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Old May 6th, 2016, 01:00 PM   #1541
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I can't see why it is stupid. Chinatown has a unique character and population and that may deserve a more thoughtful modernization.
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Mainly because they always sympathize with those illegal (mafia) vendors that obstruct the sidewalks all over Bangkok, thinking they're poor, when in fact they all have iPads, cars and earns a lot more than office workers.

Has this news been in Thai, the reaction from thai people would had been very different, and basically we want them all gone from the sidewalks.

For China Town redevelopment, this is how it's gonna look like and most Thai people want it and not the untidy and illegal vendors infested place that it is today.

It's not gonna turn into Siam like the news suggest, just making it more tidy, pedestrian friendly and orderly.

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Old May 6th, 2016, 02:56 PM   #1543
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Oh well, if you want to believe street vendors are all well-off, then that's up to you. It's ok to reduce the grubbiness of the place by renovating and upgrading the buildings and removing the utterly ugly cable mess, but a gentrified Chinatown without street vendors and the myriad of little shops wouldn't be the real thing. Who needs another sterilized Chinatown as in Singapore, which has a Disneyland-style fake feel?
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It seems you don't know a thing about street vendors. Yes most of them are well off mainly those in Bangkok central areas and some of them aren't even thais. It was even in thai news, how much these illegal vendors earn by illegally using public spaces and sidewalks. Only tourists and expats would think otherwise and pity them.

The "who" you are speaking of is most Thai people who actually lives in the city and wants them organized or gone, and not some tourist who are only there for a visit and then off they go. Try living with it everyday and have to risk your life walking on the roads or walk through the amount of garbages that these vendors produce everyday, there's no charm about it.

Also one of the reason why the current Bangkok Governor is under pressure to resign.

Thai facebook page: say no to stall to give you a feel of the real situation many thais face and complaint about.
https://www.facebook.com/saynostall/
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Old May 6th, 2016, 04:40 PM   #1545
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Oh well, if you want to believe street vendors are all well-off, then that's up to you. It's ok to reduce the grubbiness of the place by renovating and upgrading the buildings and removing the utterly ugly cable mess, but a gentrified Chinatown without street vendors and the myriad of little shops wouldn't be the real thing. Who needs another sterilized Chinatown as in Singapore, which has a Disneyland-style fake feel?
the new generation fed up with such old thing so they prefer sterilized Chinatown as in Singapore
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For the issue related to red line commuter from Bangsue Central to Rangsit and the extension of BTS Skytrain, I can give the background about the evolution that compel the need for red line commuter from Bangsue Central to Rangsit and the extension of BTS Skytrain to be implemented despite of running in parallel.

1. After the railway has been opened to Ayutthaya on 26 March 1897 and extended to Kaeng Khoi on 1 November 1897, this has help to started some movements to the suburb such as Bangsue (stationed opened on 26 March 1897 ), Bang Khen (station opened on 1 November 1897), Laksi (stationed opened on 26 March 1897), Donmueang (station opened on 1 November 1897) and Klong Rangsit (stationed opened on 26 March 1897 ) even though the areas around the stations in question were paddy fields ....

2. the creation of Donmueang Aerodrom run by Aviation Section of Siamese Army on in March 1915 which has become both Donmueang International Airport and Donmueang AFB as known today have compelled to set up the community. Since there was NO Pahonyothin road, those men had to set up their own housing near Donmueang railway station and Wat Donmueang and use sububan line to go between Ministry of War in BKK and Donmueang - at the same time the create of Siam cement factory also need to set up the housing for workers and officers around Bangsue station

3. the opening of Phahonyothin road as Bangkok - Donmueang road from Sanam Pao intersection (Now Victory Monument circle) to Donmueang (the Northern end of Donmueang Airport) in 1936, people starting to set up the new house along Bangkok - Donmueang road ... at the same time there was a new road to Bang Khen station (now Ngam Wongwan road) and Laksi station (now Chaeng Watthana road) has allowed more people to live along the roads - in addition to around railway stations - the Opening of Kasetsart University in 1943 has allowed the set up of community around Kaset area ... while RTAF men also expanded the housing eastward ...

3.1 at that time ONLY tricycles were available to connect between those who live in Phahonyothin road with Bangkhen and Laksi station as this area still too remote for taxi and there was either the buses run by Transport Co. Ltd. or suburban train to allow the connection between Bangkok city center and Donmueang

3.2 at the same time, Sukhumvit road as Bangkok - Samut Prakarn road has been opened in September 1936 after the opening of Ploenchit road around 1920's has allowed the expansion of Bangkok all the way from Ploengchit all the way to Samut Prakarn and at that time Asoke area were full of paddy fields ... allowing those aristocrats to move to the suburbs as there were buses by transportation Co. Ltd. and the White buses of Nai loed to run along Sukhumvit road.

4. the extension of Phahonyothin road to Lopburi in 1940 allowed the expansion further to Rangsit area but the real boom of the Northern Suburbs have started with the construction of the escape routes after Bangkok was under the Air raids during WWII including

4.1 the road to Laksi station has extended to Pakkret (Chaeng Watthana road) and Minburi (Ram Indra road)
4.2 the road to Bang Khen station has been extended to kae Rai (Ngam Wongwan road) -
4.3 Pracharat Sai 1 road and Pracharat Sai 2 road to allow the connection between Bangsue Juction with the new road to Nonthaburi (Bangkok - Nonthaburi road) and the new road to Pathumthani (Tiwanont road) ...
4.4 Lad Phrao road to allow those who live around Bangsue area to escape to Minburi

Nevertheless it took the post WWII to realize such suburban booms as there were the expansion of the buses run by 24 companies and state enterprises to use those escape routes as well as the existing routes ... the creation of Saphan Mai market in 1950's and other housing and apartments by National Housing Authority

5. This evolution have made people stick with the routes they have been familiar with ... they will use the parallel routes ONLY when the familiar routes are jammed or being repaired ...
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It seems you don't know a thing about street vendors. Yes most of them are well off mainly those in Bangkok central areas and some of them aren't even thais. It was even in thai news, how much these illegal vendors earn by illegally using public spaces and sidewalks. Only tourists and expats would think otherwise and pity them.
I know it's a gold mine. Even farangs can't resist and want to become rich as a Chinatown street vendor.

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I could understand why westerners come to Thailand and feel like Thai street food is cool. It is sort of like westerners wanting to go to Africa to see the rawness of the region. Many of these people think underdevelopment is a charm. Unfortunately, this charm that western tourists want to experience is actually a sign of, among many other things, ineffective law enforcement, which is the root of many other problems that exist in many countries including Thailand.
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Old May 6th, 2016, 09:13 PM   #1549
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4 out of 672 refurbished BMTA buses now in service. The other old buses will be gradually refurbished with 40-50 refurbished buses entering service every two months.

For the procurements of new buses. 489 new NGV buses and 200 new electric buses will be up for online auction on July 8 and is expected to arrive in October.

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Old May 6th, 2016, 09:25 PM   #1550
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Unfortunately, this charm that western tourists want to experience is actually a sign of, among many other things, ineffective law enforcement, which is the root of many other problems that exist in many countries including Thailand.
Technically that's right, but I think informally "allowing" street vendors is a pragmatic solution that gives many people an income. There are over 100.000 street vendors in Bangkok alone, which makes it quite an economic factor. And it is nowhere as chaotic and "rough" as in third world countries.

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If somebody wants good law enforcement, they should first clean up the disgraceful Royal Thai Police, which itself is a semi-criminal organisation rotten to the core and corrupt from head to toe. But good luck trying ...
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There are lots of streets vendors in BKK but not that many. There are only 21,000+ street vendors.

They don't contribute anything to the city and most of the stuff they sell can be brought at stores or at restaurants at the same price.

They don't pay rent and no taxes and earn about 30,000 baht a month or more depending on the location. They are just people taking advantage of public spaces.


Thankfully BMA is evicting them one area at a time and that's why you see those news pop up in BP from time to time.

Some recent examples. See how bad it were before, looked like a slum.

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This clip summarise it all and what BMA is currently doing

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OK, there sure are some excesses which should be taken some action against. Yet all in all I don't think it's such a big deal and I certainly don't feel like "risking my life" (your words) when walking between street vendors (the only risky thing about Thai streets is stupid driving and motorcycles on the footpath). I also understand that maybe middle und upper class Thai would rather prefer a city with more visual resemblance of some "first world" city, but then one can't ignore that Thailand isn't a first world country with a highly formalized economy and won't be for some more decades to come - Thailand's informal sector is huge and it certainly won't disappear overnight (if you evict them at one place they'll pop up at another). And finally I just can't imagine Thailand without the ubiquitous street food vendors, it wouldn't be Thailand.
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Technically that's right, but I think informally "allowing" street vendors is a pragmatic solution that gives many people an income. There are over 100.000 street vendors in Bangkok alone, which makes it quite an economic factor. And it is nowhere as chaotic and "rough" as in third world countries.
Solving problems by allowing illegal activities is not the right way to help people, period. Giving people the idea that it is okay to break the law is very deleterious to the society in the long run. Besides, as Codename B pointed out, I don't think that the majority of these illegal street vendors are poor. There are many other people out there who are capable of earning money without having to break the law. And just because things are not as bad as some other countries doesn't mean it is good either.
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Solving problems by allowing illegal activities is not the right way to help people, period. Giving people the idea that it is okay to break the law is very deleterious to the society in the long run.
Again: technically correct, but very outside the Thai reality. Two out of three working Thai are in the informal sector (not all of them street vendors, of course, but there are many), which at least partially operates outside the law (especially with regard to taxation).
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[QUOTE=Codename B;132593623]There are lots of streets vendors in BKK but not that many. There are only 21,000+ street vendors.

They don't contribute anything to the city and most of the stuff they sell can be brought at stores or at restaurants at the same price.

They don't pay rent and no taxes and earn about 30,000 baht a month or more depending on the location. They are just people taking advantage of public spaces.

Point of order: Sorry, but the National Statistics office put the figure between at between 250,000 and 380,000 street vendors. We have 1,000s in my area alone. I think your figure has a zero missing and is probably around 210,000 now after the BMA clamp down and economic problems that is putting many vendors out of business.


The local street vendors are charged rent to cover lighting and power. They also used to have to pay protection money to the police but the BMA inspector put a stop to that (according to the traders).

As for the Video, this is pure propaganda and even on Silom rd we are back to a narrow gap between stalls for pedestrians to pass by.

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Point of order: Sorry, but the National Statistics office put the figure between at between 250,000 and 380,000 street vendors. We have 1,000s in my area alone. I think your figure has a zero missing and is probably around 210,000 now after the BMA clamp down and economic problems that is putting many vendors out of business.
There are 18,956 street vendors using public spaces as of 08/03/2016 in 616 designated areas, where street vendings are allowed. A decline from 20,170 from two years ago, where BMA began clamping down on them and reducing the designated areas.

Official numbers from BMA: http://www.bangkok.go.th/citylaw/page/sub/4043

The estimates by NESDB are very old and from 1997 and 2000 after the crisis. A discrepancy in the statistics is due to the fact that many vendors are officially renting their selling spaces or selling in other locations, such as public markets, rather than using public space and therefore are counted in the labour statistics but not in the BMA data.

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The local street vendors are charged rent to cover lighting and power. They also used to have to pay protection money to the police but the BMA inspector put a stop to that (according to the traders).

As for the Video, this is pure propaganda and even on Silom rd we are back to a narrow gap between stalls for pedestrians to pass by.

Their "rent" were something like 100 baht a day depending on the location.

As for the clip, that was just to give an overview (the clip was from last year btw). It's not pure propaganda, as some place were quite successful at keeping them away and then there are some place like Silom with persistent street vendors + the incompetence of the current BMA governor to prevent them from coming back. Everybody wants him gone at this point.

All this is off-topic though. Let's get back to the thread.
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MRT Light Green line south extension - (12.8 km) - 82.02%

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Bearing to Samut Prakarn extension of BTS is 82.8 % done
https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=OUgB87w42z0

Test run of Purple line (Tao Poon - Bang Yai) on 10 May 2016
http://www.nationtv.tv/main/content/...ess/378500932/

MRTA asking for the following 5 subway - monorail projects with the total price tag of 259 billion Baht to get cabinet approval by the end of 2016:

1. Purple line Southern extension - Tao Poon - Rat Boorana - Kru Nai at 131 billion Baht
2. Green line Bang Poo extension from Samut Prakarn to Bang Poo at 13.7 billion Baht
3. Green line Lam Lookka extension from Khoo Khot to Lam Lookka at 11.9 billion Baht
4. Orange line Western extension - Talingchan - Thailand Cultural Center at 131 billion Baht
5. Blue ring extension from Bang Khae (Lak Song) to Buddha Monthon Sai 4 (border of BKK) at 17.2 Billion Baht

Cabinet has already approved the following line to be implemented - now TOR drafted to call the bidding
1. Orange line - Minburi - Thailand Cultural Center
2. Pink Monorail - Kae Rai - Lak Si - Wat Phra Sri - Minburi
3. Yellow Monorail - Lad Phrao - Samrong
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