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Old February 11th, 2010, 06:01 AM   #161
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Old February 11th, 2010, 07:17 PM   #162
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Is the perfect distance... not too close, not so far away...

That about two or maybe three blocks away. They need raise the floor count to at less 100. Its close to the ESB in height so I'm sure they can fit 100 floors in it.
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Old February 11th, 2010, 09:00 PM   #163
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That about two or maybe three blocks away. They need raise the floor count to at less 100. Its close to the ESB in height so I'm sure they can fit 100 floors in it.
ESB is an "old school" skyscraper, with lower floor height.

It have only ~3.6m per floor. While most modern skyscrapers have 4-4.5m per floor.
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Old February 11th, 2010, 10:43 PM   #164
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The building itself is beautiful and elegant but,as a Cesar Pelli fan,I have to say that is shaped like many of his recent projects.Where has originality gone?
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Old February 11th, 2010, 11:07 PM   #165
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yeah I'm only 5'9 so floor height doesn't mean much to me. They better make there floor a little shorter at 1000 feet. There shorter buildings in the world with more then 66 floors
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Old February 12th, 2010, 04:24 AM   #166
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Woow!
I need a peenhouse there..
it´s great
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Old February 12th, 2010, 01:48 PM   #167
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f*** these dogs lol!


http://www.hotelchatter.com/story/20...Doggies_Sleep_

If the Hotel Penn Goes, Where Will the Doggies Sleep?



February 11, 2010
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Here we go again: the owners of the Hotel Pennsylvania have the wrecking ball poised and ready to fly. Yes, we’ve heard this song before, but the folks at Curbed wonder if this time they might actually mean it, since the proposed office tower that would replace the hotel has entered the public review process.

With the Westminster dog show right around the corner, our most pressing reaction to this news is: Where will all the doggies sleep if the Hotel Penn is pulled down? The hotel is the unofficial headquarters—and preferred toilet—for the show dogs and their people during Westminster—and a wonderful place to pooch-and-people watch for bored New Yorkers.

Will other dog-friendly hotels in the city step up to claim this honor if the Hotel Penn finally chokes it? If so, the biggest contenders would be The New Yorker and the Affinia Manhattan, which also host a bunch of Westminster-related doggy events. (There’s a Yorkie-fest at The New Yorker tomorrow, FYI.)
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Old February 17th, 2010, 01:45 PM   #168
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if they tear down the old MSG and penn station complex, this is how it could look like in the future:

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Old February 19th, 2010, 08:33 PM   #169
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First phase of Penn Station overhaul fully funded

February 16, 2010
By ALFONSO A. CASTILLO


Phase One includes doubling the size of the LIRR's West End Concourse, on the Eighth Avenue side of the station, and adding 13 elevators, stairways and escalators leading down to train platforms. It would also improve customer flow to the concourse by doubling the width of the 33rd Street connector.

The Farley building will get new street-level entrances and a new ventilation system for its future train station.

Phase One is expected to be completed by 2015. Phase Two - the actual construction of Moynihan Station inside the Farley building - is estimated to cost between $1 billion and $1.5 billion and will be funded by the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. Amtrak operations would be relocated from Penn Station to the Moynihan Station.

Highlights of Phase One of the Moynihan Station project, which officials say is now fully funded, with work expected to begin by the end of the year:

EIGHTH AVENUE SIDE

Doubling the length and width of Penn Station's West End Concourse, which serves LIRR customers on the Eighth Avenue side of the station. It will be big enough to house LIRR ticket vending machines.

TRACK ACCESS

Installing 13 new escalators, elevators and stairs to LIRR platforms, which will allow passengers to access 17 tracks from the West End Concourse rather than the current nine. As a result, passengers will clear LIRR platforms more quickly, and trains should be able to move in and out of Penn Station faster.

33RD STREET CONNECTOR

Doubling the width of the connector to the West End Concourse, which will improve passenger flows.

NEW ENTRANCES

Street access to the Farley building, future home of an Amtrak terminal.
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Old February 20th, 2010, 07:25 AM   #170
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PA need to use that money on the WTC. What I'm I paying all these tolls for? We'll see if they do anything at all.
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Old April 13th, 2010, 01:56 PM   #171
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http://www.nypost.com/p/news/busines...YBFPKeFPgIt2bO

Vornado's Penn tower deal
April 13, 2010

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The publicly traded real estate giant is promising an unprecedented slew of improvements to the Herald Square-Penn Station area's confusing, overcrowded mass-transit nexus. The plan includes new subway entrances and the reopening of a long-closed underground pedestrian tunnel.

Those upgrades would provide riders with easier access to an underground network that will eventually stretch from Sixth to Ninth Avenue, and include the new Moynihan Station.

Vornado would pay for and build the transit amenities in exchange for variances it wants for a proposed office-tower development on the site of the Hotel Pennsylvania. Vornado bought the hotel in 1997 as a linchpin of its strategy for the bustling area, where it also owns several office buildings.


Tower plans for 15 Penn Plaza (above) include a variety of transit and subway upgrades.
The company can replace the gloomy hotel with an 1.15 million square-foot office tower without public approvals. But it would prefer to put up a tower with nearly twice as much floor area -- just under 2.053 million square feet.

It would increase the size through a zoning change, a 20 percent floor-area bonus for the transit upgrades, and a transfer of air rights from its adjacent Manhattan Mall.

The zoning change and transit bonus would increase the floor area ratio (FAR) -- total floor area in relation to the size of the ground lot -- from the current 12 to 18 for the combined, 160,000 square-foot hotel and mall footprint.

Vornado would not immediately raze the Pennsylvania even if it got approvals for the tower overnight. Rather, it would wait until it pre-signs at least one large office tenant -- which could take years.

But Vornado chief Steven Roth wants the project, called 15 Penn Plaza, to be "fully entitled" well in advance of finding an anchor tenant.

The New York Observer first reported that Vornado would pursue an approve-now, build-later strategy for a tower rising to 1,216 feet. But no details emerged on 15 Penn Plaza's bulk or on most of the transit upgrades until this week.

The proposal goes before Manhattan Community Board 5 on Thursday -- a step in the city's Uniform Land Use Review Procedure. The plan requires the blessings of the Planning Department, City Council and Mayor Bloomberg.

The tower would come in two configurations -- one for a single financial-industry tenant requiring trading floors, the other for a mix of tenants.

Vornado's environmental impact statement reveals that either scheme would be considerably larger than its nominal 2.053 million square feet -- 2.82 million "gross square feet" for the larger version. The difference results from the fact that the zoning count doesn't include mechanical space or below-ground floors.

To allow the tower to taper gradually as it rises and to be set back 15 feet at the base from the Seventh Avenue property line, Vornado needs waivers to city height-and-setback rules.

But, if Vornado is asking a lot, it's also promisingwhat's believed to be the most extensive transit-center upgrades ever offered by a private developer here at one location.

The improvements, a source said, were "a wish-list basically dictated" by the MTA, the Port Authority and Amtrak.

According to the environmental impact study, Vornado would build new subway entrances at Seventh Avenue between West 32nd and 33rd streets; widen the congested northbound No. 1 line platform by six feet; and widen stairs and build new escalators and elevators to serve the subway and PATH lines. It would also improve access to the Sixth Avenue subway and PATH entrances, which are both now hidden inside the Manhattan Mall.

In an oral presentation to CB5, Vornado officials indicated that the existing train entrance at Sixth near 33rd would be moved to the corner sidewalk.

But the most dramatic change in the proposal might be a plan to open a sanitized, 21st Century edition of the old Gimbels Passageway -- the creepy corridor that once connected the Herald Square and Penn Station/Seventh Avenue subway stations, until crime and squalor forced the MTA to close it in 1980.

The dimly-lit tunnel ran parallel to the basements of the department store and the hotel. Users endured an interminable slog past homeless cripples and harmonica-playing squatters who rose shrieking out of the dark.

The concourse would be widened to 16 feet from 9 feet and crafted like Rockefeller Center's, with stores, artwork and mid- block access points.

And where using the old tunnel re quired paying an additional fare to go from one station to the other, the new one would offer a free trans fer -- at least one feature of Vornado's dream unlikely to start an argument. [email protected]


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Old April 15th, 2010, 06:59 PM   #172
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This meeting occurs tonight (15 April 2010).

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Old April 15th, 2010, 07:06 PM   #173
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So does this thing actually have a good chance of being built?
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Old April 15th, 2010, 07:10 PM   #174
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It will be built. It's just a matter if it's the rougly 1,100 foot tower that can be built as of right or the 1,250 foot tower that requires the City's permission.
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this tower will kick the NIMBYs' asses! vornado is offering a great deal - MTA, PA, Amtrak and other politicians / officials should be glad a private company is cleaning up their (financial) mess.
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Old April 16th, 2010, 08:36 AM   #176
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MTA need the money big time. But it take so long to build subway lines under buildings it will be 8 years before you see this up.
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Old April 16th, 2010, 01:48 PM   #177
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This building can be built relatively quickly. They're not adding new subway lines like they are under the Girasole.
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Old April 17th, 2010, 02:26 PM   #179
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http://www.observer.com/2010/real-es...-vornado-tower
Hotel Penn Forever? Community Board Scoffs at Giant Vornado Tower

By Eliot Brown
April 16, 2010


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Score one for the gritty Hotel Pennsylvania.

Major landlord Vornado Realty Trust was rebuffed by the local community board on Thursday night in its effort to clear the road for what would be the city's third-tallest tower to rise in place of the Hotel Pennsylvania across from Madison Square Garden.

Manhattan's Community Board 5 voted 36-1 against the plan, and did not even offer a list of conditions—typically community boards will give a road map for a compromise—as numerous board members told the developer to come back at some later time when the firm actually had a tenant in-hand. Vornado in 2007 had a short-lived handshake agreement with Merrill Lynch to build a new headquarters there as the first step in a remade office district. Now, it is seeking approval to allow for a faster construction process should it ever have a tenant.

The vote came after a parade of fellow landlords and business owners—many of which were enlisted by Vornado to come speak—testified in favor of the plan, given that it would involve more than $100 million in transit improvements, including opening an underground passageway between Sixth and Seventh avenues. The Durst Organization and Madison Square Garden were among those in favor of the project, and there was also support from the Regional Plan Association and the Tri-State Transportation Campaign.

Many community board members seemed almost offended that Vornado had requested both an air rights bonus for its transit improvements and an additional increase in the density beyond what they would normally be allowed (one called it "double dipping"). Still, community boards often vote against projects, and some board members did acknowledge that this was a good space for a tall building.

The rezoning plan now goes to Borough President Scott Stringer for his non-binding recommendations. Ultimately, the City Council must approve or deny the plan, and the local member is Council Speaker Christine Quinn.
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The Community Board's recommendation is advisory and carries no weight. Vornado is very politically connected. This will be built.
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