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Old August 11th, 2011, 12:01 AM   #701
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1,146 feet or what ever the shortest design is.
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Old August 11th, 2011, 12:10 AM   #702
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Pretty sure the final design for this tower or at least the one most likely to be built is 1216 feet... and I agree, a very low floor count for a tower that size but at least it's huge
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Old August 11th, 2011, 12:12 AM   #703
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I've never heard of the 1146 ft number before. I've only seen 1198 and 1216 ft. Do you remember where you got the 1146 number?
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Old August 11th, 2011, 12:24 AM   #704
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1,146 feet or what ever the shortest design is.
It's dependent upon whether or not Vornado gets a single tenant for this building or multiple. The multiple tenant version is the taller one, the single tenant version is shorter but will still be 1,198 feet I think. The single version will be the one where the tower sits directly on 7th avenue, creating a 1,198 foot sheer walk going up, while the multiple one, the tower will sit in the middle of the block.

Both versions are very much still possible. Again it depends on what the tenant situation turns out to be. And both have been approved.
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Old August 11th, 2011, 11:25 AM   #705
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I've never heard of the 1146 ft number before. I've only seen 1198 and 1216 ft. Do you remember where you got the 1146 number?
1198 and 1216 are pretty damn close. I figure it was shorter and for some reason I thought it was 1146. I could have been thinking of another building. All I knew is it won't be fat
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Old August 12th, 2011, 10:22 PM   #706
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Whatever the amount of feet this supertall is it will make a major impact on the Midtown skyline!
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Old August 15th, 2011, 10:16 PM   #707
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It will be the first building to challenge esb!
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Old August 15th, 2011, 11:08 PM   #708
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Hopefully by the end of our lifetimes, the ESB will have been dominated any and everywhere around it by taller, beautiful buildings
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Old August 16th, 2011, 12:02 AM   #709
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Hopefully by the end of our lifetimes, the ESB will have been dominated any and everywhere around it by taller, beautiful buildings
I hope it is matched by other buildings, and ends up in a mix of buildings it's size and larger. Some people think it has to dominate NYC to upkeep it's historic value. Look at big Ben and the parliament building, look at the Chicago post office. Are they historic landmarks of coarse. Do they dominate? Hell no! Theres nothing more stimulating to the progression of mankind than excepting innovation. And I think most people on the forums truly understand that.
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Old August 16th, 2011, 08:15 AM   #710
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The London parliament still dominates its surrounding area. Not quite a useful comparison here.
And what has Chicago's post office to do with that? It was never meant to dominate anything, unlike Tribune or Wrigley Tower for example (which would have been a far more comprehensible comparison).


I think NYC should watch its historical back more carefully. Of course it should get aesthetically pleasing modern towers, but Manhattan's classical beauties need their space to be appreciated. There should be enough room for them. I'm not in favour of having modern towers all around ESB or Chrysler, so you could hardly recognize them anymore. Rather replace all those 60s and 70s brutalist monstrosities please.

The proposed 15 Penn Plaza design is okay, but in no way a match to ESB. It should be built elsewhere - or someone comes up with a more striking design.
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Old August 16th, 2011, 12:21 PM   #711
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Can you imagine how badass it would look, if they build tall towers around the ESB, and let it have an impact on the skyline, like now lets say 40 Wall street has on lower Manhattan's? I'd like to see the whole area, from the length of the library, all the way down to 34th, packed with skyscrapers and some well designed decent supertalls. The 80 years, that the ESB has reigned over this area, should be finally over. NYC is not a museum, allthough i agree with you when it comes to a degree of conservation.
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Old August 16th, 2011, 04:21 PM   #712
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Everybody needs to calm down here... Even if they ever did fully surround ESB with supertalls we will all be dead by then... At most within the next 30 years I think there will be 3 supertalls near ESB with 15 Penn being one of them. You can appreciate the beauty of ESB and think that is the right amount. It would be cool if new York starts a new cluster which they could be doing at the Hudson railway bit.
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...I think NYC should watch its historical back more carefully. Of course it should get aesthetically pleasing modern towers, but Manhattan's classical beauties need their space to be appreciated. There should be enough room for them. I'm not in favour of having modern towers all around ESB or Chrysler, so you could hardly recognize them anymore. Rather replace all those 60s and 70s brutalist monstrosities please.

The proposed 15 Penn Plaza design is okay, but in no way a match to ESB. It should be built elsewhere - or someone comes up with a more striking design.
I'd argue that the Woolworth Building is far more aesthetically pleasing than the ESB, even though the ESB is more symbolic. Should we then give the Woolworth a five block radius of no competition? That would mean no 30 Park Place, maybe no Beekman, no western WTC, maybe no GS HQ, no 7 WTC, etc. And who would be the judge of what is or isn't worthy of this historic buffer zone? And how big would the zone be? The ESB is only a few blocks from the busiest train station in the country, with surrounding blocks zoned for huge office/residential buildings that are worth billions because of these assets. What do you do there?

Sorry if I'm being harsh, but when this was going through the approval stages this is all we heard. The city realizes that this type of building will likely be home to a large financial institution, that will employ hundreds of well paid individuals, who will pay taxes in this city, not to mention Vornado agreed to millions of dollars of renovations to the surrounding subway. NY is not a museum, that sort of mind set would force businesses out of the city. If you don't like it, then I suggest you come to NY, take a bunch of photos of the ESB, and pretend that this won't be built.
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Old August 16th, 2011, 07:24 PM   #714
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It would be quite nice if they'd plan building heights is such a way that it would create a sort of bowl shaped parameter with esb spiring in the middle...
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Old August 16th, 2011, 09:50 PM   #715
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Well, no matter Anyones opinion, you have to realize the days of esb's dominating pinnacle are numbered. Don't be upset when 15 Penn and others share the spotlight.
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Old August 16th, 2011, 10:50 PM   #716
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Oh believe me i won't Happy with Penn's design. Was just thinking how you could use high buildings to compliment esb.
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Old August 17th, 2011, 04:45 AM   #717
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Oh believe me i won't Happy with Penn's design. Was just thinking how you could use high buildings to compliment esb.
I meant erbse.
I can see you're enthusiastic about this as well as I am.
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Old August 18th, 2011, 10:06 PM   #718
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It is the natural way of skycrapers to rise higher and higher. ESB itself wouldn't be built with a NIMBY approach because of CHB. I am looking forward to the time when we'll see beautiful huge towers next to ESB. Besides, in this picture both 15 and ESB look so beautiful together:

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Old August 18th, 2011, 10:28 PM   #719
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Old August 18th, 2011, 11:02 PM   #720
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Funny how some people here talk about ESB as if it was an iconic building. I don't think it is any different than any of the new buildings in the area, specially the new ones on 6th Ave.
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