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Old August 29th, 2014, 02:01 AM   #1201
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Could the far bonus mean an increase in height? That could easily put it at the tallest known height in the area (Hudson yards ESB)
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Old August 29th, 2014, 07:17 AM   #1202
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I think the bonus FAR is not to add on to the proposed size and height of the building. That application for the Bonus height is to achieve the current figure for the current proposal.

As of now the FAR, the way it is has a FAR of 15 and if transit improvements are made, Vornado could avail of the bonus and receive a boost to 18 FAR, which i think is the max for this site.

Therefore, with 18 FAR, Vornado can construct the planned 1216ft tower as planned should they choose the multi tenant configuration.

With the single tenant 1,190ft configuration, they would not fully use the Max FAR of 18.
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Old September 3rd, 2014, 04:58 AM   #1203
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Of the Pelli clones around the world, this would easily rank last in attractiveness -- 2 IFC in HK, Salesforce Tower in SF, and Gran Torre in Chile are all superior. But even if this was an improvement, NY shouldn't settle for another re-hash of the only design Pelli seems capable of, especially in such a prominent location. Back to the drawing board, dude.

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Yes, i see that all this towers are very similar. I think i sow some more towers like this. But i don't know, who or what is Pelli ?
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Old September 3rd, 2014, 07:15 AM   #1204
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^ He's the one that designed all of those towers as well as 30 Hudson Street in Jersey City, yet another tapering building with bulging sides. He also designed the Petronas Towers in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia and they are gorgeous!
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Old September 3rd, 2014, 07:18 AM   #1205
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A couple of interesting things filed last week with Dept of Planning land use application system to note for 15 Penn.

1) Seeks FAR bonus for subway and transportation facility improvements

2) Renewal to modify height and setback requirements to construct a commercial building which was approved back in 2010.

Good! It is actually moving somewhere, as long as the ESB owners don't make a stink again. Subway improvements are always a good thing also!
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Old September 3rd, 2014, 01:53 PM   #1206
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Yes, i see that all this towers are very similar. I think i sow some more towers like this. But i don't know, who or what is Pelli ?
Google is you best friend.

(Cesar) Pelli is an architect.
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Old October 26th, 2014, 09:15 PM   #1207
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So what's the news with this tower? Any stirrings since the MAS released their vision for a new garden?
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Old October 27th, 2014, 04:29 AM   #1208
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So what's the news with this tower? Any stirrings since the MAS released their vision for a new garden?
The MSG site is not related to the Penn Plaza site. They're nearby but totally separate ownership and development plans.
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Old October 27th, 2014, 06:19 AM   #1209
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Really? I seemed to me that because Vornado owns the garden plot and the National Railroad Passenger Corporation (Amtrak) owns the Two Penn Plaza Plot and since there is increased pressure to rebuild Penn to it's former glory. It would provide Vornado with the impetus to sell its garden plot to Amtrak and that they would move out of their tower old tower to anchor their new one.
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Old October 28th, 2014, 06:41 AM   #1210
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Really? I seemed to me that because Vornado owns the garden plot and the National Railroad Passenger Corporation (Amtrak) owns the Two Penn Plaza Plot and since there is increased pressure to rebuild Penn to it's former glory. It would provide Vornado with the impetus to sell its garden plot to Amtrak and that they would move out of their tower old tower to anchor their new one.
Vornado doesn't own the Garden and Amtrak doesn't own 2 Penn Plaza.

And Amtrak isn't a major office tenant in Manhattan.

In any case, 2 Penn Plaza is never going anywhere. It's a huge and valuable tower, and has never been considered for demolition. It has nothing to do with the MSG redevelopment or the Hotel Penn redevelopment.
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Old November 15th, 2014, 01:22 AM   #1212
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So NYC wants to tear down the old historic Hotel Pennsylvania built for the then new Pennsylvania Station. Yet @ the same time they want 2 get red of MSG 2 build a "new" old Penn station. Go figure.
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Old November 15th, 2014, 02:48 AM   #1213
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Hotel Pennsylvania should not be demolished...it should be restored to its former glory! There are many decrepit buildings north of there, or on 6th below 30th street where the air rights can be transferred to!
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Old November 15th, 2014, 03:51 PM   #1214
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that would be one hell of a restoration.
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Old November 15th, 2014, 04:24 PM   #1215
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My opinion may smell like $#!t to some buuuut there really isn't anything that aesthetically pleasing about old hotel Pennsylvania. Sure it's an old brownstone but they are a dime a dozen in manhattan..... Now where is a wrecking ball emoticon when you need one?
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Old November 16th, 2014, 01:45 AM   #1216
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My opinion may smell like $#!t to some buuuut there really isn't anything that aesthetically pleasing about old hotel Pennsylvania. Sure it's an old brownstone but they are a dime a dozen in manhattan..... Now where is a wrecking ball emoticon when you need one?
One can also argue that, if the public is getting station improvements, we can surely make do with the trade.
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Old November 16th, 2014, 02:01 AM   #1217
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Sometimes buildings must go, especially if there are many landmarked ones from the same era that look nicer.



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Old November 16th, 2014, 07:07 AM   #1218
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It's seen better days, and architecturally while the top and bottom are very nice the middle isn't that compelling. Better save the Hotel Roosevelt, which is still in damned good shape and would be worth spending renovation money on.
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It's seen better days, and architecturally while the top and bottom are very nice the middle isn't that compelling. Better save the Hotel Roosevelt, which is still in damned good shape and would be worth spending renovation money on.
Both those hotels are anonymous dumps and will be gone soon, replaced by supertalls.
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Even the top and bottom are not that great, definitely nothing unique you can only see on that building.

I mean how many of these columns are in NY?

For example Collonade Row, Stock Exchange, Municipal Building, the James Farley Post Office, the US Customs House, the NY Public Library, NY City Hall, and Federal Hall have much nicer columns, all of which are landmarked, and there's plenty more
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