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Old May 14th, 2012, 06:09 PM   #961
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So we have different POVs, that's apt. But mine remains. ESB and Chrysler being completely hidden in some glassy phallus jungle is just... Deviant.


Both are the world's all-time skyscraper icons. It's like surrounding Eiffel Tower, Statue of Liberty, Taj Mahal, Colosseum or any other globally recognized landmark with taller towers.

NYC's Art Deco masterpieces should finally become UNESCO world heritage. Manhattan's completely ruining it otherwise.
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Old May 14th, 2012, 06:50 PM   #962
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Even though I don't like Chrysler, I agree with you that both should be a part of UNESCO world heritage. They deserve it for they are icons of an extremely important age for architecture
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Old May 15th, 2012, 12:43 AM   #963
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So we have different POVs, that's apt. But mine remains. ESB and Chrysler being completely hidden in some glassy phallus jungle is just... Deviant.


Both are the world's all-time skyscraper icons. It's like surrounding Eiffel Tower, Statue of Liberty, Taj Mahal, Colosseum or any other globally recognized landmark with taller towers.

NYC's Art Deco masterpieces should finally become UNESCO world heritage. Manhattan's completely ruining it otherwise.
Statue of liberty is in a unique position, and was designed to sit in that unique position from the start. If the architects of ESB really intended for it to stand alone for all eternity, the least that they could do is to erect it on an island or peninula in the NY harbor. Any city would experience natural growth over time, horizontally and vertically, one cannot expect that whatever building that is built in a CBD is to be the most prominent feature there into perpetuity.

The Colosseum is a ancient historical and archeological site, which none of the other landmarks really are. Eiffel tower simply resides in a city, within a position, along with Arc de Triumph, Louvre, and other landmarks, where the modern CBD (la Defense) is actually on the opposite end of the main planning axis (Champs-Élysées); so this example has no bearing on what should happen here. I have never been to the Taj Mahal, so can't speak intelligently on that.
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Old May 15th, 2012, 12:55 AM   #964
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You don't like the Chrysler you love to start controversy don't you kanto.
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Old May 15th, 2012, 01:04 AM   #965
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What is there controversial about me stating which buildings I like and which buildings I don't like?
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Old May 15th, 2012, 01:07 AM   #966
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What is there controversial about me stating which buildings I like and which buildings I don't like?
It's the Chrysler building! Its probably the finest example of architecture there is. How could a human being not like it ?
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Old May 15th, 2012, 01:08 AM   #967
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New York has pretty strict landmarking laws - there's the City's Landmarks Preservation Commission and the State's Historic Preservation Office. Both the Chrysler Building and the ESB are City Landmarks and are National Historic Landmarks - so any modifications are strictly limited. I do agree however that the city should do more to save some of its art deco building stock.
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Old May 15th, 2012, 01:12 AM   #968
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It's the Chrysler building! Its probably the finest example of architecture there is. How could a human being not like it ?
In my opinion it has a very ugly crown
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Old May 15th, 2012, 01:19 AM   #969
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Old May 15th, 2012, 01:57 AM   #970
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You don't like the Chrysler you love to start controversy don't you kanto.
I don't like it much either. But my reason are a bit different from his. I'm ESB dude.
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Old May 15th, 2012, 06:05 AM   #971
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It's the Chrysler building! Its probably the finest example of architecture there is. How could a human being not like it ?
It's okay it's okay I feel the exact same way. The Chrysler building is perfection it's far more perfect than the Omega molecule.
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HardBall: Getting into comparisons of those single landmarks was pretty much pointless.

You're right about the builder's intention. Of course they didn't really intend to have ESB & Chrysler standing "alone" in the urban jungle of Manhattan forever.

But on another note... Eiffel Tower was intended to be torn down after World Expo. Things use to change.
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Old May 15th, 2012, 06:57 PM   #973
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I don't like it much either. But my reason are a bit different from his. I'm ESB dude.
I like the ESB more aswell but The Chrysler Building is still beautiful and i love it
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Old May 15th, 2012, 08:26 PM   #974
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Even though I don't like Chrysler, I agree with you that both should be a part of UNESCO world heritage. They deserve it for they are icons of an extremely important age for architecture
Maybe that would happen if UNESCO wasn't a group of anti-american trolls. They've neglected to make virtually anything historic in the US a UNESCO world heritage sight. The Alamo isn't even on there for goodness sakes.

But hopefully one day we'll see a skyscraper on there, I think the Woolworth could be a good competitor as well.
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Old May 15th, 2012, 08:52 PM   #975
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Of course they will be, as (hopefully) they won't ever be torn down. You completely failed to get the point...


If you're fine with NYC losing its main historical landmarks from important vantage points, given. I'm not.

Imagine the Statue of Liberty surrounded and hidden by taller random highrises. Quite an analogy.
It's also one that makes no sense. That's a statue on it's own mini ISLAND.

I love non sequiturs.

I don't know why you don't understand that if we preserve everything there can be no growth, and that's mildly important in a place like NYC. And now you want to preserve particular VIEWS of/on a small island covered with highrises?
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Old May 15th, 2012, 09:40 PM   #976
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Maybe that would happen if UNESCO wasn't a group of anti-american trolls. They've neglected to make virtually anything historic in the US a UNESCO world heritage sight. The Alamo isn't even on there for goodness sakes.

But hopefully one day we'll see a skyscraper on there, I think the Woolworth could be a good competitor as well.
I personaly hate Woolworth but it is an important part of history, so I agree with you that it should be on UNESCO's list too
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I don't know why you don't understand that if we preserve everything there can be no growth, and that's mildly important in a place like NYC. And now you want to preserve particular VIEWS of/on a small island covered with highrises?
NYC/Manhattan can grow elsewhere, it doesn't have to tear down valuable historical buildings and viewing axes.

Why not tear down some of those multiple horrible 50s/60s/70s/80s eyesores? There are enough of them. Get off true historical ground!

They've already destroyed Penn Station, Singer Building, City Insurance, the Drake Hotel and many more... And other gems will follow if it continues this way. Again: There should be limits to density. (Parts of Manhattan are way too crowded already, look at places like Sao Paulo, Hongkong, Tokyo or Shanghai where extreme density leads to...)
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NYC/Manhattan can grow elsewhere, it doesn't have to tear down valuable historical buildings and viewing axes.

Why not tear down some of those multiple horrible 50s/60s/70s/80s eyesores? There are enough of them. Get off true historical ground!

They've already destroyed Penn Station, Singer Building, City Insurance, the Drake Hotel and many more... And other gems will follow if it continues this way. Again: There should be limits to density. (Parts of Manhattan are way too crowded already, look at places like Sao Paulo, Hongkong, Tokyo or Shanghai where extreme density leads to...)
Couldn't agree more. There are so many ugly buildings in Manhattan that could be torn down instead of these historical buildings
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NYC/Manhattan can grow elsewhere, it doesn't have to tear down valuable historical buildings and viewing axes.

Why not tear down some of those multiple horrible 50s/60s/70s/80s eyesores? There are enough of them. Get off true historical ground!

They've already destroyed Penn Station, Singer Building, City Insurance, the Drake Hotel and many more... And other gems will follow if it continues this way. Again: There should be limits to density. (Parts of Manhattan are way too crowded already, look at places like Sao Paulo, Hongkong, Tokyo or Shanghai where extreme density leads to...)
Youre comparing the first and third world essentially. Absolutely invalid comparison. The upper east side is one of the most densely inhabited places on earth, on par with hong kong's most densely populated neighborhoods, yet you can be there and not notice it at all.

Limits on density is retarded, manhattan isn't even predicted to experience significant population gains in the next decades. Manhattan needs no laws protecting its density. While I think it sounds good on paper to destroy 1960s buildings, in terms of practicality that makes no sense. 1960s buildings are much more adapted to modern standards than 1920s buildings.
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And second it isn't just kick the tenants out and destroy the buildings. The 60s buildings are usually occupied, while some 20s buildings are old and empty.
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