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Old August 3rd, 2011, 05:13 PM   #121
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Relics of the British influence on railways, I suppose. By the way in Italy and Sweden, where train still run on the left, used left running also on some or all of their roads (Sweden until 1967, Italy in some cities like Milan until the 1920s).

As for train the side of travel depends on the signalling, the differences even in the same state are not a problem, and most of modern signalling systems also allow two trains running in the same direction.
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Old August 3rd, 2011, 05:16 PM   #122
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São Paulo - Brazil - has some rail lines running on the right and others on the left, so not even on the same city it is a problem to mix both.

Although I think it would be more rational to change everything to right-running.
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Old August 3rd, 2011, 05:27 PM   #123
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Although I think it would be more rational to change everything to right-running.
If for a road vehicle changing the running side can be problematic (intensity of lighs, visibility while overtaking, buttons and ticket dispensers on the wrong side in parkings, ...), for trains it isn't. Even if signalling on a particular line is reversible the layout of tracks isn't, obliging to rebuild the timetable. Basically there is no need to change running side on railways.

For example, think of a station with three tracks (1 northbound main line, 2 southbound main line, 3 southbound for overtakings). Think of a soutbound regional train stopping on track 3, leaving space for a faster IC passing through track 2. With trains running on the right this wouldn't be possible, and would require a new timetable.
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Old October 7th, 2011, 09:07 PM   #124
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Hi all,

The new line from Tel Aviv to Rishon Lezion opened last week.

The occasion was spoilt somewhat by strike action by IR employees.

This is the latest version of the IR passenger line map. The new line is at bottom left. Yavne West station is supposed to open some time in the near future. The new stations are Holon Junction, Holon Wolfson, Bat Yam Yoseftal, Bat Yam Kommemiut and Rishon Lezion Moshe Dayan.

The project included the addition of a new platform 5 at Tel Aviv Hahagana. TAH is now the terminus of the other Rishon Lezion line, from Harishonim to Tel Aviv, which previously terminated at Tel Aviv Central.

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Old October 17th, 2011, 09:57 PM   #125
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Hi RoadUser, great thanks, good to know. (If I ever go to Holon or Bat Yam?) I'm from Jerusalem so not that connected.

In my opinion the network should become something like this:
Where the red line goes often and somehow 1 time goes via Bnai Barak (against the clock around), and 1 time via Hertzliyah (with the clock around). Or a variation that you can come quicker in Hod Ha Sharon. Hertzliah becomes a more important station (also to reduce traffic jams to TA).
And the black new line from Jerusalem Central BusStation goest to Haifa-Hof HaCarmel. (that will be less then 2 hours traveltime).
Handy is that from the North people have more options to choose from, it might attract more passengers, and the pink line and busses can deliver more people to Hof HaCarmel. The black line should go every 30 min at least, and the light green line should go every 30 minutes. So from Hof HaCarmel to Ben Gurion it's every 15 minutes. From Jerusalem to Herzliyah should also be every 15 minutes. THEN from BG to TA at least 6 trains an hour will go per direction. And people at BG (also comming from Modiin) can choose to go to Herliyah and Netanyah in a quicker way.
They should build 2 extra tracks straith from Atlit to Netanyah closer to the coast, under all other traffic, that will give some space for the black and the dark-green line to pass other trains. And the intercity-trains might even gain 10 minutes of travelingtime.

Maybe they have to build extra tracks from Savidor till Hof HaCarmel, but it will safe some space on Highways or extra busses. And the slow-trains interfear less the intercity trains. The black line also helps congestion on the blue line in the most dence part of that line.


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Old October 18th, 2011, 04:13 PM   #126
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Your map is quite similar to the IR development map:



Meanwhile here are some pictures from the new Rishon Lezion line. Photo credit: Daniel Buchman.


The yellow and blue locomotives are usually used for freight trains, but have been pressed into service on the new line pending delivery of some new ones.

















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Old October 20th, 2011, 02:28 PM   #127
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Were these carriages originally used by DB Bahn?
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Old October 20th, 2011, 04:17 PM   #128
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Were these carriages originally used by DB Bahn?
No(they have upgraded aircon for obvious reasons) but they are based on DB double-deck designs used from at least the 1990's, as they are built at Bombardier's Gorlitz plant:
http://www.metro-magazine.com/News/S...ach-order.aspx

http://www.bombardier.com/en/transpo...01260d80010308

Gorlitz factory:
http://de.bombardier.com/en/site_details_Gorlitz.htm



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Old October 20th, 2011, 09:44 PM   #129
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No(they have upgraded aircon for obvious reasons) but they are based on DB double-deck designs used from at least the 1990's, as they are built at Bombardier's Gorlitz plant:
http://www.metro-magazine.com/News/S...ach-order.aspx

http://www.bombardier.com/en/transpo...01260d80010308

Gorlitz factory:
http://de.bombardier.com/en/site_details_Gorlitz.htm



Hi all,

I posted that first youtube clip.

can anyone explain how it could possibly have had over 35,000 views??
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Old October 21st, 2011, 01:59 PM   #130
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can anyone explain how it could possibly have had over 35,000 views??
Obviously there are alot of fans of your material (Germany?), maybe you should post more.
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Old May 31st, 2012, 11:56 AM   #131
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Hi all,

It's been a while since this thread has been updated, so here are some updates:

- These new locomotives - Vossloh Euro 4000 - are now in service:



Apparently another class, the Euro 3000, is due to enter service at some point. Wikipedia says that IR ordered 14 Euro 4000s and 15 euro 3000s.

- There are a lot of new Bombardier double decker trains in service. Again, I don't know how many, but I think altogether the whole consignment is a couple of hundred carriages.
They are very similar to the older ones, but there is a pair of electric plugs above each 4 seats, and some other minor details are different too.

- The new upgraded track to Beer Sheva is due to open very soon.

- Wifi is starting to appear. The entire system is supposed to be networked eventually, but in the mean time it has been installed in a few stations and (I think) on some trains.
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Old January 7th, 2013, 01:02 AM   #132
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With such an efficient network as Israël, why they still use diesel instead of electric locomotives?
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Old January 9th, 2013, 11:19 PM   #133
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With such an efficient network as Israël, why they still use diesel instead of electric locomotives?
Not all the lines have been electrified yet.
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Old January 9th, 2013, 11:35 PM   #134
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Not all the lines have been electrified yet.
You would think Israel of all countries wouldn't want to be dependent on Mid-East oil
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Old January 10th, 2013, 05:40 AM   #135
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You would think Israel of all countries wouldn't want to be dependent on Mid-East oil
Maybe the rationale is that if a power station gets... ahem... destroyed and there's a subsequent blackout, then diesel is more reliable? hmm?
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With such an efficient network as Israël, why they still use diesel instead of electric locomotives?
The rail network in Israel isn't efficient at all. It had been neglected for decades until the early 90's when new lines were opened. The only reason that electric locomotives aren't being used is that until now, the the vast majority of the rail's development budget was used to construct new lines and not to improve the service in the existing lines.
However, there are approved plans to electrify most of the busy lines in the next few years in a project which will cost around 4 billion US$. This project has to be started in a few years, because the new Tel Aviv-Jerusalem line which will start operations in 2017-2018 cannot operate without electric locomotives because of the its long tunnels (the longest is over 11 kilometers long).
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Old January 10th, 2013, 11:21 PM   #137
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Maybe the rationale is that if a power station gets... ahem... destroyed and there's a subsequent blackout, then diesel is more reliable? hmm?
Maybe the rationale behind electrification is, that when Israel gets an oil boycot, they can still ride their trains :P
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Old May 28th, 2013, 05:54 PM   #138
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Does Israelian railways have plans to:

- electrify tracks
- build a good link with Eliat
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