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Old April 21st, 2016, 04:27 AM   #1521
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Does anyone have some inside information on the Grey Line Monorail? I have a number of maps and the BMA presentations from http://www.bangkokgreyline.com. I know that BTS plan to take part in phase I, Thonglor to Watcharapol, but the phase II and III extensions to Rama III road and Tha Phra do not match the route shown on their other map which shows the extension running directly to Rama IX bridge and not taking the route following around the river. There is some indication that they also wish to replace the BRT route with this extension?
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Old April 22nd, 2016, 01:30 AM   #1522
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Does anyone have some inside information on the Grey Line Monorail? I have a number of maps and the BMA presentations from http://www.bangkokgreyline.com. I know that BTS plan to take part in phase I, Thonglor to Watcharapol, but the phase II and III extensions to Rama III road and Tha Phra do not match the route shown on their other map which shows the extension running directly to Rama IX bridge and not taking the route following around the river. There is some indication that they also wish to replace the BRT route with this extension?
The official route will follow the current BRT route and end at Tha Phra to connect with the blue line extension. The one going straight to Rama IX bridge is the old proposed route and is not possible, since the line can not pass the BTS pillars at Thong lo station as there is not enough space for the line pass beneath the BTS pillars and they also don't want to do land expropriation.

BMA considered scrapping BRT once phase II and III is carried out since it will make the BRT ineffective, however you should't look too much into it, since that will be beyond this Bangkok's governor administration. Right now BMA are focusing on getting two lines built. The first phase of grey line monorail and BTS dark green line extension Bang Wa to Tallin Chan.

Better wait for the official OTP map for the second phase of Bangkok mass transit plan which will include all these new lines and extensions.
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Old April 23rd, 2016, 02:29 AM   #1523
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Thank you for the clarification on the Grey Line monorail, the fog is beginning to clear.
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Old April 23rd, 2016, 11:49 AM   #1524
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Current Lines
  • BTS Light Green line - (22.25 km)
  • BTS Dark Green line - (14.5 km)
  • MRT Blue line - (20.8 km)
  • SRT Airport Rail Link - (28 km)
  • BMA Bangkok BRT - (16.5 km)

Under Construction
  • MRT Light Green line north extension - (18.4 km) - 5.56%
  • MRT Light Green line south extension - (12.8 km) - 82.02%
  • MRT Blue line extension - (27 km) - 74.73%
  • MRT Purple line - (23 km) - 100%
  • SRT Light Red line - (15 km) - 100%
  • SRT Dark Red line - (26 km) - 57%

Approved by the Cabinet
  • MRT Pink line Monorail - (34.5 km) - Bidding in June
  • MRT Yellow line Monorail - (30.4 km) - Bidding in June
  • MRT Orange line - (21 km) - Bidding in June

Under Ministerial Review
  • SRT Red line Missing Link extension - (25.5 km)
  • SRT Airport Rail Link extension - (21.8 km)
  • SRT Dark Red line extension - (10 km)

Under Environmental Impact Assessment (EIA)
  • MRT Purple line south extension - (24.8 km)
  • MRT Blue line west extension - (8 km)
  • MRT Orange line west extension - (17.5 km)
  • BMA Gold line - (2.7 km)
  • BMA Grey line Monorail - (16.25 km)
  • BMA Bang Na - Suvarnabhumi LRT - (19.2 km)
  • BTS Light Green line second south extension - (7 km)
  • BTS Light Green line second north extension - (6.5 km)
  • BTS Dark Green line extension - (7.5 km)
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Old April 23rd, 2016, 11:51 AM   #1525
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MRT Purple line - (23 km) - 100%

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Old April 23rd, 2016, 12:11 PM   #1526
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SRT Light Red line - (15 km) - 100%

After contract 3 was signed, they will now set up electrification and wait for the ordered trains to arrive, which is the same set of trains as the dark red line.









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Old April 24th, 2016, 04:44 AM   #1527
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The official route will follow the current BRT route and end at Tha Phra to connect with the blue line extension. The one going straight to Rama IX bridge is the old proposed route and is not possible, since the line can not pass the BTS pillars at Thong lo station as there is not enough space for the line pass beneath the BTS pillars and they also don't want to do land expropriation.

BMA considered scrapping BRT once phase II and III is carried out since it will make the BRT ineffective, however you should't look too much into it, since that will be beyond this Bangkok's governor administration. Right now BMA are focusing on getting two lines built. The first phase of grey line monorail and BTS dark green line extension Bang Wa to Tallin Chan.

Better wait for the official OTP map for the second phase of Bangkok mass transit plan which will include all these new lines and extensions.
According to one of my friends who is hoping to get the monorail train contract, the BMA also have the problem that they need land for a depot for Phase I as the depot was previously only planned to be located near Rama IX bridge.
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Old April 24th, 2016, 08:50 AM   #1528
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BMA is asking EXAT for permission to use the land along the ekamai-ramintra expressway for the depot.
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Old April 29th, 2016, 06:36 PM   #1531
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Anyone have a clue when the cabinet is going to green light the Blue Line Extension's rolling stock/systems contract?
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Anyone have a clue when the cabinet is going to green light the Blue Line Extension's rolling stock/systems contract?
First of all they still have to appoint an operator although last December it was scheduled to be decided in the first quarter of 2016. Despite the so called "Fast Track" buzz words, they still haven't decided on bids for an operator. We still have visions of passengers having somehow having to change trains between the current Blue Line trains and the Blue Line extension operator's trains if there is a separate operator. Only when the O&M contract is awarded will the operator be in a position to order the 30 additional 3 carriage trains for the extension. The completed line is scheduled to open in 2019 so expect the trains to be out for bidding sometime in 2017.
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Old May 2nd, 2016, 01:45 PM   #1533
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Anyone have a clue when the cabinet is going to green light the Blue Line Extension's rolling stock/systems contract?
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First of all they still have to appoint an operator although last December it was scheduled to be decided in the first quarter of 2016. Despite the so called "Fast Track" buzz words, they still haven't decided on bids for an operator. We still have visions of passengers having somehow having to change trains between the current Blue Line trains and the Blue Line extension operator's trains if there is a separate operator. Only when the O&M contract is awarded will the operator be in a position to order the 30 additional 3 carriage trains for the extension. The completed line is scheduled to open in 2019 so expect the trains to be out for bidding sometime in 2017.

Given to cabinet for approval tomorrow or next week at the latest. If BEM is chosen, everything will be settled this month.
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First lot of refurbished BMTA buses will be running at the start of this month.

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Thank you, In Fra Structure and Codename B.

So let's assume BEM is chosen, then they could very quickly turn around and announce who will be providing the rolling stock/signalling/other systems contract?
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Thank you, In Fra Structure and Codename B.

So let's assume BEM is chosen, then they could very quickly turn around and announce who will be providing the rolling stock/signalling/other systems contract?
Yes. But they will not order the rolling stock until 2 years before opening the extension, so that means next year. I can't see that there would be a different supplier for the signaling due to interconnectivity. However, Bombardier took over the BTS signaling which was originally by Siemens.

Update from Today's Nation Newspaper:

The Mass Rapid Transit Authority (MRTA) will today submit to the Cabinet two options for solving a looming interconnection problem affecting two urban-rail lines in Bangkok.

If unsolved, the problem would prevent trains connecting between the Purple Line's Tao Pun and Blue Line's Bang Sue stations when the Bang Yai-Tao Pun route opens on August 6.

The first option calls for the government to negotiate an extension of the existing concession for the Hua Lampong-Bang Sue route by one more station to cover Tao Pun.

The second option would involve the concessionaire of the Blue Line running the train service between Tao Pun and Bang Sue stations prior to the opening of the Blue Line.



The government is expected to select the operator of the Blue Line's extended route this month.
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From Code Name B: First lot of refurbished BMTA buses will be running at the start of this month.

Following a discussion on the continuing rejection of BMA bids on the purchase of buses due to suspected corruption, I suggested that they should refurbish their existing buses. I used to work with all the UK Bus Companies and London Transport used to design their buses to be refurbished. However, on reflection I do not think that refurbishing buses will stop the opportunity for incentives to be paid.
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Yes. But they will not order the rolling stock until 2 years before opening the extension, so that means next year. I can't see that there would be a different supplier for the signaling due to interconnectivity. However, Bombardier took over the BTS signaling which was originally by Siemens.

Update from Today's Nation Newspaper:

The Mass Rapid Transit Authority (MRTA) will today submit to the Cabinet two options for solving a looming interconnection problem affecting two urban-rail lines in Bangkok.

If unsolved, the problem would prevent trains connecting between the Purple Line's Tao Pun and Blue Line's Bang Sue stations when the Bang Yai-Tao Pun route opens on August 6.

The first option calls for the government to negotiate an extension of the existing concession for the Hua Lampong-Bang Sue route by one more station to cover Tao Pun.

The second option would involve the concessionaire of the Blue Line running the train service between Tao Pun and Bang Sue stations prior to the opening of the Blue Line.



The government is expected to select the operator of the Blue Line's extended route this month.
As always, thank you for your expertise.
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Old May 6th, 2016, 09:04 AM   #1539
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The subway extension may become an agent of homogenization in one of Bangkok's most traditional and distinctive quarters.

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For nearly a century Thanuan Amnueilap has watched history sweep through the bustling maze of alleyways that make up Bangkok's Chinatown, one of the city's few districts yet to be devoured by malls and high-rise condos. But change is coming -- and fast. The Blue Line extension of the MRT subway soon will plough straight into the heart of the historic quarter, and in the process transform a chaotic, but charming, area into a property goldmine. "We can't do anything," the 92-year-old said from a noodle stall tucked inside a lane of shophouses. His neighbourhood, known as Charoen Chai, lies near the proposed new subway station, which is set to open in 2018 and will link the riverside district to Bangkok's glitzy downtown. Around 60 families have lived there for generations selling joss paper and other wares, but now they fear eviction as the developers -- and their influential Bangkok backers -- close in. Scores of homes across the street have already been knocked down to clear a path for the Blue Line, and land prices have soared more than 20% over the past five years. The cards are stacked against Mr Thanuan and his neighbours, whose land is owned by a charity run by Bangkok's governor. "If they want us to leave, we have to leave," Mr Thanuan said before sidling back to his modest home, where a sign still bears the name of the clinic his father ran before hospitals were widespread. The governor's charity would not comment on its plans for the area. But it has stopped offering long-term leases in favour of monthly ones since the subway plans were set. That has left the community in constant fear of eviction, a fate that has befallen tenants across the district.

Chinatown emerged in the 18th century, when throngs of traders transformed the area into a commercial hub. It is one of the world's oldest and largest Chinese diasporas, with many tracing their ancestry to boat migrants who fled famines in southern China and arrived with meagre savings, often sleeping dozens to a room. Elders still chatter in their Teochew dialect. Bangkok's financial sector has since shifted east, but its business elite is dominated by tycoons who grew up on Chinatown's streets, some of the country's most-striking rags-to-riches stories. Yet some of those same figures are now behind the conglomerates gobbling up swaths of Chinatown's desirable riverside land. TCC Land, a company run by Chinatown-bred Charoen Sirivadhanabhakdi, one of the country's richest magnates and owner of the Chang beer empire, has already bought up a clutch of shops famous for selling auto parts and musical instruments down the road from Charoen Chai. Plans for that area, known as Woeng Nakhon Kasem, are still under discussion. But fear abounds that the company will build a mall similar to the one it erected down the river.

Unable to outbid Bangkok's billionaire developers, Charoen Chai residents have instead focused on making the case for their neighbourhood's historic value. Sirinee Urunanont, 45, took the lead and turned a shophouse down the street from hers into a museum showcasing the simple, dimly lit abode where a Chinese opera troupe used to live. "We need to show people why we want to keep this area," she told AFP. Yongtanit Pimonsathean, a professor of architecture at Bangkok's Thammasat University, has spent years lobbying the government to safeguard Chinatown's historic structures. "The conservation system in Thailand is more about preserving temples, not common property like shophouses or markets," he said from an office stacked with colour-coded maps marking the neighbourhood's treasures. While the government only lists 26 Chinatown buildings as heritage sites, Mr Yongtanit and his group of preservationists say there are nearly 7,000 that need protection, including those in Chaoren Chai. The biggest challenge, he says, is getting city planners to listen to local residents rather than the developers. "It's very hard to get voices from the community to reach those people," the professor explained.

Despite grassroots resistance, communities across Bangkok are facing extinction as authorities escalate a campaign to sanitise streets known for their character. Much-loved outdoor markets have been dismantled overnight, drawing condemnation from locals and visitors alike. The head of Bangkok's city planning council dismisses these sweep-ups as minor. Instead he points to his ambitious plan for Chinatown, laid out in elaborate presentation posters and cardboard models featuring leafy parks and tidy waterfronts. But Ms Sirinee and others bracing for eviction say their voices are not being heard. "I want people to know that we have sent a letter to many organisations," she said, listing off various government bodies she's petitioned to help save the community. "But after that nothing happened. So many times like this, but never any action."
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