wants to Carve Moynihan Entrance Out of Garden Theater
by Eliot Brown | June 4, 2008 | Tags: Real EstateJames DolanMadison Square GardenMoynihan StationSteve RothVornado Realty Trust

Vornado Realty Trust.
Vornado's proposed tower for its Hotel Pennsylvania site by Penn Station.


Vornado Realty Trust CEO Steve Roth told investors Tuesday that he wants to redo Penn Station in a scaled-back version of the grand Moynihan Station plan, moving Madison Square Garden’s WaMu theater out of the arena structure to make way for a large train station entrance hall.

Despite a push by Vornado and co-developer Related Companies to keep the larger-scale project alive via government support, Mr. Roth indicated he considers that scenario unlikely.

“[We] basically feel that something good is going to happen,” he said. “Either that the governments are going to get their acts together, which they probably will not, or ... we have with Madison Square Garden a Plan B, which is they stay where they are, we take out the theater, we—underneath the seating bowl of the arena—put a new grand entrance to Eighth Avenue and a new grand entrance to the station on Seventh Avenue, and what that will do is create a grand train station. Not quite as grand as moving it, but pretty nice. Actually, spectacularly nice.”

The large-scale plan has undergone numerous twists and turns, and the developers have recently been pushing the Paterson administration, via the Port Authority, to buy Madison Square Garden and its air rights so as to move the project forward before the Garden renovates.

Should the state not agree to such a move, which could cost nearly $2 billion, it seems the focus will turn to how best to renovate the existing Penn Station, and, from the point of view of the developers, how any air rights might be able to be captured from those improvements.

Further, Mr. Roth said that the "Plan B" would add just as much value to Vornado’s property as if the original plan went forward.

“Our company’s principal interest in what happens with this Moynihan, Madison Square Garden, et cetera deal is to improve the value and increase the value of our adjacent eight million feet, which we believe we can do equally as well with Plan A or Plan B,” he said.
I don't know the exact height of this proposal, but One Penn Plaza, the black building to the right of the new tower, is 750 feet tall.

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Old June 4th, 2008, 07:52 PM   #2
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would be another perfect addition for Midtown
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Old June 4th, 2008, 08:00 PM   #3
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Looks kinda similar to the BofA Tower, but it looks good with the rest of mid-town
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Old June 4th, 2008, 08:09 PM   #4
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nice one, go NYC!
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Old June 4th, 2008, 08:28 PM   #5
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i'd welcome this tower immediately
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Old June 4th, 2008, 09:11 PM   #6
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Looks nice, I would love to see bigger renders.
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Old June 4th, 2008, 09:29 PM   #7
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Yeah, they said that there would be a supertall with the current plan. Makes sense.
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Old June 4th, 2008, 09:33 PM   #8
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It's perfect!.
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Old June 4th, 2008, 09:43 PM   #9
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I'm not too happy about this...
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Old June 4th, 2008, 09:45 PM   #10
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why?
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Old June 4th, 2008, 11:03 PM   #12
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Because... building this would mean demolishing the century old Pennsylvania Hotel. Anyway, this proposal is quite unlikely to go through, taking into consideration the significance of the Pennsylvania Hotel and the current real estate market; there really isn't an inherent need for this building.
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Old June 4th, 2008, 11:08 PM   #13
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ok, i don't live in NY so i've no problem with demolishing the old hotel
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from what i see so far, this would be an awsome,... New York City...!!, skyscraper...!!!!

Who's the architect...?
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Looks Amazing! Although im not sure if i would want this over the old hotel
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Because... building this would mean demolishing the century old Pennsylvania Hotel. Anyway, this proposal is quite unlikely to go through, taking into consideration the significance of the Pennsylvania Hotel and the current real estate market; there really isn't an inherent need for this building.
I haven't kept up too closely with this, but Vornado owns the Hotel Pennsylvania, and I believe it has enough air rights to build the tower. The main concern is economics. Vornado would probably want to get an anchor tenant before proceeding.
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I haven't kept up too closely with this, but Vornado owns the Hotel Pennsylvania, and I believe it has enough air rights to build the tower. The main concern is economics. Vornado would probably want to get an anchor tenant before proceeding.
I hear Lehman Bros. is interested in leasing a section of the new tower, but because of their current situation, not to mention their plummeting share price, the chances of this happening grow smaller everyday.
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Old June 4th, 2008, 11:19 PM   #18
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Nice building, New York needs more of these tall, new, modern towers.
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The LPC also confirmed that it will not be holding a hearing for the possible landmark designation for ol'e Penn so it's only a matter of time before it gets the boot. I hate seeing handsome old buildings go while most of the trash from recent decades go untouched...
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Old June 4th, 2008, 11:26 PM   #20
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the hotel is indeed "old", as are the rooms I say.
Only plus is that it has a LOT of rooms (thouhgt around the number of 1000)! Stayed there in 2004 when i was in NYC..
It a big block and with its location between all things its bound to be develloped sometime (maybe soon and maybe later)
This proposal based on the pics shown looks pretty goog to me!
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