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Old November 1st, 2016, 10:46 PM   #521
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this part of Jerusalem is NOT part of Israel.
according to who? left wing and muslim goverments?
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Old November 2nd, 2016, 01:04 AM   #522
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Whoah! This is where it gets dangerous. In the view of most western governments, including the United States (GOP and Democrats alike...), this part of Jerusalem is NOT part of Israel.
I am a bit confused. Even if what you are saying is true, how is this "dangerous"? Israel already provides various services to this part of Jerusalem, including utilities, bus and light-rail transport. Is mainline rail somehow different?
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Old November 2nd, 2016, 01:46 AM   #523
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That division of Israel is based on what was a temporary cease-fire in 1948. Before then, the city was united and that part was inhabited by Jews. So its important to note the full historical background and not be pedantic.
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Old November 2nd, 2016, 02:46 AM   #524
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Isn't it disingenuous to conflate costruction of large tunnels at a depth of 80m through one of the oldest cities in the World, with layers upon layers of shared history, ending so close under arguably the most contested patch of sanctified land anywhere, with surface-level transport services on already-present roads and water pipelines? They're not really that similar are they? We don't even have to argue about Jerusalem - which I believe is way out of topic here.

Whatever the views are on that part of Jerusalem, which we cannot but agree are markedly divergent, I think that this railway and tunnel extension is going to be one piece of hotcake that will unfortunately just contribute to the ceaseless conflict already existent.

This is a sincerely genuine question - just how necessary is this extension?
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Old November 2nd, 2016, 04:03 AM   #525
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This is a sincerely genuine question - just how necessary is this extension?
I agree this is a genuine question and one that Israeli infrastructure authorities will need to consider, especially given the high costs of tunneling. My understanding is that the Old City of Jerusalem is among the top tourist sites in the Middle East and as of now everyone must either walk there or take motorized transit (or maybe light rail to Damascus Gate). So there is presumably a lot of demand for this already. After Jerusalem-Tel Aviv HSR opens, will light rail become overburdened in the Yafo Street corridor? This may be a longer-term solution.

Presumably the stop location would be at the site of the existing bus stop at Dung Gate? There may be a way to make this work without having to dig directly below the Old City.
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Old November 2nd, 2016, 11:15 PM   #526
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It wont reach the old city. As far as I know, it would only reach Mamila. And it's time that the Israeli government start ignoring the international community's opinion about this, because this region is extremely underdeveloped, and the UN is unfairly biased.
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Old November 3rd, 2016, 05:23 PM   #527
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If A1 will be extended to Mamila area then the next reasonable step would be to extend the line to Han station (1.4km) and then renew tracks to Malkha

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Old November 3rd, 2016, 05:47 PM   #528
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If A1 will be extended to Mamila area then the next reasonable step would be to extend the line to Han station (1.4km) and then renew tracks to Malkha

There is something like this somewhere, but I doubt that it would happen, because the Han station isn't a station anymore, and that would face opposition from the residents. What I think that they might do is to make a branch to link straight to Malcha.
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Old November 13th, 2016, 12:48 PM   #529
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As the one who is responsible for this Israel Railways (passenger) diagram for Wikimedia, I was asked by fellow Israeli Wikipedians to add the recently opened Atlit to Beit She'an service to the map. I am not Israelite and I have never been there, not to mention that I don't know Hebrew language at all. But I am little bold to add the Haifa Airport into my map which isn't even in the official map. Learning from its English Wikipedia article, it seems the importance of Haifa Airport is waning. I can't even verify the "Egged bus no. 58" which claims to be connecting the airport with Kiryat Hayim, Hutzot HaMifratz and Lev HaMifratz railway stations as told in the official site. So I want to know from you guys if this bus route still exists and if including Haifa Airport in the railway map is even a good idea. Thank you.

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Old November 13th, 2016, 06:33 PM   #530
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As the one who is responsible for this Israel Railways (passenger) diagram for Wikimedia, I was asked by fellow Israeli Wikipedians to add the recently opened Atlit to Beit She'an service to the map. I am not Israelite and I have never been there, not to mention that I don't know Hebrew language at all. But I am little bold to add the Haifa Airport into my map which isn't even in the official map. Learning from its English Wikipedia article, it seems the importance of Haifa Airport is waning. I can't even verify the "Egged bus no. 58" which claims to be connecting the airport with Kiryat Hayim, Hutzot HaMifratz and Lev HaMifratz railway stations as told in the official site. So I want to know from you guys if this bus route still exists and if including Haifa Airport in the railway map is even a good idea. Thank you.

It couldn't hurt to add it. Haifa airport even has 2 flights to Cyprus and 1 to Greece. And I don't think that they're going to build an airport in Megiddo.
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Old March 26th, 2017, 03:38 PM   #531
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U/C Carmiel line before testing runs.
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Ahihud station:


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Old March 26th, 2017, 03:47 PM   #532
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The first of 62 TRAXX AC locomotives for Israel Railways just left Bombarier plant in Kassel (Germany).





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Old April 15th, 2017, 09:09 AM   #533
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High-speedtrain Tel Aviv-Jerusalem

Set to open in 2018, this extraordinary rail route will revolutionize travel between Israel’s two biggest cities.


Currently it takes about an hour to drive the approximately 60 kilometers (37 miles) northwest from Jerusalem to Tel Aviv, though traffic jams often lengthen the trip. An old scenic train route chugs along from the remote southwest corner of Jerusalem, winding around the hills and making several stops before reaching Tel Aviv two hours later.

When it opens in the first half of 2018, the high-speed route will take less than 30 minutes, including a stop at Ben-Gurion International Airport. It will service Tel Aviv’s existing four railway stations and a new transportation hub alongside Jerusalem’s Central Bus Station and light-rail stops.



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Old April 15th, 2017, 11:46 AM   #534
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Its about a half à year now that the valley line opened. How does it fare today ? Are the loadings satisfactory ? How is it served, clockface timing ? And with which rolling stock ? I was there when it was under construction, followed the path of the old Hedjaz line till the broken bridges in the Yarmuk valley. Any chance to see the line reopening further than Beit She'an ? Tiberias would be a good candidate...
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Old May 13th, 2017, 09:17 PM   #535
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Press release from Bombardier:

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Bombardier to Provide 33 Additional TWINDEXX Vario Double-Deck Coaches to Israel Railways

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Bombardier to Provide 33 Additional TWINDEXX Vario Double-Deck Coaches to Israel Railways

Fifth order will increase Israel Railways’ fleet of Bombardier-built double-deck coaches to 462
Greater comfort, increased capacity and more frequent service for Israel’s public rail transport


Rail technology leader Bombardier Transportation announced today that it has signed a contract to provide 33 additional BOMBARDIER TWINDEXX Vario double-deck coaches to Israel Railways (ISR). This call-off is part of a framework agreement signed in October 2010 and is valued at approximately 56 million euro ($61 million US). Delivery of the new coaches is scheduled to be completed by February 2019.

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The new coaches are an improved version of those currently in operation with ISR and will provide an enhanced travel experience. They will be equipped with carpeting on both levels, a state-of-the-art passenger information system, powerful air-conditioning, bogies with secondary air-suspension, and a safety system that allows departure only after passenger doors have fully closed. Hauled by the new BOMBARDIER TRAXX AC electric locomotives ordered in 2015, each eight-car train features seating capacity for 1,000 passengers.

The popular trainsets, based on a proven platform concept, are in operation across Europe and are compliant with all current safety, comfort and efficiency standards. They will represent great strides in helping alleviate congestion in Israel.

As a full solution provider, Bombardier Transportation operates a service depot in Haifa where existing 293 double-deck coaches are being upgraded for a speed of 160 km/h and for electric traction. This month, a Bombardier team began qualifying local staff to carry out the final assembly of the eight, recently-delivered coaches at an ISR shop floor in Be’er Sheva, part of a call-off from March 2016.


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Its about a half à year now that the valley line opened.
1.How does it fare today ?
2. Are the loadings satisfactory ?
3. How is it served, clockface timing ?
4. And with which rolling stock ? I was there when it was under construction, followed the path of the old Hedjaz line till the broken bridges in the Yarmuk valley.
5. Any chance to see the line reopening further than Beit She'an ? Tiberias would be a good candidate...
1, 2: Quite fine. Only the data for the last quarter of 2016 has been published, but it seems like 3 of the line's station will serve more than 300,000 passengers per year (each). Kfar-Baruch lags behind, has was expected.
3. Mostly 1 train per hour per direction. 2 trains per hour during the rush hours.
4. not sure
5. I think that the current plan is for tracks from Afula to Tiberius, which will be a part of the proposed Hadera-Afula railway. There are also plan to continue the line from Beit-Shean to Hamat-Gader and from Beit-Shean to Jordan, but I highly doubt there are enough potential passengers to justify the high cost of the first proposal, and political issues, in addition to the poor state of Jordan's railway system probably make an extension to Jordan impossible in the near future.
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Many thanks for all those answers !
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Coast to capital in 28 minutes. The opening of the Jerusalem-Tel Aviv line in April 2018 will be the biggest transportation event in recent Israeli history.

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Not to bring politics into this - but those new stations should become nodes for new, high density settlements, rather than those making settlements on Palestinian land.
This would ease tension and let the region become more economically regular and consistant - breeding a happier, more balanced society
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Old August 24th, 2017, 09:36 PM   #540
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Israel Train Museum in Haifa & Haifa East Station

Haifa East is no longer passangers station. It's an operational station, including train yard, workshop etc.







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