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ElVoltageDR · July 20th, 2008, 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by I hate Piolo Alot XDDDDD

its proximity to ESB will draw attention away from ESB. thats gonna hurt it badly.

please dont go through

I'm sure that such an iconic building will lose attention just because they build another tall building close by... Why so serious?

boomboom · July 20th, 2008, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by ElVoltageDR

I'm sure that such an iconic building will lose attention just because they build another tall building close by... Why so serious?

Because its happend before?

Basincreek · July 20th, 2008, 07:02 AM

But why should that be such a development hindrance? Why should the midtown region be off limits to new supertalls just because of the presence of the Empire State?

philvia · July 20th, 2008, 03:10 PM

it shouldn't

July 20th, 2008, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Basincreek

Why should the midtown region be off limits to new supertalls just because of the presence of the Empire State?

I feel that allowing supertalls will compliment the ESB on the skyline.

ElVoltageDR · July 20th, 2008, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by I hate Piolo Alot XDDDDD

Because its happend before?

Where exactly?

Densetsu · July 20th, 2008, 08:30 PM

This is going to be great next to ESB.

boomboom · July 21st, 2008, 11:20 PM

hay guys,Im not saying it wont be built,but I agree that the rules are kinda stupid.

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Originally Posted by ElVoltageDR

Where exactly?

Do you see any really tall buildings around ESB?

ElVoltageDR · July 22nd, 2008, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by I hate Piolo Alot XDDDDD

Do you see any really tall buildings around ESB?

? You said that its happened before and I asked where...

zYgote · July 22nd, 2008, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Basincreek

But why should that be such a development hindrance? Why should the midtown region be off limits to new supertalls just because of the presence of the Empire State?

I can see what they're saying. The ESB looks incredible just towering over the city there by itself. However, I agree that other towers may complement it.

July 22nd, 2008, 08:56 PM

I have never known NY to limit the height of a skyscraper (that's why so many people love NY).

I say build 'em as high and as dense as possible.

There is an old saying in NY, the sky's the limit!

Christian urbanite · July 23rd, 2008, 07:29 PM

Besides, I'm sure one day a tower even taller than the Empire State Building will be built in Midtown. With the limited amount of space in Manhattan and the high desirability to live there, the city will be forced to build skyscrapers far taller than the Empire State Building.

metsfan · July 25th, 2008, 05:12 AM

Why are people so bent on destroying the historic hotel? Also, why do they keep trying to divide penn station into a massive multi-block station that is de-centralized and harder to navigate? For people who actually USE this area for transportation its just another wind tunnel effect generating building in place of a beautiful old hotel. I mean, if you gotta do something, at least keep the skin of the old hotel, and make the new building a hotel too. Poorly thought out to say the least. I like the design, but... the whole plan for that area.... it's just too dfniuryghfg7653rf for my taste.

- Andy

FM 2258 · July 25th, 2008, 05:46 AM

I like it but they should make it at least 1600ft tall.

philvia · July 25th, 2008, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by metsfan

Why are people so bent on destroying the historic hotel?
- Andy

can you name the things that are historic about the place?

July 25th, 2008, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by FM 2258

I like it but they should make it at least 1600ft tall.

I like the way you think!!

Harkeb · July 25th, 2008, 06:40 AM

that are near the Empire needs to be filled up with supertalls. ESB looks lonely

metsfan · July 25th, 2008, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by philvia

can you name the things that are historic about the place?

Um, how many huge old hotels are left in NYC? Have you ever walked by it? I have about 6000+ times The architecture is unique, and it was built by the PRR. It's the only remaining part of what penn station used to be like. Also, it's a VERY affordable hotel with a large guest capacity, and plenty of charm if you give it a freaking chance.

I've booked stays here for travel clients, and they all were shocked when i told them of the efforts of some to have it demolished. I actually have plans to stay here on new year's eve, and it's the only hotel in the entire island of manhattan to have a price under 500 dollars that night.

True, there may be some upkeep issues, but if people don't open their eyes another beautiful remnant of the "golden age" of travel will be gone forever.

- Andy

philvia · July 25th, 2008, 08:23 AM

so is it historic and worth saving because..
a) its old and big?
b) it was designed by the same people who designed penn station?
c) saves you a dime?

none of those really merit "historic"
there's a reason the LPC rejected it

can you believe Maury is filmed in the ballroom? Classy.

the site has huge potential and a glorified dump shouldn't stop it

Kevlargeist · July 26th, 2008, 10:34 PM

I find the design unclassy and rather blatant.. those curves make the tower look somewhat awkward. Personally, I wouldn't want to see this kind of towers to get built in New York. It's not that I'm against modern skyscrapers, that's not the case at all, but this one just doesn't contain the New York feeling. Also, if the Empire State needs company, let it at least have some sophisticated company.

July 25th, 2008, 05:12 AM	#73
metsfan Photographer Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Newtown, PA Posts: 650 Likes (Received): 8	Why are people so bent on destroying the historic hotel? Also, why do they keep trying to divide penn station into a massive multi-block station that is de-centralized and harder to navigate? For people who actually USE this area for transportation its just another wind tunnel effect generating building in place of a beautiful old hotel. I mean, if you gotta do something, at least keep the skin of the old hotel, and make the new building a hotel too. Poorly thought out to say the least. I like the design, but... the whole plan for that area.... it's just too dfniuryghfg7653rf for my taste. - Andy __________________ Lets Go Mets!

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July 20th, 2008, 07:02 AM	#63
Basincreek Contrary Lite Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Tuolumne City, CA Posts: 478 Likes (Received): 1	But why should that be such a development hindrance? Why should the midtown region be off limits to new supertalls just because of the presence of the Empire State?

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fish Guest Posts: n/a Likes (Received):	I have never known NY to limit the height of a skyscraper (that's why so many people love NY). I say build 'em as high and as dense as possible. There is an old saying in NY, the sky's the limit!

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Christian urbanite Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 77 Likes (Received): 0	Besides, I'm sure one day a tower even taller than the Empire State Building will be built in Midtown. With the limited amount of space in Manhattan and the high desirability to live there, the city will be forced to build skyscrapers far taller than the Empire State Building.

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FM 2258 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Austin Posts: 4,479 Likes (Received): 24	I like it but they should make it at least 1600ft tall.

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Harkeb BANNED Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Cape Town, Seoul Posts: 2,674 Likes (Received): 1	that are near the Empire needs to be filled up with supertalls. ESB looks lonely

July 25th, 2008, 08:23 AM	#79
philvia Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Nyc Posts: 1,036 Likes (Received): 0	so is it historic and worth saving because.. a) its old and big? b) it was designed by the same people who designed penn station? c) saves you a dime? none of those really merit "historic" there's a reason the LPC rejected it can you believe Maury is filmed in the ballroom? Classy. the site has huge potential and a glorified dump shouldn't stop it

July 26th, 2008, 10:34 PM	#80
Kevlargeist Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Åbo Posts: 448 Likes (Received): 82	I find the design unclassy and rather blatant.. those curves make the tower look somewhat awkward. Personally, I wouldn't want to see this kind of towers to get built in New York. It's not that I'm against modern skyscrapers, that's not the case at all, but this one just doesn't contain the New York feeling. Also, if the Empire State needs company, let it at least have some sophisticated company.