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Old June 20th, 2010, 01:12 AM   #241
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http://www.dnainfo.com/20100616/manh...l-pennsylvania

City Will Vote July 14 on Plan to Raze Hotel Pennsylvania
The City Planning Commission will vote on whether to allow Vornado to turn the Pennsylvania Hotel into a 67-story office tower.



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The Hotel Pennsylvania, one of the most storied hotels in the city, where the Glenn Miller Orchestra and Duke Ellington once played, could soon be closing its doors to make way for office floors and trading space.

Despite fierce opposition to the plan by Community Board 5 and area residents, the City Planning Commission is set to make a decision on whether the project will move forward on July 14.

Under the plan, the 22-story, 1,700-room hotel, which stands around the corner from Madison Square Garden and Penn Station, would be razed to make way for a 67-story office tower.

The project, known as 15 Penn Plaza, would also include moving several subway entrances and re-opening an underground passageway under the south side of 33rd Street that would connect the Sixth and Seventh Ave. subway lines and the PATH trains.

The project is slated to be completed by 2014, according to an environmental impact statement filed with the planning commission.

Midtown resident Gregory Jones, who has spent more than three years fighting Vornado Realty Trust's plans, says that losing the hotel would be a huge blow to New York's history.

"I look around New York City and all I see is new buildings going up. What I don't see is New York of old, the old history, the old buildings," said Jones, who leads the Save The Hotel Pennsylvania Foundation.

"They don't care about our history," he said of Vornado, which acquired full rights to the hotel in 1999 and refused to comment on the project — its second attempt to develop the site.

When the hotel opened its doors in 1919, it was rumored to be the largest in the world. It boasted the world’s first “high rise” elevators and drew top entertainers, according to a Community Board 5 Landmarks Committee review.

In April, the board sent a letter to the Chair of the Department of City Planning urging the committee to vote against the project, citing concerns over overcrowding, traffic and noise.

They also maintained it would "set a troubling precedent and a tipping point for future development in the area."

But Borough President Scott Stringer overruled the Board, announcing his "conditional approval" of the project in May.

The site is "an excellent location for high density commercial growth," he maintained.

In 2007, the board's Landmarks Committee tried to landmark the building, but its petition was denied by the city's Landmarks Preservation Commission in February the next year, the New York Observer reported at the time.

As of now, the building's fate is up in the air.

If the plan is approved by the City Planning Commission, it will then have to be reviewed by the City Council, Wally Rubin, district manager of Community Board 5, said.

But Jones is expecting the worst. "The outlook looks really bleak," he said. "This is a done deal, I think."

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Old June 20th, 2010, 02:35 AM   #242
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I think its terrible to demolish that building. It should've been added to the preservation list. I'm all for new developments, but not at the sake of demolishing such a great building. It's one thing if its dilapidated, vacant, etc. But there is nothing wrong with that hotel building. Tragic.
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Old June 20th, 2010, 03:43 AM   #243
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I think its terrible to demolish that building...
I agree with you. However, it is a lost cause. This hotel will be demolished, and I have a very strong feeling that the developer has an agreed upon deal with Morgan Stanley which is looking for over 1m sf.
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I don't agree I wont that trash out of my city out with the old in with the new
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Old June 20th, 2010, 05:34 AM   #245
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I don't agree I wont that trash out of my city out with the old in with the new
You call that trash??? Whats next the ESB, Chrysler, Flatiron...
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Old June 20th, 2010, 05:57 AM   #246
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You people talk as if hotel Penn is the Waldorf Astoria and it isn't it just a old ass building which doesn't make it great
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Old June 20th, 2010, 06:46 AM   #247
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I think its terrible to demolish that building. It should've been added to the preservation list. I'm all for new developments, but not at the sake of demolishing such a great building. It's one thing if its dilapidated, vacant, etc. But there is nothing wrong with that hotel building. Tragic.
Have you ever stayed there? I have, more than once ... it really is a tired, old, worn out brick hotel with tiny rooms.

I am all for historic preservation. I live in an old Victorian house which I am restoring. I believe in recycling older buildings. This one is beyond redemption. Yes, the Ionic colonnade in the front is nice, but the rest is rather ugly, decrepit, boring. The only thing it has going for it is the popular Glen Miller song about it.
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Old June 20th, 2010, 07:28 AM   #248
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It would be nice to preserve the front of the building and incorporate it into the new tower. A similar thing is being done for an new apartment highrise in my hometown.
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I said the samething a few pages back. But as Aizen said the rest of it has to go
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Does anyone have a high quality render of the tower? I need it for a presentation, thanks.
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It would be nice to preserve the front of the building and incorporate it into the new tower. A similar thing is being done for an new apartment highrise in my hometown.
Something like this?
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It's a great tower and a perfect addition for NYC. but I'm still waiting for the first dynamic modern skyscraper for New York city like for example the Shanghai Tower. All the towers that have been build, or are being build are squary (is that a word?), they consist of boxes or other polyhedra figures. A smooth, round skyscraper like Shangai Tower would be just lovely for the city.
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i don't think that a tower like the shanghai tower would suit new york, i think that squarish buildings are what make new york. leave the round buildings to the other cities, new york just needs some better designed square buildings( if that makes sense lol)
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Old June 25th, 2010, 01:30 PM   #254
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Yes, save the facade and build the tower on top. That would be an excellent mix of old and new. Saving and respecting your history is important. The architecture in itself is a very big part of the history of the city. Its this type of architecture which also gives the city its face.
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Yes because there is proof it can work in NYC with the hearst tower.They kept that original facade and thats one of my favourite buildings in NYC
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Its a hotel so I dont care about its history. I just think the front would look good, to bad there knocking the whole the to hell.
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I don't know how i feel about having such a tall building so close to the empire state building.
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Its a hotel so I dont care about its history. I just think the front would look good, to bad there knocking the whole the to hell.
imo either renovated it so that it can support a new tower on top or build the new building with similar facade might appease the nimbys yea trying to preserve history is cool not to the extent that stops progress. these are the same *******s who constantly bitch about america not being #1 but they want america to turn into their fantasy of the 1950's.
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the hearst building was the stump of a never built skyscraper. going taller on top of it was logical because all of the enginering was already in place. doing something similar with the penn would be cost prohibitive.
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