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Old August 18th, 2017, 09:20 PM   #2201
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So when is it expected to be open? Surely it cannot be 2018 anymore?
Late 2018 to early 2019, since there will be no land expropriation.
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Old August 21st, 2017, 10:27 AM   #2203
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SRT has released presentation of SRT Red line and Bang Sue Grand Station


The rolling stocks by Hitachi that will be used for both the Dark Red Line and Light Red Line with a max speed of 160 km/h.



Progress of Dark Red Line stations.






Bang Sue Grand Station | U/C: 57.50%
Largest railway station in Southeast Asia with 26 platforms and with more than 280,000 m2 floor area

Second floor will have Dark Red Line and Light Red Line, as well as regional trains.







Third floor will have 4 High Speed Rail lines and the Airport Rail Link extension.





Progress of Bang Sue Grand Station.









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MoU between BTS and BEM about the joint ticketing system "Mangmoom card" will be signed on August 31.

For non-transport operators, they are currently negotiating with CP, Central and the Mall.

On October 1, passengers will be able to use Mangmoom card with BMA buses, then by the end of 2017 - early 2018 the card can be used with the Airport Rail Link and the Purple Line. The MRT and BTS lines will gradually start implementing the card from mid 2018 onwards.



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Old August 21st, 2017, 02:00 PM   #2205
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I would like to know:
1 - who is the owner of the Mangmoom project?
2 - Is there an official website where we can find more information about it?

As far as I can see, all the information we have is scattered around articles on the web.

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Old August 21st, 2017, 08:06 PM   #2206
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I'm reading this thread with interest. Seems like a massive expansion of public transport in Bangkok. Much needed no doubt, but I'm wondering about why it's finally happening right now instead of 10-15 years ago or not at all. Is financing better, government priorities different or some other reason? As far as I'm aware Thailand is still about the same middle income country as a decade ago so a massive influx of free cash is probably not it...
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I would like to know:
1 - who is the owner of the Mangmoom project?
2 - Is there an official website where we can find more information about it?

As far as I can see, all the information we have is scattered around articles on the web.

Thank you
The owner of the project is The Office of Transport and Traffic Policy and planning (OTP).

There used to be an official website before, however it is offline now (might be due to the numerous delays). Expect a new website or a Facebook page to emerge when the common ticket system launches in October

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I'm reading this thread with interest. Seems like a massive expansion of public transport in Bangkok. Much needed no doubt, but I'm wondering about why it's finally happening right now instead of 10-15 years ago or not at all. Is financing better, government priorities different or some other reason? As far as I'm aware Thailand is still about the same middle income country as a decade ago so a massive influx of free cash is probably not it...
In the past the government prioritize highways and expressways infrastructure to solve Bangkok's traffic problems, but it led to an increase of cars on the roads making traffic even more congested. Now, the priorities are on rail transportation to reduce logistic cost, and the railway gets the biggest share of budget.

Also, Thailand was a low middle income country before and is today a high middle income country with the aim of reaching high income by 2025-2030.

I think this article describes it best about Thailand's infrastructure plan

Thailand plans massive investment in transport infrastructure
10. January 2017



“The government’s priorities were already presented in the 'Transport Infrastructure Development Strategy 2015-2022'….The largest share is being spent on nine railway lines…followed by the expansion of the mass transport system in Bangkok.”

Thailand is aiming to set its course towards a long-term, sustainable and efficient national transport infrastructure within the next decade. Its estimated US$ 60 billion “Transport Strategy 2016-2022”, announced by the Public Debt Management Office in November 2016, not only promotes development, but also strengthens Thailandīs regional hub function in the ASEAN region. While priority is given to railways, Suvarnabhumi International Airport and Bangkokīs transportation system will be taken into account.

The government plans to invest close to US$ 60 billion in the development of its national transport system between 2016 and 2022. This is the current forecast, which was announced by the Public Debt Management Office in November 2016. The project will be mainly financed by loans (US$ 37.9 billion) as well as by the government budget (US$ 7.1 billion), contributions by public organisations (US$ 1.9 billion), Public Private Partnerships (PPP) (US$ 12.6 billion) and toll charges (US$ 400 million).

The government’s priorities were already presented in the “Transport Infrastructure Development Strategy 2015-2022” in 2015. Among the priorities, there are mainly 20 large-scale projects worth around US$ 51 billion. The largest share is being spent on nine railway lines (US$ 34 billion), followed by the expansion of the mass transport system in Bangkok for the Orange, Pink, Yellow, Red and Purple lines (US$ 11 billion). In addition, Suvarnabhumi International Airport will be expanded (US$ 1.5 billion), in order to increase its annual capacity from 45 million to 60 million passengers. The remainder is apportioned to the container port Laem Chabang and three highways.

PPP and Fast Track

Some projects have already started (Red Line and Blue Line), are well advanced (Green Line), or have even been completed (Purple Line). A significant number of further projects are expected to be adopted quickly by the Cabinet and will start in 2017. In order to speed up administrative procedures, the Public Private Partnership Law was modified in a groundbreaking way in 2015. As a result, the approval process is expected to take only nine months, in contrast to the previous average of 24 months. Furthermore, they do not have to be submitted automatically to the PPP Policy Committee, which is chaired by the Prime Minister, where they amount up to approximately US$ 150 million.

According to the "Fast Track Programme”, PPP projects are now being designed within 3.5 months, while the State Enterprise Policy Office has 15 days for making its review. The decision by the PPP Committee and the Cabinet should be taken within a maximum of 4.5 months. A PPP concession usually runs for more than 30 years.

The partnership in rail transportation usually consists of the state for land procurement, and private organisations, responsible for the construction, operation and maintenance of the rail system. The pipeline to 2019 includes 66 PPP projects worth a total of US$ 42 billion. For example, the additional Pink and Yellow mass transit lines have already been approved at an estimated sum of US$ 3.3 billion. So far, seven projects have been “fast tracked” by the Government; the other contenders include two highways and two high-speed train routes from Bangkok to Hua Hin and Rayong at a total cost of US$ 7.4 billion.

Railway given priority

The railway is playing a more important role in the infrastructure, mainly due to the doubling of tracks, since around 90 per cent of the tracks are currently "single tracked". The first phase involves seven projects with a length of 990 km and a total cost of US$ 4 billion. At the end of 2016, it was decided to lay the first three double-lane lines covering 403 km, at a cost of US$ 1.6 billion, from Lop Buri to Pak Nam Pho and from Hua Hin to Nakhon Pathom and Prachuap Khiri Khan. The second phase comprises seven additional double tracks with a total length of 1,536 km. The national budget for 2017 also includes four high-speed train services from Bangkok to Hua Hin, Rayong, Phitsanulok and Nakhon Ratchasima.

Japan and China are also taking a leading part in two major routes in the northern area, through government-to-government agreements. The Chinese project has a length of 867 km, running from Bangkok and Rayong to Nong Khai, which is close to the border with the Lao People’s Democratic Republic. The rolling stock and signal installations are based on Chinese technology. Construction of a 672 km route for high-speed trains (more than 200 km per hour) from Bangkok to Chiang Mai is being considered with Japan. In addition, three route sections in the east-west corridor from Bangkok to Kanchanaburi, Aranyaprathet and Laem Chabang are being taken into account. However, their development mostly includes an expansion from single to double track.

A boost for the industry

Development of the Eastern Economic Corridor (EEC), comprising the three provinces of Chon Buri, Rayong and Chachoengsao, is one of the government's flagship projects and is likely to benefit the most from the new transport concept. The consultancy firm Krungsi Research expects major gains from the fields of logistics, energy, biochemistry and tourism. However, the retail, real estate and construction sectors will also prosper. The law designed to manage the EEC and build up the infrastructure, is to be implemented in 2017, accompanied by massive government spending on transport facilities and industrial parks.

Within the larger political framework, the national transport concept joins, in the long term, with the objectives of achieving stronger industrial dynamics. The focus of the new national industrial concept, “Thailand 4.0”, on 10 clusters now being developed is partly due to their use of highly sophisticated structures and redesign. Agriculture, food, logistics, electronics, digital economics, biofuels as well as health and wellness tourism are seen as additional success-oriented clusters with broad ramifications and high export strength. New clusters to be developed with a high potential for the future include the aerospace industry, biochemistry, industrial robots, medical technology and the next generation of automobiles.

This article is written by Dr. Waldemar Duscha, GTAI Representative in Thailand

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Old August 22nd, 2017, 05:06 PM   #2209
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I'm reading this thread with interest. Seems like a massive expansion of public transport in Bangkok. Much needed no doubt, but I'm wondering about why it's finally happening right now instead of 10-15 years ago or not at all. Is financing better, government priorities different or some other reason? As far as I'm aware Thailand is still about the same middle income country as a decade ago so a massive influx of free cash is probably not it...
Short answer : The government.

Long answer : You would need to read about the history of Thailand's government and Bangkok's government over the last 15 years or so. It's pretty complex and involves a lot of information, in regards to transportation.

I'm not living in Thailand, but it seems to me, that the current military government is trying to push through a lot of projects that were constantly stalled before the military took over. (Important to note is that this is my opinion. People have different opinions of the current military government)
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Short answer : The government.

Long answer : You would need to read about the history of Thailand's government and Bangkok's government over the last 15 years or so. It's pretty complex and involves a lot of information, in regards to transportation.

I'm not living in Thailand, but it seems to me, that the current military government is trying to push through a lot of projects that were constantly stalled before the military took over. (Important to note is that this is my opinion. People have different opinions of the current military government)
Junta has to stimulate the construction of both double tracking nationwide and mass transit networks in Greater BKK and major cities but still have some political animosities between BMA vs MRTA as the following news has implied

Pink Monorail and yellow monorail delayed by 6 months due to the conflicts with BMA - and the removal of main water supply along with electric power lines

For Orange line western extension from Thailand cultural center to Bangkhunnont with the distance of 16.4 km and 109,342 million Baht investment, the investment plan delayed until April 2018 while the eastern section of Orange line still under negotiation with BMA - Bidding for Purple line southern extension will be on bidding in December 2017 and construction started in December 2018

For Phuket LRT, MRTA will ask cabinet approval in October 2018 so as to start the construction in December 2019 and opened in 2023
For Chiang Mai LRT, MRTA will ask cabinet approval in January 2019 so as to start the construction in March 2020 and opened in 2023
Either 100% private investment or PPP
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Yes, lots of political animosities and conflicts. Everybody (in the past) wants to get re-elected, right? "New" guy is just trying to get stuff done.

So, short story....the current government is why all this stuff is getting built now and not 10-15 years ago.
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Yes, lots of political animosities and conflicts. Everybody (in the past) wants to get re-elected, right? "New" guy is just trying to get stuff done.

So, short story....the current government is why all this stuff is getting built now and not 10-15 years ago.
์์Not just re-elected but just want to perpetuate power so they are eligible for State funeral and cremation for sure.
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Yes, lots of political animosities and conflicts. Everybody (in the past) wants to get re-elected, right? "New" guy is just trying to get stuff done.

So, short story....the current government is why all this stuff is getting built now and not 10-15 years ago.
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BMA Gold Line | 1.8 km - Bidding on 25 September

Gold line just got EIA approved. Bidding will take place on September 25, construction will begin at year end or early 2018 at the latest and be open for service in 2019.
Ticket price will be 15 baht for the whole route.

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Is it going to be a 15THB flat rate regardless of the destination?
e.g. from Krung Thonburi to Icon Siam Station or from Krung Thonburi to Khlong San Station will still be 15THB?
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BTS and BEM going to sign MOU for Maengmum Joint ticket system on 31 August 2017 - going to bring CP, Central Patana and the Mall to joint the Maengmum cards
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Short answer : The government.
It's interesting to see how the military government changed its mind over time. When they took power one of the first things they did was to scrap most pending infrastructure expansion plans. They denied any necessity for high speed rail routes in Thailand (if I remember it well the PM even called it a crazy idea), only to later make a 180 degree turn.
Guess they warmed up to the idea because they saw it as a good way to kickstart a slow economy through "megaprojects", besides the intrinsic benefits of more and better infrastructure.
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It's interesting to see how the military government changed its mind over time. When they took power one of the first things they did was to scrap most pending infrastructure expansion plans. They denied any necessity for high speed rail routes in Thailand (if I remember it well the PM even called it a crazy idea), only to later make a 180 degree turn.
Guess they warmed up to the idea because they saw it as a good way to kickstart a slow economy through "megaprojects", besides the intrinsic benefits of more and better infrastructure.

I have been following the infrastructure projects here together with my friends in the government since 1982. The problem in the past history of trying to complete the infrastructure plans which go back years, is that when one government is about to go out to tender for a lucrative infrastructure project, the opposition try to get the government out of office so that they can take it over. When the previous government announced B3 Trillion of infrastructure projects including high speed rail, Mass Transit expansion, roads and airports, the opposition demonstrated through occupy Bangkok and said that the B3 Trillion expenditure would ruin the country because it would take 60 years to pay back. Following the military coup, military government delayed the projects for review and decided that they would go ahead and that there would be no elections until all the infrastructure contracts have been signed. The only infrastructure plans I remember being cancelled or delayed indefinitely was the flood prevention scheme which was to be awarded to a Korean Company, following the 2011 floods. We now face possible widespread flooding in and around Bangkok as the "Super Floodway" project to divert water from Ayuthaya and bypass Bangkok to the sea, has not been constructed. The Military from Roman times have always been pro-infrastructure.
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