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Old June 8th, 2008, 06:55 PM   #41
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@Michal

Take a look into the german or swiss newspapers, and you never find something horrible llike that, hovewer the tabloid is sponsored by Germans, its not their/our level.


@Sercan

Two years ago?? I think you mean the FIFA qualification 2005, not 2006, but just a very small mistake...

And this sentence...
Thats a fable of probably turkish yellow press to egg the hate against swiss people, or show me this article in a swiss newspaper with the origin of this phrase. We don`t use any express like you have mentioned.
And fairplay with turkish fans, its funny, yesterday POR-TUR, every time when a player from Portugal had the ball, you heard supporters whistling and hooting, must be distinctive for turkish football fans, and don`t tell me that were swiss fans.
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Old June 8th, 2008, 11:58 PM   #43
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Sorry, 3 years ago

"Buuuh" is nowadays quite normal at football matches

its yellow press

greeks wrote in turkish after a AEK win over Efes in Basketbal " we fu.. you mother"
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Old June 9th, 2008, 03:08 AM   #44
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@Michal
Take a look into the german or swiss newspapers, and you never find something horrible llike that, hovewer the tabloid is sponsored by Germans, its not their/our level.
haha, good one. so you have no idea what started this, eh? Never mind that Poles are being mocked regularly as thiefs by either some Media Markt or some online German gamebookers, it's not your level never mind Grman media lie about us all the time, it's all about drastic (poor photoshop) work, intention of which was to make a scandal (and thanks to people like you, it worked). They call it the rejection syndrome. You just erase everything that your community does to say others do it. It's ok, don't worry, you will win the next game. Or not.
Cut the crap about what German or Swiss newspapers do (I don't really care about Swiss, but why are you speaking for the Germans?), because media specialists call Fakt (the Polish mutation of Bild) the LIGHT version of it's German, original version. you're not talking to idiots you know. It's my 5th year at media communication and your words are pure bullocks.
however, I don't read Swiss newspapers just as much as I don't read Fakt or Super Express whose image you recalled. But the fact alone that you used something so rediculous means everything to me. When you don't have an argument, you just reach for something stupid to change the subject.

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Two years ago?? I think you mean the FIFA qualification 2005, not 2006, but just a very small mistake...
Ahhh, if it's 3 years ago then you're clean, aren't you? then it;s not that level.

Maybe you've just said enough and went enough off-topic with this?

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Old June 9th, 2008, 01:11 PM   #45
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Come on
we saw the swiss yellow press before the SUI-TUR game 2 years ago
"Ümit Özat is the son of an anatolian wolf mum"
I'm sure this is a lie. Also yellow press would not write anything like that. At that time, I read about several such delibaretely wrong translations and fakes of Swiss press-articles or statements by the Swiss coach in some Turkish newspapers in order to provoke hate against the Swiss among Turkish fans. In youtube one could also see a group of young Turks pretending to be Swiss and burning a Turkish flag....It was cute somehow.

@Basel_CH: I can only guess about your personal level, if you make conclusions from a headline in a newspaper to a whole population...even more as many of such tabloids are foreign-owned.
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Old June 9th, 2008, 07:55 PM   #46
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haha, good one. so you have no idea what started this, eh? Never mind that Poles are being mocked regularly as thiefs by either some Media Markt or some online German gamebookers, it's not your level never mind Grman media lie about us all the time, it's all about drastic (poor photoshop) work, intention of which was to make a scandal (and thanks to people like you, it worked). They call it the rejection syndrome. You just erase everything that your community does to say others do it. It's ok, don't worry, you will win the next game. Or not.
Interesting, German press and people do everything wrong and you start to react, but in the same way like they do.
Is that the meaning? Well if I read your answers and feel your odium, then it must be this way, but sometimes its better to not react the same level, than the other, maybe thats the golden way...
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Interesting, German press and people do everything wrong and you start to react, but in the same way like they do.
Is that the meaning? Well if I read your answers and feel your odium, then it must be this way, but sometimes its better to not react the same level, than the other, maybe thats the golden way...
Come on! Do you really blame me? Those are idiots- we all know that and it was never questioned. But it's idiots on both sides, not ours alone. One thing you shouldn't have done is get them involved here in the discussion, because that's clearly pointless and has no meaning for the thread, but to insult Poles saying "Polish level". Generalizing people with negative stereotypes won't get you too many friends.
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Old June 11th, 2008, 09:43 AM   #48
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Ukrainian stadiums are the best! No variants!
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Old June 11th, 2008, 02:12 PM   #49
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The Polish and Ukrainian stadiums looks alot better than the 2008 stadiums (or atleast in the renderings). And I guess that's what this thread is about.

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Average attendance for Ukraine:

1992 ~~~5,650
2004-05 7,302
2005-06 7,919
2006-07 9,052

It's rising and will continue to rise, Euro and new stadiums will give it an extra boost as well.
And by 2012 it will be 40.000
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Old June 11th, 2008, 03:33 PM   #50
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Sorry but this thread is no more no less then stupid. Why? How you can compare SUI, where football...doesnt exist at all... And what about stadiums...It would be really pathetic if SUI and A decided to build some huge awesome stadiums...What for? And POL or UKR are quite big countrys where football is very very popular so...Anyway E2012 stadiums > E2008 stadiums
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Old June 11th, 2008, 04:23 PM   #51
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Doesn't exist at all?
Switzerland has quite a high attendance compared to the population, probably one of the highest in Europe.
And Ukraine isn't exaclty known to be very enthusiastic about football here...


Nonetheless, Euro 2012 will obviously have much better stadiums, aesthetics and capacity wise. I don't think anyone questions this.
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Old June 11th, 2008, 05:11 PM   #52
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Anything would be better than the current hosts to be honest, their stadia are so small that its been detrimental to the tournament. And i'm well aware of the Euro 2008 party line that the Swiss and Austrian leagues don't need venues any bigger, which just sums up how self orientated these people are. As HOSTS you provide what is needed for your guests, not just yourself. It would be like hosting a dinner party and only having enough chairs for your own family meals during the week - leaving most of your guests standing outside, which is what so many fans find themselves doing.
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Old June 11th, 2008, 05:32 PM   #53
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The Polish and Ukrainian stadiums looks alot better than the 2008 stadiums (or atleast in the renderings). And I guess that's what this thread is about.



And by 2012 it will be 40.000
Big games attract 70k-80k in Ukraine right now so filling up 100,000 Olympic Stadium seats in 2012 won't be a problem with exclusively ukrainian spectators
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Old June 11th, 2008, 05:42 PM   #54
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Old June 11th, 2008, 06:19 PM   #55
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Sorry but this thread is no more no less then stupid. Why? How you can compare SUI, where football...doesnt exist at all... And what about stadiums...It would be really pathetic if SUI and A decided to build some huge awesome stadiums...What for? And POL or UKR are quite big countrys where football is very very popular so...Anyway E2012 stadiums > E2008 stadiums
Your post is no more no less then stupid. Compare attendances in all 4 countries (and add populations as Ipoe said):
Switzerland: 10 917
Austria: 9 338
Ukraine: 8 295
Poland: 7 329

Yeah, Swiss football- non existant. Next time try harder.
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Old June 11th, 2008, 06:26 PM   #56
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Switzerland has got one of the oldest clubs and leagues in the World!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Although its a small country there have been a lot of champions

1898 Grasshopper CZ(1)
1899 Anglo-American CZ(1)
1900 Grasshopper CZ(2)
1901 Grasshopper CZ(3)
1902 FC Zürich(1)
1903 BSC Young Boys(1)
1904 FC St. Gallen(1)
1905 Grasshopper CZ(4)
1906 FC Winterthur(1)
1907 Servette FC Genève(1)
1908 FC Winterthur(2)
1909 BSC Young Boys(2)
1910 BSC Young Boys(3)
1911 BSC Young Boys(4)
1912 FC Aarau(1)
1913 FC Lausanne-Sport(1)
1914 FC Aarau(2)
1915 SC Brühl St. Gallen(1)
1916 Neuchâtel Xamax FC(1)
1917 FC Winterthur(3)
1918 Servette FC Genève(2)
1919 ÉS La Chaux-de-Fonds(1)
1920 BSC Young Boys(5)
1921 Grasshopper CZ(5)
1922 Servette FC Genève(3)
1923 -
1924 FC Zürich(2)
1925 Servette FC Genève(4)
1926 Servette FC Genève(5)
1927 Grasshopper CZ(6)
1928 Grasshopper CZ(7)
1929 BSC Young Boys(6)
1930 Servette FC Genève(6)
1931 Grasshopper CZ(8 )
1932 FC Lausanne-Sport(2)
1933 Servette FC Genève(7)
1934 Servette FC Genève(8 )
1935 FC Lausanne-Sport(3)
1936 FC Lausanne-Sport(4)
1937 Grasshopper CZ(9)
1938 AC Lugano(1)
1939 Grasshopper CZ(10)
1940 Servette FC Genève(9)
1941 AC Lugano(2)
1942 Grasshopper CZ(11)
1943 Grasshopper CZ(12)
1944 FC Lausanne-Sport(5)
1945 Grasshopper CZ(13)
1946 Servette FC Genève(10)
1947 FC Biel-Bienne(1)
1948 AC Bellinzona(1)
1949 AC Lugano(3)
1950 Servette FC Genève(11)
1951 FC Lausanne-Sport(6)
1952 Grasshopper CZ(14)
1953 FC Basel 1893(1)
1954 FC La Chaux-de-Fonds(1)
1955 FC La Chaux-de-Fonds(2)
1956 Grasshopper CZ(15)
1957 BSC Young Boys(7)
1958 BSC Young Boys(8 )
1959 BSC Young Boys(9)
1960 BSC Young Boys(10)
1961 Servette FC Genève(12)
1962 Servette FC Genève(13)
1963 FC Zürich(3)
1964 FC La Chaux-de-Fonds(3)
1965 FC Lausanne-Sport(7)
1966 FC Zürich(4)
1967 FC Basel 1893(2)
1968 FC Zürich(5)
1969 FC Basel 1893(3)
1970 FC Basel 1893(4)
1971 Grasshopper CZ(16)
1972 FC Basel 1893(5)
1973 FC Basel 1893(6)
1974 FC Zürich(6)
1975 FC Zürich(7)
1976 FC Zürich(8 )
1977 FC Basel 1893(7)
1978 Grasshopper CZ(17)
1979 Servette FC Genève(14)
1980 FC Basel 1893(8 )
1981 FC Zürich(9)
1982 Grasshopper CZ(18 )
1983 Grasshopper CZ(19)
1984 Grasshopper CZ(20)
1985 Servette FC Genève(15)
1986 BSC Young Boys(11)
1987 Neuchâtel Xamax FC(2)
1988 Neuchâtel Xamax FC(3)
1989 FC Luzern(1)
1990 Grasshopper CZ(21)
1991 Grasshopper CZ(22)
1992 FC Sion(1)
1993 FC Aarau(3)
1994 Servette FC Genève(16)
1995 Grasshopper CZ(23)
1996 Grasshopper CZ(24)
1997 FC Sion(2)
1998 Grasshopper CZ(25)
1999 Servette FC Genève(17)
2000 FC St. Gallen(2)
2001 Grasshopper CZ(26)
2002 FC Basel 1893(9)
2003 Grasshopper CZ(27)
2004 FC Basel 1893(10)
2005 FC Basel 1893(11)
2006 FC Zürich(10)
2007 FC Zürich(11)
2008 FC Basel 1893(12)

1. Grasshopper CZ(27)
2. Servette FC Genève(17)
3. FC Basel 1893(12)
4. BSC Young Boys(11)
5. FC Zürich(11)
6. FC Lausanne-Sport(7)
7. Neuchâtel Xamax FC(3)
8. FC Aarau(3)
9. FC La Chaux-de-Fonds(3)
10. AC Lugano(3)
11. FC Winterthur(3)
12. FC St. Gallen(2)
13. FC Sion(2)
14. FC Luzern(1)
15. FC Biel-Bienne(1)
16. AC Bellinzona(1)
17. SC Brühl St. Gallen(1)
18. ÉS La Chaux-de-Fonds(1)
19. Anglo-American CZ(1)
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Your post is no more no less then stupid. Compare attendances in all 4 countries (and add populations as Ipoe said):
Switzerland: 10 917
Austria: 9 338
Ukraine: 8 295
Poland: 7 329

Yeah, Swiss football- non existant. Next time try harder.
In Poland the reason that we can't see to many spectators on stadiums is no big stadiums. Also a few teams are from small towns (they have reach sponsors) but it's changing
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also holiginizm cuts down, spectators in football matches, in Poland.

People are to scared to go with there amily on matches.

By euro 2012, new venues will hopefully mean way better security measures. Which means less violence and more people going to football stadiums.
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Old June 12th, 2008, 02:16 AM   #59
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In Poland the reason that we can't see to many spectators on stadiums is no big stadiums. Also a few teams are from small towns (they have reach sponsors) but it's changing
It's true we haven't got big stadiums, but we almost never fill the ones we have. Apart from top teams, the attendances are appalling.
And they've also got teams from very small towns in Austria and Switzerland.
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also holiginizm cuts down, spectators in football matches, in Poland.

People are to scared to go with there amily on matches.

By euro 2012, new venues will hopefully mean way better security measures. Which means less violence and more people going to football stadiums.
Well, since there was no stadiums in Poland, I mean big and modern stadiums... But now, when in what 3? 4? years we will have many small and big stadiums... Situation is changing dramatically so...Time when people were scared to go with family on the match is gone...Biggest polish problem are definitely roads...
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