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Old December 29th, 2016, 07:13 PM   #1861
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Sorry, SCOMI failed to meet the requirement that Bangkok Monorail must be able to carry the passengers at the rate of 40000 passengers/hr/direction at any given time - BSR is likely to pick Bombardier Innovia Monorail 300,
According to Hitachi's own numbers, they can't fulfill this requirement either.

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Old December 29th, 2016, 07:15 PM   #1862
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Chungchun railway vehicles already builds Hitachi Monorail trains and Bombardier light rail trains (but not yet their Monorail Trains) in China in JVs with these bidders. According to my inside sources, Hitachi are favoured as the trains would be built by Chungchun who are an existing BTS train supplier. If Chungchun make a deal to also build the Bombardier Monorail trains in their factory in China, Bombardier would be quite competitive. However, the BTS may decide to buy trains from both companies, as it has and is doing for the Green Line.
CSR Puzhen Bombardier in Nanjing is the JV that builds the Innovia line. The Changchun Bombardier JV builds the Movia line.
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Old December 29th, 2016, 07:22 PM   #1863
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As for Malaysia, we are going away with monorail since there is no obvious cost advantage vs lrt especially in regards to its implementation in greater KL. Only in Putrajaya, our administration capital, they might revive the monorail system since its tunnel was already built in 1997 (but had to be cancelled after 1997 asian financial crisis).
I read that bangkok chose monorail since its less costly than lrt. So after this you wont be building any more lrt/skytrain systems? Will future expansions be limited to only mrt and monorail?
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Old December 30th, 2016, 04:56 AM   #1864
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According to Hitachi's own numbers, they can't fulfill this requirement either.

http://www.hitachi-rail.com/products...feature01.html
Hitachi meets the requirement. The mistake you make, is that the Hitachi figure you quote, is for a 180 second head way and Bombardier quote 49,600pphpd for the absolute maximum of 75 seconds headway. The Hitachi Monorail can deliver 49,360pphpd at a more realistic 90 second interval.

Not sure why SCOMI has been rejected (if true). SCOMI have an 8 car train which can carry 1,000Passengers per train = 45,000pphd at a 90second headway. Their brochure only shows trains up to 6 cars in length, but they have already supplied longer to Sao Paulo Brazil.

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Old December 30th, 2016, 05:09 AM   #1865
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As for Malaysia, we are going away with monorail since there is no obvious cost advantage vs lrt especially in regards to its implementation in greater KL. Only in Putrajaya, our administration capital, they might revive the monorail system since its tunnel was already built in 1997 (but had to be cancelled after 1997 asian financial crisis).
I read that bangkok chose monorail since its less costly than lrt. So after this you wont be building any more lrt/skytrain systems? Will future expansions be limited to only mrt and monorail?
All types of systems are part of the master plan and are dependent on passenger number projections. The Yellow Line is designed to mainly replace the 145 Bus route which used to be quite speedy 20 years ago ,but now takes a very long time at peak hours. Similarly the Pink Monorail Line. There will be at least three additional Monorails going ahead next year. The problem with KL is that the population is very small at only 1.76 Million. The catchment area for the Greater Bangkok Metropolis on the other hand, has a population of around 20 million not including transients such as tourists and visitors here on business.
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Old January 4th, 2017, 07:52 AM   #1866
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Now, OTP agrees to shorten the Orange line subway to Bang Khun Nont to prevent line duplication with red line commuter extension from Taling Chan to Salaya and Taling Chan to Siriraj (Thonburi) while still connecting with Blue Ring extension, effectively cutting the construction cost by 7000 Million Baht

the list of stations along red line commuter extension from Taling Chan to Salaya and Taling Chan to Siriraj (Thonburi) with a price tag of 19,042.14 Million Baht and distance of 20 km:
Talingchan - Thonburi:
1. Thonburi-Siriraj [Connecting with Orange line],
2. Charansanitwongse [connecting with Blue ring and Orange line at Bang Khun Nont]
3. Talingchan Floating Market [AKA Bang Ramad]
4. Talingchan Junction [connecting with existing red line commuter]

Talingchan - Salaya:
1. Ban Chimplee station
2. Kanchanaphisek Ring (near Buddha Monthon Sai 2)
3. Sala Thammasob
4. Salaya

the list of stations along Orange line MRT with a price tag of 123,354 Million Baht and distance of 16.4 km:

1. Prachasongkraw
2. Dindaeng
3. Rajprarob
4. Pratoo Nam
5. Rajthewee (Connecting with BTS)
6. Yommaraj (connecting with red line commuter)
7. Lan Luang
8. Democracy Monument (connecting with purple line)
9. Sanam Luang (at the Northern section of Sanam Luang)
10. Siriraj (Connecting with red line)
11. Bang Khun Nont

http://www.manager.co.th/iBizChannel...=9600000000667

Maeng Moom joint ticket will be ready for subway - skytrain and Chao Phraya boat service in April 2017
http://www.posttoday.com/biz/gov/473547
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Old January 4th, 2017, 07:58 AM   #1867
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As for Malaysia, we are going away with monorail since there is no obvious cost advantage vs lrt especially in regards to its implementation in greater KL. Only in Putrajaya, our administration capital, they might revive the monorail system since its tunnel was already built in 1997 (but had to be cancelled after 1997 asian financial crisis).
I read that bangkok chose monorail since its less costly than lrt. So after this you wont be building any more lrt/skytrain systems? Will future expansions be limited to only mrt and monorail?
Monorail networks are for feeding the main lines - but the suburbs are spreading out so it has to be such long monorail lines with high capacity
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Old January 4th, 2017, 08:02 AM   #1868
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All types of systems are part of the master plan and are dependent on passenger number projections. The Yellow Line is designed to mainly replace the 145 Bus route which used to be quite speedy 20 years ago ,but now takes a very long time at peak hours. Similarly the Pink Monorail Line. There will be at least three additional Monorails going ahead next year. The problem with KL is that the population is very small at only 1.76 Million. The catchment area for the Greater Bangkok Metropolis on the other hand, has a population of around 20 million not including transients such as tourists and visitors here on business.
For the case of pink monorail, it is a supplement to Bus Route 150 (Pakkret - Ram Indra - Khannayao - Nawamin - Happyland), Bus route 51 (Pakkret - Kasetsart University) Bus route 52 (Pakkret - Mochit - Saphan Kwai - Bangsue), but route 356 (Pakkret - Saphan Mai / Pakkret - Donmuang - Saphan Mai ring) along with Van route 10 (Pakkret - Mochit) and van route 84 (Pakkret - Minburi)- even though Van No 84 is the main casualty
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Old January 4th, 2017, 09:53 AM   #1869
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Old January 4th, 2017, 04:21 PM   #1870
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That's some extensive planning right there!

I don't know how effective those lines function currently but I hope it does not fail to suffice
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Old January 4th, 2017, 05:20 PM   #1871
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Can somebody rehost the image archstudent linked to? I tried two different ISPs in the USA and it will not load for me.
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Old January 9th, 2017, 04:28 AM   #1873
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Old January 10th, 2017, 11:38 PM   #1875
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BMTA 489 NGV Busses

The first lot of NGV busses (291 out of 489) are ready to leave Laem Chabang port. The first 89 busses are expected to enter service in February, while the rest will be ready at the end of February.













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Old January 12th, 2017, 05:59 AM   #1876
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All types of systems are part of the master plan and are dependent on passenger number projections. The Yellow Line is designed to mainly replace the 145 Bus route which used to be quite speedy 20 years ago ,but now takes a very long time at peak hours. Similarly the Pink Monorail Line. There will be at least three additional Monorails going ahead next year. The problem with KL is that the population is very small at only 1.76 Million. The catchment area for the Greater Bangkok Metropolis on the other hand, has a population of around 20 million not including transients such as tourists and visitors here on business.

Why did you put the figure for Bangkok including whole metropolitan area, but restrict KL's figure to only within the boundaries of City council?

Greater KL is home to 8-9 million people.
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Why did you put the figure for Bangkok including whole metropolitan area, but restrict KL's figure to only within the boundaries of City council?

Greater KL is home to 8-9 million people.
Yes Greater KL is around 7.5 Million people or 25% of the Malaysian population. However the coverage of the Mass Transit is not as yet planned to cover the whole of Greater KL so that a station is a short distance from most potential passengers. Because of the low population compared to Bangkok I think that complete coverage of Greater KL is not likely in the future. The point is that the problem with KL mass transit ,especially the monorail, is the low population which is the answer to the poster's question.
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Old January 13th, 2017, 02:14 PM   #1878
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Why did you put the figure for Bangkok including whole metropolitan area, but restrict KL's figure to only within the boundaries of City council?

Greater KL is home to 8-9 million people.
Well, For the case of Bangkok (actually Greater BKK), it has become A RULE of THUMB since 1960's to include those who live in Nonthaburi (Northern Suburb) and Samut Phrakarn (Southern Subway) - due to the fact that the major movement have involved around the movement to the Northern suburb and Southern suburb in addition to the movement to Eastern suburbs in Minburi - Lad Krabang - Nong Chok and the movement across Chao Phraya river to Thonburi or even Taliang CHan (Northwestern suburb), Bang Khae - Nong Kham (Western suburb), Bang Khun Thian - Rama 2 - Bang Mod - Phra Padaeng (Southwestern suburb) -

cutting down Bang Khunnont to Taling Chan section from 16.4 km at 123,354 Million Baht to 12.9 km at 111,186 Million Bahthas saved MRTA by 7 billion Baht for the construction of Western extension of Orange line MRT - - construction cost down from 97,271 Million Baht to 90,271 Million Baht - furthermore, the private sector who run Orange line must get the whole orange line
http://www.prachachat.net/news_detai...sid=1484128182

Besrin is going to take another few days to take 291 Aircon NGV buses out of Laem Chabang - paying the custom duty - 427 million Baht custom duty to pay the custom dept to get 291 NGV buses released -
http://m.posttoday.com/biz/gov/475156
http://thaipublica.org/2017/01/ngv-buses-2/
http://www.prachachat.net/news_detai...sid=1484129851
http://www.dailynews.co.th/economic/548111

2.57 km of subway including a tunnel across Chao Phraya river is no shortage of amazement
http://pe.eng.ku.ac.th/files/semimar...7/details.html

Auditing General grilling BMTA Board who sign the contract with Bestrin Thailand for NGV buses despite of the series of wrongdoings
http://www.isranews.org/component/co...ppp-52940.html

the latest news about Khon Kaen LRT
https://www.facebook.com/pg/kktt.kho...64693583601940

Tax clearance allow the release of 291 NGV buses from Laem CHabang
http://manager.co.th/Local/ViewNews....=9600000002827

Need private sector to run Phadung Krungkasem Boat service - with daily passengers of 2000 men a day
http://www.dailynews.co.th/bangkok/547949

Junta policy of replacing intercity vans with microbuses started on 1 july 2017 and done in 2019
http://skynews.thaimom.net/51427/
http://www.edtguide.com/lifestyle/455482/microbus-2560

the owners of van services around Victory monument gone mad at Junta's policy of replacing vans with microbuses - going to sell of their business at 100 million Baht
http://www.prachachat.net/news_detai...sid=1483967704
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Old January 14th, 2017, 05:02 PM   #1879
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Old January 15th, 2017, 12:10 AM   #1880
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After the endless complain about the cases of the stations with different names due to the different operators despite of the status as Interchange stations, MRTA has to come up with new criteria of station naming that fit into Thai people's mindsets that pay more attention on the area around stations rather than road name that intersect with the stations which has been proven to be totally unfit into the mindsets of Thai people.

Here are the list of 4 interchanges which have become a bone of contention for MRTA

1) Mochit of BTS vs Chatuchak Park of MRTA
2) Asok of BTS vs Sukhumvit of MRTA
3) Saladaeng of BTS vs Silom of MRTA
4) Makkasan station of Airport Link vs Phetburi station of MRTA

The station naming issue need to have a consent from BTS and SRT to gain the consensus that every party can agree with

For the case of stations of the planned lines / under construction line, here is the list of the bone of contention

1) Phatthankarn station of MRTA Yellow Line Monorail (Lad Phrao - Samrong) vs Hua Mark station of Airport Link - MRTA agrees to change the station name to Hua Mark since Yellow line monorail has to interchange at that Hua Mark station of Airport Link
2) Thonburi - Siriraj station of MRTA Orange line subway vs Siriraj station of Red line commuter - MRTA agrees to change the station name to Siriraj as requested by SRT
3) Bang Khun Nont station of MRTA Orange line subwayy vs Charansanitwongse station of Red line commuter - SRT agrees to change Charansanitwongse station to bang Khun Nont station

4) Hua Mark station of MRTA Orange line subway vs Hua Mark station of Airport Link which is too far away - need to change the name of Hua Mark station of MRTA Orange line subway to something else.

5) Taksin station of Red line commuter vs Wutthakart station of BTS - likely to change from Taksin station of red line commuter to Wutthakart station
http://www.manager.co.th/iBizChannel...=9600000004275
http://news.voicetv.co.th/thailand/452127.html
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