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Old August 25th, 2010, 08:24 PM   #381
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http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...ado-tower.html
New York City Council Land Use Committee Approves Vornado Tower

August 25, 2010
By Henry Goldman and David M. Levitt


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A New York City council committee approved Vornado Realty Trust’s plans for a 1,200-foot (366- meter) Manhattan skyscraper that’s opposed by the owners of the nearby Empire State Building.

The council’s land use committee approved the tower by a vote of 19-1, with two members abstaining. The building will be voted on by the full council later this afternoon.

Amazingly, in a recession, Midtown is getting at least three 300+m buildings with a fourth (225 W 57th) in the works!




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Old August 25th, 2010, 08:29 PM   #382
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Wooowww! Great news!

I am very happy that New York will gain three new buildings - super tall!
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Old August 25th, 2010, 08:35 PM   #383
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Isn't this building tied in with the renovation of Penn Station ? I know about the pedestrian tunnel, I mean a more extensive renovation.
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Old August 25th, 2010, 08:45 PM   #384
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No. That was a different proposal. Now that it has full approval, this tower simply needs an anchor tenant, and there are a lot in NY looking for 1m sf.
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Old August 25th, 2010, 09:12 PM   #385
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It is a pity that Hotel Pennsylvania which in my mind is a historic building is being demolished for such a crappy tower. It was build by McKim, Mead & White opposite the Pennsylvania station also by the same company. station was demolished and now 40 years later we want to rebuild something there since we do need a feasible public trasportation system. I guess 40 years from now someone will say that hotel should be rebuild as well. honestly I find nothing so amazing about this new project. Yes it is tall, but it is boring as hell. 366 meters is not such a big deal anymore - China builds them a a matter of course. So i see no reason for such a big exitment over it.
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Old August 25th, 2010, 09:23 PM   #386
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Old August 25th, 2010, 09:54 PM   #387
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Well the Empire State building will have to have taller neighbors someday!
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Old August 25th, 2010, 10:01 PM   #388
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Oh please.. Hotel Pennsylvania has no architectural value whatsoever. That entrance is the only semi-decent thing about the building. In real life it is a boring grey box with minimal architectural details, and the interior sucks big time. Small windows and rooms make it look like a renovated jail rather than a hotel.




All I see in this thread is a lot of butthurt from NJ crowd who are against it because it will block their view of ESB. If you want some great views of ESB so much why don't you relocate to New York City? You don't even pay taxes here so you don't decide jack shit. This and other high rise development projects on the West side will bring $$$ to the city and thats that. If you want to have ESB views, New Jersey should just buy the air rights on the West side of ESB and introduce ESB tax in the state, the revenue of which will go right into NYC coffers, then you might have a point.

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NYC is too expensive , even New Yorkers are moving over to Jersey in droves. If you don't beleave me go to City-Data.com. It seems the developers of the project have a bad history of starting projects and not finishing them......they left an area of blight in Boston.
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That hotel is doomed. End of story. Bank of America is looking for 1 million sq. ft. and this tower presents an opportunity. As leases expire and companies jockey for space in new towers with state of the art infrastructure and others find bargains in older buildings, there may well be REVERSE MIGRATION of firms out of NJ.
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When I was in NYC in 2006 I lived in that hotel. And soon it will be history. That's sick. But beside the lobby there is really nothing special in this building.
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Shit yes it's approved! Time to change the thread title.
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Looks like the Empire State is going to get some serious company!
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If they get another ~1200 footer roughly the same distance to the east, any worries about the skyline will disappear.
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Hotel Pennsylvania is a borderline ugly building. I'm glad they're razing that filth!

I'm excited over this gleaming new tower for NYC!

NYC has lots of really tall buildings proposed and under construction. The city will look magnificent in a few years when they're up!!!! Can't wait!
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Old August 26th, 2010, 02:34 AM   #396
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NYC has lots of really tall buildings proposed and under construction. The city will look magnificent in a few years when they're up!!!! Can't wait!
The city already looks magnificent.
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If they get another ~1200 footer roughly the same distance to the east, any worries about the skyline will disappear.
The balance will be strange, the east side have more towers, but the west side have the taller ones.
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That hotel is doomed. End of story. Bank of America is looking for 1 million sq. ft. and this tower presents an opportunity. As leases expire and companies jockey for space in new towers with state of the art infrastructure and others find bargains in older buildings, there may well be REVERSE MIGRATION of firms out of NJ.
Well NYC is the main HQ and the larger HQ is in NJ. Most NJ companies have been in Jersey for decades and aren't the kinds that would move to NY.
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we did it gentlemen
i was worried they would chop the height in half

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Approval is official

As handbanana said: it has been approved. From the BBC:

A new 67-storey skyscraper has won the approval of the New York authorities despite efforts to stop the construction by the owner of the Empire State Building. The full city council backed the 15 Penn Plaza by a 47-1 vote.

The office building will stand nearly as tall as the 102-storey Empire State Building (ESB), two blocks away. ESB owner Anthony Malkin had argued the new building would ruin the "uniqueness" of the city's skyline. But New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg said Manhattan should embrace new investments, adding: "Anybody that builds a building in New York City changes its skyline.

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The new skyscraper will stand 1,190ft-tall (363m). Its development is still in the planning stages.
Note that the design (which I like) is not final. An editorial in todays NYTimes notes this as one of their concerns. Unfortunately, I cannot seem to find the link.
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