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Old July 27th, 2008, 05:12 AM   #81
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I find the design unclassy and rather blatant.. those curves make the tower look somewhat awkward. Personally, I wouldn't want to see this kind of towers to get built in New York. It's not that I'm against modern skyscrapers, that's not the case at all, but this one just doesn't contain the New York feeling. Also, if the Empire State needs company, let it at least have some sophisticated company.
I really think keeping the old skin of the building, keeping the lower floors as the same hotel company and same prices would be a good compromise, oh, the proposed building isn't impressive at all. Something neoclassic or art deco would fit that area very well. How about a steel/glass art deco building above the shell of the current building? You could even make it "green" to offset the power usage by putting solar panels along the south facade.

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Old August 25th, 2008, 02:57 AM   #82
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if the height is 300+ how much taller could it end up being?
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Old August 25th, 2008, 03:58 AM   #83
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I went by the hotel last week and the old facade really is absolutely nothing to write home about. I would be really surprised if they kept it considering how insignificant the architecture really is. Go ahead and demolish it!
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Old August 25th, 2008, 05:12 AM   #84
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Hello, its an historical building
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Old August 25th, 2008, 06:02 AM   #85
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IS VERY GOOD
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Old August 25th, 2008, 01:26 PM   #86
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Hello, its an historical building
Singer was a historical building, this is just an Old building with nothing special other than an ok base with columns.
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Old August 25th, 2008, 11:45 PM   #87
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Singer was a historical building, this is just an Old building with nothing special other than an ok base with columns.
Yep - I agree.
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Old August 26th, 2008, 05:26 AM   #88
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nice scraper. a very good addition near the ESB
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Old December 26th, 2008, 01:55 AM   #89
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Looks like there are some more details about this. Stuff taken from SSP

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Scoping documents have been released, as the approval process for this one is about to begin:

Public Scoping Meeting on the 15 Penn Plaza Project

A public scoping meeting will be held on Tuesday, January 27, 2009 at the New York City Department of City Planning’s Spector Hall,
22 Reade Street, New York, New York, 10007. The meeting will begin at 10 AM. Written comments will be accepted by the lead agency
until Wednesday, February 11, 2009.

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The developers (Vornado) are proposing two development scenarios - single or multi tenant.
The multi tenant tower would be the taller of the two, while the single tenant tower would be
slightly lower (1,119 ft). There is of course the "no build" option, where the developer would build a 580 ft tower.

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Both options would produce a supertall of over 1100 ft :










The gold version is the single tenant option:













The no build alternative:


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Old December 26th, 2008, 06:04 AM   #90
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1225 ft? Nice! Most DEFINETLY a supertall.

As to the proposed demolishing of the Pennsylvania Hotel, just because a building is old doesnt neccesarilly mean that it is historic. The house that I am living in right now was built in 1952. In a few decades it will be as old as Penn. Hotel is now. Should it be preserved? No, because it has no real historic or aesthetic value. Neither does Penn. Hotel, it is just like any other old grey greco-roman classical revival building. If you want to see another BILLION built in exactly the same style, but better, and NOT a hotel, go to any other city on the East Coast.

I like the design of the new building, it might not be the most beautiful broad in all of manhatten, but we shouldn't stop building things just because of a few fond memories of the past. And midtown and uptown need to be developed more anyways, ESB or no ESB.
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Old December 26th, 2008, 10:17 AM   #91
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I don't think this rendering really does it jusitce, it only looks about 1000 feet here, it would dwarf penn plaza in real life.

But anyway, what a beast of a building, I love it, NY is insane.

How likely is this to happen? when is construction supposed to start?
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Old December 26th, 2008, 10:47 AM   #92
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this is fat brother of ICC from the west. LOL
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Old December 26th, 2008, 11:54 AM   #93
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1119 feet = 341.0712 meters

Wow constrcution start in 2010!



Another crazy building N.Y!



many many thanks Malec!
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Old December 26th, 2008, 12:02 PM   #94
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Wavering Vornado Still Pondering Hotel Penn Takedown:
http://www.observer.com/2008/real-es...ard-demolition
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Old December 27th, 2008, 04:08 PM   #95
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365 meter with 66 floors give a high average floor height (over 5 m).
It looks a bit like NY Times but this is a true supertall.
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Old December 27th, 2008, 05:16 PM   #96
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great news, finally a supertall next to the ESB
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Old December 27th, 2008, 07:09 PM   #97
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This building is looking pretty spectacular.

I really hope Vornado decides to build it - in the long-term, it'll reap in far more money than the old Hotel Penn, of course.
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Old December 27th, 2008, 08:23 PM   #98
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What building could be demolished instead of Penn Hotel?

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Old December 27th, 2008, 08:31 PM   #99
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Singer was a historical building, this is just an Old building with nothing special other than an ok base with columns.
And they destroy-it to build a boring box...



At least this look OK
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Old December 29th, 2008, 03:55 AM   #100
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Singer had very small floorplates and was thus unprofitable.

Frankly I don't see anything special in the Penn Hotel and if the only reason anyone wants to save it is because it's old then you need to think through the ramifications of a "keep anything that's old" policy and how it will paint you into a corner in terms of land use.
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