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Old June 25th, 2008, 03:06 PM   #61
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hmm abolished subway networks i would say the NYC second system that they were going to put but it didn't got built fully?

i don't know why it wasn't completed though?
Bad timing and bad luck, I guess. Wall Street stock exchange crash, the Great Depression, WW II...and by the time everything had gotten economically and politically stable, there were cars and Robert Moses.

Not really a good recipe for major system expansions.
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Old June 30th, 2008, 09:52 PM   #62
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I stumbled upon some recent transit maps of the world book and became amazed by how many realignments the world's cities have seen just from poring over its maps. Some kind of abolition, huh? Cheesh, I never knew W Berlin trains skipped ghost stations to reach the termini.

Although strewn with many typos and factoids, the book's brilliant at niftily presenting details -- my substitute for stars:
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Old June 30th, 2008, 11:37 PM   #63
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I stumbled upon some recent transit maps of the world book and became amazed by how many realignments the world's cities have seen just from poring over its maps. Some kind of abolition, huh? Cheesh, I never knew W Berlin trains skipped ghost stations to reach the termini.

Although strewn with many typos and factoids, the book's brilliant at niftily presenting details -- my substitute for stars:
The author (Mark Ovenden) is a member here... but I haven't seen him on ssc for months.

I've met him, nice chap. He's currently working on the history of the Paris metro.
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Old July 6th, 2008, 08:50 PM   #64
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He's currently working on the history of the Paris metro.
Thanks, I can't wait to read his take on my favourite metro system. He himself also looks yummy.
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Old July 7th, 2008, 12:01 AM   #65
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Seattle once had a trolley system in the late 1800's and was removed in early 1940's to replace with trolley buses. We got a new streetcar line and may get another streetcar line by 2012.
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Old July 8th, 2008, 05:08 PM   #66
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Bad timing and bad luck, I guess. Wall Street stock exchange crash, the Great Depression, WW II...and by the time everything had gotten economically and politically stable, there were cars and Robert Moses.

Not really a good recipe for major system expansions.
I'd like to speculate, additionally-speaking that is, that Russia's --oooops!-- the USSR's gold bullion vanished . . .
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Old July 19th, 2008, 08:27 PM   #67
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Thanks, I can't wait to read his take on my favourite metro system.
I'd better retract my favourite claim.....I'm realizing that London's outdoor-running network was far more rewarding for me than Paris's.
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Old September 11th, 2009, 08:51 AM   #68
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Abandonment of subway networks may be easy for 1st world, but 2ND/3rd world can't even think about such a thinking.
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Old September 12th, 2009, 12:52 AM   #69
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No so-called first-world city worth existing is going to abandon its rail system. They would strangle to death within a day.

Every time New York's Subway or London's Underground shuts, the whole city just stops working.
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Old September 12th, 2009, 02:25 AM   #70
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I did a page once on abandonded subways, secret subways and abandoned stations. Its at http://www.subways.net/unknown.htm. If I left anything off please let me know!
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Old September 12th, 2009, 02:29 AM   #71
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Didn't Detroit recently shut down all their public transport or was it just all their buses? I remember reading this somewhere and thought it was mad, but typical of Dretroit.
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Old September 15th, 2009, 04:28 AM   #72
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My city ditched thier rail in the 50's.

They have realized thier mistake and are now building anew ^_^

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Old September 17th, 2009, 05:48 PM   #73
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Detroit transit was shut down temporarily, but not permanently. It may happen again temporarily if the budget does not get worked out. They did have a small street car line that closed a few years back (of course they used to have a much larger street car line).

Tampa had a two station elevated people mover that closed. The line was supposed to be the start of a down town circulator system. It ran from a parking garage to a mall/hotel. Interestingly, there is still a button on the elevator at the hotel for "People Mover Station". At its peak it carried 18,000 passengers in one day. Average daily ridership was pitiful at 1,200. The track and stations are now gone. Like most medium and large cities we also had an extensive tram/street car system that was mostly disbanded in favor of buses.




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Old September 18th, 2009, 06:56 PM   #74
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Chicago's 24-hour trams in the mid-20th century had the longest one-fare ride, the longest average ride, the most liberal transfer privileges, more miles of track, operated over more routes and kept more electric cars running than any other city in the world.

The countless tram carried nearly 900 million passengers in 1929, or an average of 272 trips for every man woman and child in the city. They were in use for 100 years, but then as happended all over the USA, the car companies bought out the tram companies, tore up EVERYTHING, delivered buses to be used instead, took their cash for the buses and walked away. By 1959 it was all gone in Chicago.

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Old September 18th, 2009, 11:06 PM   #75
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There was a line they started in Bratilslava that was never finished. Small sections of tunnel are supposedly still there.
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Old September 21st, 2009, 07:31 PM   #76
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Whoopsy, forgot SubBrit didn't allow embedding, now fixed

I love this one:

[img]http://i30.************/2wc2npi.jpg[/img]

Looks like Chicago or New York, not Liverpool!
Thats what I thought. I still don't know why they get rid of it!
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Old September 21st, 2009, 10:28 PM   #77
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Thats what I thought. I still don't know why they get rid of it!
Well, the docks died and then became deserted so there was hardly any passengers on it. Little did they know (or care) that the docks would be rebuilt into what it is today. It would have been so much nicer if it was mothballed and then existing today.

Much nicer. But I guess I can see their point.
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Old September 23rd, 2009, 12:22 AM   #78
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Well, the docks died and then became deserted so there was hardly any passengers on it. Little did they know (or care) that the docks would be rebuilt into what it is today. It would have been so much nicer if it was mothballed and then existing today.

Much nicer. But I guess I can see their point.
It may yet return. It was damaged during war raids and the costs at the time were some several million to modernise it in the 1950's.

The bus won out im afraid, there is talk of replacing its route with a monorail.
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Old September 23rd, 2009, 08:28 PM   #79
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In terms of rapid transit, I think New York City suffered the biggest loss with 100 km of elevated lines demolished, of which only about half have been replaced by more modern subway lines.
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In terms of rapid transit, I think New York City suffered the biggest loss with 100 km of elevated lines demolished, of which only about half have been replaced by more modern subway lines.
In terms of big cities, yes New York and maybe LA lost the most. LA had a huge tram/street car network, with some underground portions. Of course they have some LRT and subway lines in place now, but it is a mere shadow of the past network. However, many cities in the USA lost ALL of their transit systems in what some have called the transit holocaust.

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