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Old July 13th, 2014, 02:54 PM   #281
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Good read and he has a lot of good points. However I'm not agreeing that the tram is a good transport here in Oslo. Unless he are using the word good for high passenger numbers.
The tram are running through a lot of high density areas with many people and not many other choices in transportation.
So it's logical that it will be a well used system.
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Old July 13th, 2014, 06:43 PM   #282
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Good read and he has a lot of good points. However I'm not agreeing that the tram is a good transport here in Oslo. Unless he are using the word good for high passenger numbers.
This guy is really only analysing the number of passengers versus the passenger-kilometers offered (capacity). I read his slides somwhere but can't seem to find them.

In Oslo, the tram comes out on top as it has a very high number of passengers relative to the capacity.

Buses, commuter trains and metro have a rather low usage/kms available. This indicates that the operation is inefficient (e.g. too many parallell lines, too many buses into the city center, not enough feeder bus lines to metro and commuter rail, too high frequency on the outer reaches of the metro/rail network relative to inner sections).

When considering modes of transport in Oslo you should also take into consideration that the tram network is by far the most expensive to operate per passenger (despite it's high usage). And that the layout of the city (narrow streets, few through streets connecting different neighbourhoods in central Oslo) make it difficult to give the trams dedicated right-of-ways. Which modern trams really need.
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Old July 17th, 2014, 12:11 PM   #283
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After a lengthy investiagtion, four managers at the bus operator Unibuss were recently indicted with corruption in one of the largest corruption cases in Oslo history. Unibuss operates a number of bus routes in Oslo. Among other things, the managers received cash bribes totaling hundreds of thousands of euros from MAN for buying their buses. The trial starts in September.

MAN - RUTER Oslo Norway by scotrailm 63A, on Flickr
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Old July 17th, 2014, 10:48 PM   #284
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Pictures from the rebuild of railway station Høvik, just west of Oslo, usually served by Lokatog (commuter rail) line L1. The station will get 3 reversing tracks in the center without platform access used for trains that in the future will terminate at Lysaker, in addition to two side platforms.





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Old July 18th, 2014, 01:09 AM   #285
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Old July 18th, 2014, 01:11 AM   #286
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After a lengthy investiagtion, four managers at the bus operator Unibuss were recently indicted with corruption in one of the largest corruption cases in Oslo history. Unibuss operates a number of bus routes in Oslo. Among other things, the managers received cash bribes totaling hundreds of thousands of euros from MAN for buying their buses. The trial starts in September.

MAN - RUTER Oslo Norway by scotrailm 63A, on Flickr
I wonder if this is the case in Stockholm too. It's strange that ALL the new buses appear to be MAN buses rather than Scania buses (which most of the old ones appear to be)...
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That it happened in Oslo should be enough to open an investigation in Stockholm IMO.
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Old July 18th, 2014, 09:59 PM   #289
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Strange to hear corruption case this big in Scandinavia.
Still, it can not hold a candle to the case in Uppsala when the local police chief turned out to be pimp or rapist or some ring leader, I don't remember now.
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The police chief in Uppsala sexually assaulted and raped young women, many of whom he came in contact with because they had already been subjected to different kinds of abuse. An absolutely horrible story. But it doesn't really have anything to do with corruption, except of the moral kind. He was simply a rapist with a taste for teenagers who was really good at covering his tracks.
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Old July 19th, 2014, 10:18 PM   #291
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That it happened in Oslo should be enough to open an investigation in Stockholm IMO.
What should be done is to investigate MAN itself. IIRC there was some issues with the deal between the Norwegian army and MAN Trucks.

It's going to be interesting to see what Oslo is going for next. MAN seems to deliver solid buses despite the controversy.
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Old July 22nd, 2014, 03:52 PM   #292
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After a lengthy investiagtion, four managers at the bus operator Unibuss were recently indicted with corruption in one of the largest corruption cases in Oslo history. Unibuss operates a number of bus routes in Oslo. Among other things, the managers received cash bribes totaling hundreds of thousands of euros from MAN for buying their buses. The trial starts in September.

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Old July 25th, 2014, 07:10 PM   #293
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This guy is really only analysing the number of passengers versus the passenger-kilometers offered (capacity). I read his slides somwhere but can't seem to find them.

In Oslo, the tram comes out on top as it has a very high number of passengers relative to the capacity.

Buses, commuter trains and metro have a rather low usage/kms available. This indicates that the operation is inefficient (e.g. too many parallell lines, too many buses into the city center, not enough feeder bus lines to metro and commuter rail, too high frequency on the outer reaches of the metro/rail network relative to inner sections).

When considering modes of transport in Oslo you should also take into consideration that the tram network is by far the most expensive to operate per passenger (despite it's high usage). And that the layout of the city (narrow streets, few through streets connecting different neighbourhoods in central Oslo) make it difficult to give the trams dedicated right-of-ways. Which modern trams really need.
Agreed. It is a problem that the metro dosent go through the most densly popultated areas. The tram goes through the most densly populated areas now.

There is a large area in central Oslo that isnt covered by metro. Here is an article from Osloby.http://www.osloby.no/nyheter/Bohler-...l#.U9J_LUjlE7B

However in West Oslo and Bærum they need to build more tall houses around the metro stations so that the available capacity can be utilized. As it is now a lot of empty wagons goes through west oslo and bærum because they dont build enough tall houses around the metro stations. As i see it is to many single houses in west oslo and bærum and not enough tall buidlings to utilize the metro.

In east oslo and central oslo the metro trains are packed and needs more capacity and higher frequency.
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Old August 7th, 2014, 03:18 PM   #294
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Ruter started a new concept this summer with cheap tours that where sold for 5NKR($.80).
The tickets was only sold in advance and the destination was unknown. The trips had a tour guide and some food included. The trips were advertised to a duration of about 3.5 hours included travel time.

Here are some recently released videos by Ruter:










The concept is called "Ruter Uspesifisert". In the context of traveling, the word "uspesifisert" in Norwegian is mostly used for cheap vacation packages where the hotel is unknown. So the reference is a bit funny.

Very nice concept if you ask me, and it seemed to successful.
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Old August 22nd, 2014, 04:40 PM   #295
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Oslo’s subway network is really unique, including ring line underground, conversion from former tram lines & former suburban rail lines, surface portion with level crossing (unique), but the most unique was former dual current system, i.e. – same metro partly used panto-graph, partly used TRCC, I never saw such thing.

On the other hand, Oslo’s tramway network also unique, because on the western side, same track is serving both metro & tram, because both has same gauge, trams don’t stop at metro stations, & viceversa. This portion has both third rail & overhead, for metro and tram respectively. I never saw this. We can’t even imagine it in Kolkata, my native city.
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Old August 22nd, 2014, 05:47 PM   #296
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The "metram" tram/metro seems slated to be a thing of the past, as the next generation trams are going to be just trams. It was a good idea at the wrong place, as currently used the benefit of trams play-acting to be metro is minuscule. If there had been a tram line from e.g Fornebu, it could have been interesting.
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Old September 9th, 2014, 08:57 PM   #297
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Old October 5th, 2014, 12:32 PM   #298
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The last section of the Kolsås line (2) will reopen in a week. It's about 3.7 km with three stations. Some pictures of a recent test-run:

Current terminus at Avløs:



Gjettum station:








Hauger station:


Approaching Kolsås station:


Source and more pics: http://www.budstikka.no/bildeserier/...602831?image=0
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Old October 6th, 2014, 04:40 PM   #299
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Why do they have the ugly walls along the line
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Why do they have the ugly walls along the line
Sound protection and refrain people from getting on the trucks. Please don't tell me this is first time you see walls like that.... / facepalm.
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