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Old June 15th, 2008, 02:52 AM   #21
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Vancouver's Streetcar network back then was ripped apart and destroyed, replaced by more modern looking trolley buses. Too bad...
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Some film sof the Liverpool Overhead railway:







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Old June 15th, 2008, 09:54 PM   #23
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For me, the biggest loss was the Liverpool Overhead Railway. This would be such an attraction today, and really help with the redevlopment of the waterfront there. It is so sad that it has gone.

On another note, Berlin lost a few of it's grand central stations. Although not technically subway but rail, I am wondering if this also meant the loss of some urban or suburban rail services that served those stations.
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Old June 16th, 2008, 08:12 PM   #24
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Vancouver's Streetcar network back then was ripped apart and destroyed, replaced by more modern looking trolley buses. Too bad...
(I so wish Canadians'd just pull their EF'in heads outta the sand...)



The following posting -- to some nearby thread around here -- is pointing out the East London line's being morphed into an overground...yet some other kind of abolishment, hmmm:
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Old June 16th, 2008, 08:21 PM   #25
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East London line is just closed for being upgraded, it was already the closed between 1995 and 1998 for heavy maintenance works.

It is not so unfrequent in London network.
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Old June 16th, 2008, 09:01 PM   #26
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East London line is just closed for being upgraded, it was already the closed between 1995 and 1998 for heavy maintenance works.

It is not so unfrequent in London network.
Although unlike the previous closure it will not be operated by London Underground Ltd when it re-opens in 2 years... It will be a fully integrated part of the National Rail network and its connection with LU will be removed (St Mary's Curve). It will switch from LU to NR operating procedures... although I'm unsure as to who will officially own it, it might remain nominally owned by LU, transferred to TFL's LOROL subsidiary (their first actual own stretch of railway?), or transferred to NR... Dunno?
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Old June 16th, 2008, 09:22 PM   #27
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iampuking wrote that it's being flipped up -- or demoted, for all I know -- to Overground



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Toronto was working on an Eglinton Ave subway line, until the Conservatives got in and not only canceled it, but filled it back in with concrete. Now they are going to resurrect it as an underground LRT, and re-tunnel it.

Tax dollars at work...
Finally! an instance wherefrom nattered, Canadian intent's just a right EF'in bore...ya gotta luvvit

Lines Eglinton, Queen and Dundas were abandonments that never came close to operating: were the latter two also backfilled?!?




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It ran from 1928 to 1957. Here is a report from Infiltration:

http://infiltration.org/transit-roch.html
Dreadful -- I came across this old New-York-Times article:

August 11, 2005
The End of a Tunnel?
By PATRICK O'GILFOIL HEALY
ROCHESTER, Aug. 7 - In better days, this sagging manufacturing city had a subway. That, of course, means it had a subway tunnel.

But the subway, which opened in 1927, hasn't carried any passengers since 1956. And the tunnel has become a pipeline of gloom running beneath downtown, 1.7 miles of rusted track littered with burned-out ticket stations and the detritus of graffiti writers and homeless people. To city officials, the old tunnel is a monument to decay, a big pothole just begging to be filled.

Fed up with what they call a chronic liability and a headache, city administrators want to pack the tunnel with tons of dirt and seal it up. The state and federal governments would pay 95 percent of the estimated $21 million cost. City administrators say it is a simple, cheap and permanent fix.

But the plan has enraged some residents and preservationists. They have started a campaign to stop the fill and force the City Council to consider preserving the tunnel and turning it into a museum, art gallery or a light-rail line.

The subway tunnel, which runs east and west beneath Broad Street, lies on the original bed of the Erie Canal, and some residents even advocate flooding the channel and bringing the canal back to the heart of the city.

"We were the smallest city in the country to have a subway," said Sandee Lyman, one of a few dozen residents who wear neon "Chill the Fill" T-shirts around town. "It's beautiful and it's historic. So why fill it in with dirt?"

The tunnel's supporters began circulating petitions and attending City Council meetings this spring. They started talking about how cities like Creede, Colo., and Hutchison, Kan., were converting their old mine shafts into museums. They organized flashlight tours through the Rochester subway until the city found out and put up "no trespassing" signs.

Supporters said refurbishing the tunnel could draw tourists, money and prestige to a city desperate for all three.

Rochester, a city of 219,773 people on Lake Ontario, has had the highest homicide rate in the state the last 7 of 10 years. Its struggling economy has improved after a sharp downturn during the last recession, but the city's major employer, Eastman Kodak, announced last month that it was planning to cut as many as 10,000 jobs worldwide. That's in addition to the 15,000 job cuts that were announced a year and a half ago, including 4,500 in Rochester.

The city spends an average of $1.2 million a year to shore up the crumbling subway tunnel, reinforcing corroding supports, columns and steel beams. It sends in the police to investigate reports of trespassing, fights or drug deals. On the street level, crews patch up cracking, sagging sections of road over the tunnel.

With Rochester projecting a $28 million budget gap for next year, Ed Doherty, the director of environmental preservation, said the city simply could not afford the niggling, piecemeal repair costs.

Mr. Doherty said the city would pay $1 million to fill the tunnel and collect the rest from government bridge-repair funds.

"We've got to do something," Mr. Doherty said. "We've got to repair it or eliminate it."

To plug the tunnel, crews would shore up the columns and repair any buckling beams or weak supports, then bulldoze in tons and tons of dirt, working in sections. After that, workers would drill holes through Broad Street and pump in enough dirt to pack the 20-foot-high tunnel completely.

Though the tunnel has lain fallow for a half-century, several residents said they were opposing the fill because it would be irrevocable. Packing it with dirt, they said, would destroy a landmark that ties the city to its roots.

After the Erie Canal was rerouted south of downtown in 1919, Rochester covered the canal bed with Broad Street and laid train tracks along the dry canal bed, anticipating population growth that never came. The subway made about a dozen stops, and it linked trolley lines and passenger trains that connected the city to the rest of the state.

Ridership, which peaked during the Depression, fell sharply during the economic boom after World War II, when more people bought cars and the city grew in directions not served by the subway. In 1956, the city shut it down.

"My one and only time to ride the subway was on its last day," said John Curran, a supporter of preserving the tunnel. He could clearly remember the car he rode in. "It was red, my favorite color. I was 8."

Since then, all but one of the subway cars have been scrapped, and the lamps, staircases, stations and columns in the tunnel have wasted away. The tunnels are now havens for about a dozen homeless people. Graffiti writers come down to paint, and teenagers descend to party. Art classes and photographers often visit.

One recent Sunday afternoon, the smells of rot, garbage and smoke permeated the tunnel from end to end. One graffiti tag declared, "Jesus Christ is Lord." Another said, "You will die."

Old shoes, jeans and bottles lay everywhere, and charred logs indicated someone had made a fire recently. The only person in sight, a man in a blue T-shirt, scurried from the tunnel and up an embankment when he saw a group of visitors approaching.

On the eastern side of downtown, the subway line emerges from the gloom and becomes an viaduct straddling the Genesee River. This is the most revered portion of the subway line, and city and state officials have secured $3 million in federal money to refurbish the viaduct and make it more accessible to pedestrians.

Mr. Doherty said that section of the line would not be touched.

The tunnel's fate remains an open question, but Tim Mains, a city councilman, said the subway's supporters seem to have won their first fight. Mr. Doherty had said he wanted to start plugging the tube by early this fall, but politics seem to make that less likely.

The mayor's office and three Council seats are opening up in the fall, and Mr. Mains, one of five mayoral candidates, said the Council would most likely put off any decision on the tunnel until after the election.

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Old June 16th, 2008, 09:51 PM   #28
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Pretty much every big city in Britain had a tram network at one point, with all but one being closed (Blackpool).

Some cities have managed to get newer replacements in the last ten years or so.
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Old June 16th, 2008, 10:03 PM   #29
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when really it's just `pot`pot`pot, eh? -- tut tut...we ready for a re-railing yet?
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Old June 16th, 2008, 10:07 PM   #30
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(I so wish Canadians'd just pull their EF'in heads outta the sand...)



The following posting -- to some nearby thread around here -- is pointing out the East London line's being morphed into an overground...yet some other kind of abolishment, hmmm:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=114
Holy Effer what is your problem? For christ sakes this is an international forum, and this thread is about metros around the world that were abolished. I can understand you saying such a thing in a local thread, albeit still wrong.
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Old June 16th, 2008, 10:16 PM   #31
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yet still suppressin' it inda sand eh, dimwitted canuckoo?

Moreover, were the thread as international as you reckon it, then why yer cowboy christendom?
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Old June 17th, 2008, 09:04 AM   #32
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yet still suppressin' it inda sand eh, dimwitted canuckoo?

Moreover, were the thread as international as you reckon it, then why yer cowboy christendom?
What, so you got no rebuttal? Just adding rude phrases coupling them with Canadian stereotypes just make you look like a fool. Putting down others isn't a smart thing to do either. Please, this is just common sense.

Even if this was a local forum, as it is public, everyone has the right to say whatever they want as long as it complies with the forum rules. Evidently, you already broke one of them.

Then, if you could parler en anglais si vous plait, it would make it much easier for people to understand you.
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Old June 17th, 2008, 12:33 PM   #33
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Part of Charleroi's (Belgium) subway network was abolished even before it was ever used. The city had ambitious plans for constructing a large subway network, but during construction it became clear that the costs of operation would be too high. Some lines were nearly finished (including tracks, overhead lines and stations) but were never used. These structures still exist today, overgrown and covered in graffiti.

Here's a wikipedia article (the ones in Dutch and French are better): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charleroi_Pre-metro

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Old June 17th, 2008, 01:49 PM   #34
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Was it so expensive, or did the government just change and the new government would rather spend this money elsewhere (i.e. roads)?
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Old June 17th, 2008, 03:51 PM   #35
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Part of Charleroi's (Belgium) subway network was abolished even before it was ever used. The city had ambitious plans for constructing a large subway network, but during construction it became clear that the costs of operation would be too high. Some lines were nearly finished (including tracks, overhead lines and stations) but were never used. These structures still exist today, overgrown and covered in graffiti.

Here's a wikipedia article (the ones in Dutch and French are better): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charleroi_Pre-metro
Wow, that's madness... fancy going as far as laying track, overhead wires and installing signals and escalators only to decide you can't afford rolling stock or staff... What a grotesque waste of public money!
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Old June 17th, 2008, 06:13 PM   #36
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Part of Charleroi's (Belgium) subway network was abolished even before it was ever used. The city had ambitious plans for constructing a large subway network, but during construction it became clear that the costs of operation would be too high. Some lines were nearly finished (including tracks, overhead lines and stations) but were never used. These structures still exist today, overgrown and covered in graffiti.

Here's a wikipedia article (the ones in Dutch and French are better): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charleroi_Pre-metro

Sheer wickedness.



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It wasn't a heavy rail subway line. More like a streetcar in a tunnel type of subway.
I couldn't disagree with you more, you other-Yorker you.

Looking carefully at photos of Rochester's abandonment, you'll recognize the hallmark of the massiveness to that very share of the empire state's infrastructure that, perceptibly, harks back to their supreme era there, i.e., I wager from its outset that its facilities were all built to ultimately take on heavy rail, whereafter its signalling would have been its lone adjustment.




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adding rude phrases coupling them with Canadian stereotypes just make you look like a fool.
'Bout stereotypes?!? My --oooooo!-- cwowning reactions are (at this crummy rate, isolating,) avowed FYIs to hapless readers to the customary, ponsy comments/replies devoid of any gob-smacking quality! I sure don't feel as though I'm the one here who's taking to categorizing any stereotype outta any nationwide habit....me, I took the courteous course by half-expecting somebody else to veer away-as-ever toward that fun front!

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everyone has the right to say whatever they want
Precisely! which is why my razored reflex whittles away lost entrances of interruptions like your very own ones....

BTW (in case any clarification be called for here), my ridiculing comment about nattering Cdn intent was debunking what the (brrrr!) flurry of this nation's --errrr-- patrons keeps dishing out, i.e., not regarding what either its recent conveyor or this country's peoples take to believing (coz I haven't been around these boards long enough to yet be pegging fault to such subscriptions....you never know, you just might see {maybe not that far off in the future after all}).

+BTW, deasine, has our existential trinity of a country ever triggered you into delicately treating the term ''international''? (Heck, yers might've frapped Pacific-bedrock by now....)

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Old June 18th, 2008, 11:40 AM   #37
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trainrover, your attitude sucks. Stop having your petty squabbles in this section and take them elsewhere, thanks.
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Well said. Time to delete a few posts I would guess.

That Belgian cancellation is crazy. I guess there might have been a change in government, to one dead-set against "wasting" any more money on the system. On the bright side, it probably wouldn't be too difficult to get it up and running again if future demand justified it.
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trainrover, your attitude sucks. Stop having your petty squabbles in this section and take them elsewhere, thanks.
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Well said. Time to delete a few posts I would guess.
Welcome to Showtime! boyz. Why else do we all come here, right, unless the matter really be thatcha gotta be mighty choosy 'roun' 'ere about --what?-- how you spit out what you've just lapped up......I'd be failing my ego were I otherwise.

This all reminds me of that pussed-out soft-cell of a song that goes Entertain me, I'm as blank as can be....


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the nature of trams is in no way mass-transit -- thanking you in advance for your categorical omission here.
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Trainrover, your comments are not appreciated nor are they even wanted. We are not here to satisfy your ego or entertain you, but we are here to discuss about abolished mass-transit networks around the world. Certainly, you don't want what happened between Taller, Better and yourself to happen with any moderators here...

Anyways back on topic here, it's scary how the Metro Leger Charleroi had all the stations nearly completed, and then canceling the entire project. Any plans in continuing what they left off?


Source: Wikipedia

And here was a map of Vancouver's Tram/Streetcar network back then. All of it gone now, most replaced with trolley buses [on the Vancouver side]. The purple routes are all gone too, with only the A1 and A2 replaced with SkyTrain.

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