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[FCB_Flo]

AllianzArena in the media:

Dazzling arena
Munich's new Allianz Arena, created by Swiss architects Jacques Herzog and Pierre de Meuron for the 2006 World Cup, has been described as "the coolest football stadium in the world."

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[Mo Rush]

an athletics track for a world cup final is just perfect..

[MoreOrLess]

Kaiserlautern would be in my top half dozen 2006 WC grounds along with Munich, Berlin, Dortmund, Gelsenkirchen and Frankfurt.

If were talking prem grounds then I'd personally say that the two best redevolped old stadiums are Old Trafford and Villa Park.

[fman80939]

Kaiserslautern per se is an excellent example for an intelligent, sound redevelopment of an existing structure under very difficult circumstances (original building, size of expansion, geological characteristics of the site).
However, in the end way too much money has been spent and the size of the ground is well out of proportion for Kaiserslautern's regular operation.

[GNU]

Originally Posted by Kampflamm

Lower part should be standing ground

are you sure? as far as I know Kaiserslautern will be a full-seater in the Bundesliga.

[Kampflamm]

On Stadionwelt it still says:

Capacity: 40.721

Seats: 27.982
Standing: 12.739

[GNU]

Originally Posted by bubomb

Have you seen Bundesliga average attendances!!! It's crazy - 40000 average per game, absolutely massive!! No country can get close to that!!

yes its great to see that the bundesliga managed to continually break its attendances records over the last 7 years or so.
But I think this year will be the last record breaking season.
A thing that helps to get these attendances is certainly the fact that many new stadiums have been built over the last years, and also that the prices for a ticket are very low compared to, lets say the premier league.

I recently watched the premier league and I was a bit shocked that, at some games the stadium wasnt even half full.
I also heard from the british media that the attendances are very low at the moment.
I think that this really has to do with the high prices (a premier league ticket costs around 3 times as much as a bundesliga ticket!!)
another reason is also that some clubs (chelsea,ManU) appear to be unbeatable for smaller clubs which takes a lot of the excitement connected with the game.

I think they should really take steps to lower the prices and maybe consider to bring back standing areas and go back to allow flags and other stuff in the stadiums again.also they shouldnt let the games start at ridiculous times just to achieve better viewing figures in asia.It kills the fanbases.

the premier league is a fantastic league and it really is a shame when the spectator figures drop.
some officials have to realize that the stadium audience is the most important thing to the game.

[GNU]

Originally Posted by Kampflamm

On Stadionwelt it still says:

Capacity: 40.721

Seats: 27.982
Standing: 12.739

that must be the old figures for the start of the season.
The new capacity should be 48.500 seats.

[MoreOrLess]

Originally Posted by Kampflamm

On Stadionwelt it still says:

Capacity: 40.721

Seats: 27.982
Standing: 12.739

Surely thats the current capacity? The stadium is going to hold 40,000+ as an all seater during the world cup afterall so with stadining room you'd expect it to be larger.

[GNU]

here:

http://www.fck.de/stadion/index.php

"Nach Abschluss der Umbau-Arbeiten Kapazität von 48.500 Sitzplätzen."

[GNU]

quite interesting that Kaiserslautern will have the same capacity as Frankfurt.

[Kampflamm]

Strange. I doubt FCK-Fans would accept that.

Anyway, some other pics

















Certainly looks like an all-seater in that pic

[Kampflamm]

This is what it used to look like:

[ManchesterISwonderful]

Originally Posted by eddyk

Looks old...not is.


IMO St James in better, so is Old Trafford, The Emirates*, The Reebok arena, the City of Manchester Stadium, the Riverside Stadium, The Stadium of Light and maybe even Stamford Bridge.

But other than those 8...Kaiserslautern is better than any other stadium in the prem.



*UC.

Riverside and The NE stade da luz are very plastic. Riverside in particular. I like the Reebok, fantastic little ground. . . and the Council House is of course a quality stadium, if better from the outside. Reckon OT, St James, Reebok and CoM are better than Kaiserslauterns, but I do like this ground. Has character about it.

[ManchesterISwonderful]

Originally Posted by Kampflamm

This is what it used to look like:

Reminds me of Anfield, does that.

[GNU]

these old pics here perfectly show the transformation of the ground:

In the left front you can see the old height of the stand,and in the far background is the height to which all stands have been raised to by now.







now:

[GNU]

Some nice pics from the Veltins-arena which I just found:

FC Schalke 04 vs. 1.FC Kaiserslautern



the team busses get a lot of attention

[Kampflamm]

Commercialism...

[bubomb]

Originally Posted by Checker

yes its great to see that the bundesliga managed to continually break its attendances records over the last 7 years or so.
But I think this year will be the last record breaking season.
A thing that helps to get these attendances is certainly the fact that many new stadiums have been built over the last years, and also that the prices for a ticket are very low compared to, lets say the premier league.

I recently watched the premier league and I was a bit shocked that, at some games the stadium wasnt even half full.
I also heard from the british media that the attendances are very low at the moment.
I think that this really has to do with the high prices (a premier league ticket costs around 3 times as much as a bundesliga ticket!!)
another reason is also that some clubs (chelsea,ManU) appear to be unbeatable for smaller clubs which takes a lot of the excitement connected with the game.

I think they should really take steps to lower the prices and maybe consider to bring back standing areas and go back to allow flags and other stuff in the stadiums again.also they shouldnt let the games start at ridiculous times just to achieve better viewing figures in asia.It kills the fanbases.

the premier league is a fantastic league and it really is a shame when the spectator figures drop.
some officials have to realize that the stadium audience is the most important thing to the game.

Chelsea are unbeatable to everybody in the Premiership. The league was decided before a ball was kicked, as is next season. I can guarantee you Chelsea will win the 2006/2007 league. The Premiership has turned into a really boring league with games rarely sold out.

[GNU]

Originally Posted by bubomb

Chelsea are unbeatable to everybody in the Premiership. The league was decided before a ball was kicked, as is next season. I can guarantee you Chelsea will win the 2006/2007 league. The Premiership has turned into a really boring league with games rarely sold out.

Thats true.
I think its dangerous if a billionaire comes along and financially outperforms everybody just for the fun of it.
a club should have a decent finance plan and not just somebody who poures in millions and millions of pounds.
Its not healthy for the rest of the league imo.