BGC | Icon Plaza [40F|mix]

[wynngd]

hehe parang building sa Libis. Kaya kaya nitong i beat ang competition sa Fort? Kung ioffer nil ang mababa siguro kaya...

[sloanesquare]

I was so disappointed when I saw the BOX again and after seeing a picture of the latest Millenium hotel in Bangkok, it really is cause of much disappointment.

One of the most popular tours in Chcago is the canal architectural tour WHICH ILLUSTRATES THAT ARCHITECTURE IS A GENUINE TOURIST ATTRACTION. . Given the 240 hectares of BGC something "iconic" could have been delivered superior to the boxes. Maybe someone who knows how to download pictures can copy the picture of this bangkok hotel on

http://www.millenniumhotels.com/th/g...ery/index.html

so we can see whats happening over there and not over here.The sail-like roof mimics the dubai building but since it is still a rarity , to me it qualifies as still being innovative.I hope someone can find a picture of the whole hotel to post.

[cusket]

complete disappointment, even if this is not the final rendering why would they even consider this design, unbelievable

[cusket]

complete disappointment, even if this is not the final rendering why would they even consider this design, unbelievable

[maczilla]

i think it looks nice. reminds me of a 60s era building. any info on pricing?

[you_wish]

was there this morning. 89k per square meter and due for price increase tomorrow - 100k!

[ChicTown]

Originally Posted by you_wish

was there this morning. 89k per square meter and due for price increase tomorrow - 100k!

wow, mahal na rin pala! the more i love boni ridge. only 8 large units per floor, 2 towers for now and circular and reasonably priced a few years back. Talagang maximized ang lugar/design/profit nitong ICON Plaza at cuadra na naman. baka kulang pa ang ganitong design sa BGC kaya eto na naman...tsk....tsk...tsk. oh,well...sabi nga ni papa Reagan! best regards to all.

[c0kelitr0]

i agree with you guys, this does not look good aesthetics-wise. and yes, pagod na ako mag complain about the local architects' absence of imagination. even that of vietnam's residential projects are several notches above ours.

[Fluffy]

Originally Posted by sloanesquare

I was so disappointed when I saw the BOX again and after seeing a picture of the latest Millenium hotel in Bangkok, it really is cause of much disappointment.

Maybe someone who knows how to download pictures can copy the picture of this bangkok hotel

Iconic in BKK:




The Icon in BGC:


Everyone, you must demand more for your money! Demand better design, quality and architecture! Don't be content with substandard workmanship. Real estate is a global market, and from what I've seen and purchased so far in the PI, I've decided to look elsewhere for future investments... until improvements materialize.

[sloanesquare]

Thanks fluffy .240ha at BGC and the BKK millenium is more avant-garde than 98% of the BGC buildings.

Having said how little I think of this architect,(whoever it is) the problem is that even our national artist Locsin's architecture is ugly: mandarin, pldt cojuanco building, ccp..all concrete leggo boxes with the smallest windows. But the nation thinks otherwise to honour him.

[pau_p1]

uhmmm CCP building looks very good.. minimalist...

though I agree.. that it seems we lack the modernistic designs....

[sloanesquare]

Originally Posted by pau_p1

uhmmm CCP building looks very good.. minimalist...

though I agree.. that it seems we lack the modernistic designs....

actually locsin and other architects are not totally to blame since the other component is the owner of the building...in which case concrete being the cheapest building material was all that was budgeted for..

.i suppose curves along the lines of frank gehry (which i dont like personnally since it has lost its uniqueness..i can think of 3 structures globally) would not be possible with concrete..hence the box.

[3cr]

Originally Posted by you_wish

was there this morning. 89k per square meter and due for price increase tomorrow - 100k!

Originally Posted by Fluffy

Iconic in BKK:




The Icon in BGC:


Everyone, you must demand more for your money! Demand better design, quality and architecture! Don't be content with substandard workmanship. Real estate is a global market, and from what I've seen and purchased so far in the PI, I've decided to look elsewhere for future investments... until improvements materialize.

Wow P100T/SQM. Expensive ha. Hopefully it's not the final design yet as there is indeed much to be desired considering the asking price. Buti na lang there are many projects to choose from and buyers are not forced to buy into this project if they find it below their expectations. Guess we'll see just how good or bad this Icon project will do in this ever increasingly competitive realestate market when they start pre-selling the project. I do understand the point about demanding more for the money (better architecture/design) but like in those pics above for example, both projects can't really be compared "apple to apple" though considering the project budget for the 2 buildings/projects are of different level as well as one has to also consider the lot size/shape where the project will rise (which I'm sure is also different in this case). These are just two of many other factors which ultimately impact the architectural design of a building project. In the end of the day, the developer will have to come up with a realistic/feasible project; otherwise the cost/price of units will no longer be afforded by the project's actual target market. And even when we see impressive project renderings used in pre-selling presentations/brochures, there will always be a compromise that will be made somewhere during the project construction timeline that will cause certain differences between the project render/model and the actual final product especially with cost of construction materials rising now. That's why it's really buyer's beware when buying into pre-selling projects since what you see may not what you actually get. Anyway just my two cents...

[maczilla]

3cr, yup i agree with you. 100k/sqm is much too high considering how it looks. they ought to improve on this. how many lobbies will it have? office and residential components will have separate lobbies?

[702flyguy]

Maybe this developers should think outside the BOX.

[Fluffy]

Originally Posted by 3cr

Wow P100T/SQM. Expensive ha. Hopefully it's not the final design yet as there is indeed much to be desired considering the asking price. Buti na lang there are many projects to choose from and buyers are not forced to buy into this project if they find it below their expectations. Guess we'll see just how good or bad this Icon project will do in this ever increasingly competitive realestate market when they start pre-selling the project. I do understand the point about demanding more for the money (better architecture/design) but like in those pics above for example, both projects can't really be compared "apple to apple" though considering the project budget for the 2 buildings/projects are of different level as well as one has to also consider the lot size/shape where the project will rise (which I'm sure is also different in this case). These are just two of many other factors which ultimately impact the architectural design of a building project. In the end of the day, the developer will have to come up with a realistic/feasible project; otherwise the cost/price of units will no longer be afforded by the project's actual target market. And even when we see impressive project renderings used in pre-selling presentations/brochures, there will always be a compromise that will be made somewhere during the project construction timeline that will cause certain differences between the project render/model and the actual final product especially with cost of construction materials rising now. That's why it's really buyer's beware when buying into pre-selling projects since what you see may not what you actually get. Anyway just my two cents...

Yes I agree those pics are not comparing apples to apples. I just posted them per someone's request. I do understand that they probably boxed the design to maximize floor space and minimize cost. BGC is a master-planned community, so the city designers should have some veto power and provide minimum standards for the community.

Having that thought in mind, I went on to blab about the quality of condos in the PI because of my experience. For example, I bought a brand-new condo in which they piped cold water into both the hot and cold sides of the sink, even though the water heater was located right under the sink, hot was piped only to the shower. It's minor, but I though that was pretty stupid of them to do that throughout the entire building. I still don't know if that was a design defect or the plumbing contractor's way of saving money on pipes. Some say I don't need hot water in the sink, but in any case, a properly design building should provide hot and cold water to all sinks, and it would be the user to decide to use hot, warm or cold water. Although I might use cold water 95% of the time, it's the principle of it that matters -- that developers provide some level of standard for these new condos. If they are going to market to the international community, then the condos they build should at least meet 3-star hotel standards to compete with real estate investments available around the world. Developing substandard buildings, or in-fact building substandard city infrastructure will keep the country at a substandard level, and our children will inherit what their fore-fathers developed and left for them. So if the country wants to improve and become like a Singapore someday, the country needs to begin with meeting or beating world-wide minimum standards for everything they build. Over time, each generation can build upon one another, but to continue building substandard developments today for our children to inherit is not doing the country or future generations any favors. It will stay third-world, and even the nices part of town like BGC will have third-world quality structures. Buyer's beware needs to diminish. We should all demand better quality for our money. Every project should have a QA staff to reject substandard work. Don't accept substandard new developments! Ok, maybe I'm dreaming and this will never happen, but hopefully everyone will understand what I'm talking about. I'll step off of my soapbox now.

[Fluffy]

Originally Posted by 702flyguy

Maybe this developer should think outside the BOX.

Good one!

[Polgas]

The more unique a building is the more it will be expensive cost wise. just imagine the structural costs for such a "non standard" building. I think architects are restrained in their buildings here because the market here cannot support the price.

[Viajando Musico]

Well said Fluffy. unfortunely these greedy developers large or small don't have the vision of building time lasting pieces. I always like to compare Pacific Plaza Tower that was completed almost 10 years ago to all these recent rised projects in the Fort. All you can see is disapointment. I had great hope when I first came to Fort Bonifacio, thinking this could be a place all Filipinos can be proud of, but my expectation has decreased everytime I came over during all these year.

Developers in the PH have gotten away with less demanding comsumers who compromise instead of argue. You are not alone on your plummbing experience.

[fort_lover]

Seems to me like you hit the nail on the head!

Originally Posted by Viajando Musico

Well said Fluffy. unfortunely these greedy developers large or small don't have the vision of building time lasting pieces. I always like to compare Pacific Plaza Tower that was completed almost 10 years ago to all these recent rised projects in the Fort. All you can see is disapointment. I had great hope when I first came to Fort Bonifacio, thinking this could be a place all Filipinos can be proud of, but my expectation has decreased everytime I came over during all these year.

Developers in the PH have gotten away with less demanding comsumers who compromise instead of argue. You are not alone on your plummbing experience.