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Old May 20th, 2010, 04:50 AM   #201
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http://www.observer.com/2010/politic...tel-penn-tower
Stringer Likes Vornado’s Hotel Penn Tower

By Eliot Brown
May 19, 2010



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Steve Roth's plan for what would be the city's third tallest tower, across from Penn Station on the site of the current Hotel Pennsylvania, just got a boost, as Borough President Scott Stringer on Wednesday gave his conditional approval for the proposal.

The planned 1,200-foot skyscraper—which is theoretical in that it would not likely be built until Vornado is able to get a tenant some unknown number of years down the road—was delivered a near-unanimous (non-binding) rejection by the community board last month, with members citing too much density and discontentment over the transit benefits being offered by the developer. Had Mr. Stringer given a negative recommendation as well, the tower would likely have faced something of a political climb to get through the City Council.

But Mr. Stringer was on board with the concept of a large office tower on the site, and his recommendations pertained mostly to pedestrian flow issues, open space and a number of smaller issues that are likely surmountable.

From the recommendation:

The proposed development represents a unique opportunity to encourage high-density transit-oriented development, strengthen the nation's largest central business district, and improve local and regional mass-transit systems. The scale of the proposed project is consistent with buildings in the surrounding area and the City's development goals and policies, and is appropriate for the development site.

The plan for the tower, named 15 Penn Plaza, now goes to the City Planning Commission and then to the City Council.

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Old May 20th, 2010, 07:00 AM   #202
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I'm not sure how I feel about the design. It doesn't really look like supertall material to me, probably would look better if it were closer to around 800' Ft.
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Old May 20th, 2010, 04:56 PM   #203
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I'm not sure how I feel about the design. It doesn't really look like supertall material to me, probably would look better if it were closer to around 800' Ft.
It looks pretty nice to me.


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Old May 20th, 2010, 05:06 PM   #204
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I'll bet that Morgan Stanley becomes the chief tenant of this tower.
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Old May 20th, 2010, 05:18 PM   #205
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I'm not sure how I feel about the design. It doesn't really look like supertall material to me, probably would look better if it were closer to around 800' Ft.
the last thing NYC needs is another 800ft tower! build the supertalls - now!
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Old May 20th, 2010, 07:57 PM   #206
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It looks pretty nice to me.

I am not a fan of the bigger pedestal/base. Tall towers look better when they look like tall towers, not trophy stands.
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Old May 20th, 2010, 10:21 PM   #207
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I like the skinner of the two. The base doesn't bother me in the less. Since this years down the road I won't put to much stock in it.
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Old May 21st, 2010, 12:38 AM   #208
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i like the one with the podium more, but they need to make the podium suit the tower more!
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It doesn't look NYish, IMO. Looks too much like Torre Gran Costanera in Santiago.
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Old May 21st, 2010, 03:38 AM   #210
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I'm not sure how I feel about the design. It doesn't really look like supertall material to me, probably would look better if it were closer to around 800' Ft.
i agree 100% the location isnt right its off center and too close to the esb in my opinion, it should be a little shorter id say. Something thats just about as tall as the esb and right next to it should be world class in design if something is going to be built there.
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Old May 21st, 2010, 03:49 AM   #211
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It doesn't look NYish, IMO. Looks too much like Torre Gran Costanera in Santiago.
Looks like Jersey City material , i like the right one more. But it still doesn't fit in with Midtown Manhattan Style.
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What you guys have to realize is that the west side of Manhattan is going to explode with tall buildings over the next few decades, so you might as well get used to the reoriented skyline.
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What you guys have to realize is that the west side of Manhattan is going to explode with tall buildings over the next few decades, so you might as well get used to the reoriented skyline.
Im not so sure about that , its seems to be Lower Manhattan and the NJ Gold Coast. Over the past 10 years those 2 areas have exploded with modern Buildings.
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please read the post before commenting nonsense.
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please read the post before commenting nonsense.
Theres no space , and theres alot of Historic Buildings , so i don't see it happening. Unlike other parts of NYC or across the River. Maybe on the Rail Yards and a few others. But not a mass building of Modern Skyscrapers. I have a feeling this building might end up over one of the Rail pits next to MSG. But thats just my opinion , NYC is very unpredictable ,but lately some neighborhoods have been protesting new buildings.
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Theres no space , and theres alot of Historic Buildings , so i don't see it happening. Unlike other parts of NYC or across the River. Maybe on the Rail Yards and a few others. But not a mass building of Modern Skyscrapers. I have a feeling this building might end up over one of the Rail pits next to MSG. But thats just my opinion , NYC is very unpredictable ,but lately some neighborhoods have been protesting new buildings.
You don't know what you are talking about. Please, stop.
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Theres no space , and theres alot of Historic Buildings , so i don't see it happening. Unlike other parts of NYC or across the River. Maybe on the Rail Yards and a few others. But not a mass building of Modern Skyscrapers. I have a feeling this building might end up over one of the Rail pits next to MSG. But thats just my opinion , NYC is very unpredictable ,but lately some neighborhoods have been protesting new buildings.
Yeah dude, what the hell are you talking about? There are HUGE plans for redevelopment on the west side, not just on the hudson yards.
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I walk by that area every month , i live across the River. I think i know what i'm talking about. + I believe that site is the site of the Historic Hotel Pennsylvania. But if it does get built , it will be built over the pit. Unless you live around the NYC Metro don't tell me , I don't know what i'm talking about. I have all the plans , there just plans atm .......although there is alot of small one story places that building could be placed on. I don't think if its built it would be in the place its being shown. Keep in mind i scan the entire Region for projects , but in the past few years alot of projects like these have been discussed to the bone and nothing has happened or it was canceled. New Yorkers are very against destorying Historic landmarks , we've already destoried alot of our history.
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New Yorkers are very against destorying Historic landmarks , we've already destoried alot of our history.
Yes but in 100 years these buildings will become historic themselves
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Yes but in 100 years these buildings will become historic themselves
LOL , true....but Hotel Pennsylvania is the last part of Historic Penn Station that is still standing and i hate to see it go. Can't they just build it somewhere else there are numerous locations better then 15 Penn Plaza.
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