Caminhos de Ferro Angolanos | Angola's Railroads

[BlackLion]

O ponto dele até é válido! Nunca percebi o vitriol que é lançado contra o Popa. Coisas de fóruns!

[agostinho]

Originally Posted by BlackLion

O ponto dele até é válido! Nunca percebi o vitriol que é lançado contra o Popa. Coisas de fóruns!

Eu pouco entendo do assunto, mas uma coisa é verdade, o nosso governo pode até estar a fazer algo de jeito, mas o problema deles é não gostarem de dar ouvidos a quem é perito na matéria e tlv se aplique aqui o caso. Enfim, devagar se vai ao longe.

[BlackLion]

Originally Posted by agostinho

Eu pouco entendo do assunto, mas uma coisa é verdade, o nosso governo pode até estar a fazer algo de jeito, mas o problema deles é não gostarem de dar ouvidos a quem é perito na matéria e tlv se aplique aqui o caso. Enfim, devagar se vai ao longe.

Bem dito caro Agostinho. Só não pactuo sempre com o "devagar se vai ao longe" quando podemos chegar ao tal "longe" em pouco tempo fazendo as coisas como deve ser...por exemplo, existe o conceito de "leapfrog technology" e África e mais concretamente Angola é um sítio perfeito para se fazer isso. Ou seja, se já tecnologias avançadas em existência e no nosso país há tudo por fazer, porque não implementar desde logo estas tais tecnologias avançadas e assim dar um salto enorme tecnologicamente e evitar custos futuros que certamente virão quando termos que fazer um upgrade na nossa infraestructura? Já que não temos caminhos de ferro, porque não construi-los usando a última tecnologia? Porquê começar com a tecnologia mais atrasada quando podemos fácilmente implementar a mais avançada?

[skytrax]

Originally Posted by BlackLion

Bem dito caro Agostinho. Só não pactuo sempre com o "devagar se vai ao longe" quando podemos chegar ao tal "longe" em pouco tempo fazendo as coisas como deve ser...por exemplo, existe o conceito de "leapfrog technology" e África e mais concretamente Angola é um sítio perfeito para se fazer isso. Ou seja, se já tecnologias avançadas em existência e no nosso país há tudo por fazer, porque não implementar desde logo estas tais tecnologias avançadas e assim dar um salto enorme tecnologicamente e evitar custos futuros que certamente virão quando termos que fazer um upgrade na nossa infraestructura? Já que não temos caminhos de ferro, porque não construi-los usando a última tecnologia? Porquê começar com a tecnologia mais atrasada quando podemos fácilmente implementar a mais avançada?

100% de acordo!!

[Matthias Offodile]

xxx

[Matthias Offodile]

Originally Posted by popa1980

these are limited in speed by being narrow gauge. They should have built standard gauge like the rest of Africa is doing now.

the rest of Africa? you must be suicidal to enter a train in Nigeria, for example! Same for Ghana. Dreadfully cramped, sticky, dirty, no service and awfully neglected. Punctuality is a foreign word! if a train is sheduled to leave today, it might leave in two days time - if you are lucky!

Btw, when was the last time you took a train ride in Naija or in your parent´s country Ghana? Is that what your parents told you back from the better days in 1966?

Originally Posted by alama

Well, Popa angola isn't the 'rest of africa' , fortunately.

+1

[Harrys]

Originally Posted by Matthias Offodile

Really, I haven´t seen such modern and orderly train service anywhere in Africa (outside South Africa)

Morocco also have quite modern trains, and they are even building a High-speed line now

[popa1980]

Originally Posted by Blue sun

Angola will do whats best for Angola.

yeah, thats right, its best for Angola to invest billions in an outdated rail system that will HAVE to be upgraded eventually costing even more money. yeah, thats definitely best for Angola.

[popa1980]

Originally Posted by Matthias Offodile

the rest of Africa? you must be suicidal to enter a train in Nigeria, for example! Same for Ghana. Dreadfully cramped, sticky, dirty, no service and awfully neglected. Punctuality is a foreign word! if a train is sheduled to leave today, it might leave in two days time - if you are lucky!

Btw, when was the last time you took a train ride in Naija or in your parent´s country Ghana? Is that what your parents told you back from the better days in 1966?




+1

Ghana are building a modern standard gauge network. As such it will be much quicker, and be able to carry bigger trains than Angolas system.

Its worth waiting a few more years for a proper network. Angola is going to have to spend many billions more to upgrade it in future.

[popa1980]

Originally Posted by BlackLion

O ponto dele até é válido! Nunca percebi o vitriol que é lançado contra o Popa. Coisas de fóruns!

as pessoas aqui nao querem saber a verdade e se tornam bravo qd lhes mostro a realidade.

[popa1980]

Originally Posted by BlackLion

Bem dito caro Agostinho. Só não pactuo sempre com o "devagar se vai ao longe" quando podemos chegar ao tal "longe" em pouco tempo fazendo as coisas como deve ser...por exemplo, existe o conceito de "leapfrog technology" e África e mais concretamente Angola é um sítio perfeito para se fazer isso. Ou seja, se já tecnologias avançadas em existência e no nosso país há tudo por fazer, porque não implementar desde logo estas tais tecnologias avançadas e assim dar um salto enorme tecnologicamente e evitar custos futuros que certamente virão quando termos que fazer um upgrade na nossa infraestructura? Já que não temos caminhos de ferro, porque não construi-los usando a última tecnologia? Porquê começar com a tecnologia mais atrasada quando podemos fácilmente implementar a mais avançada?

Pay attention Matt!

[skytrax]

[Blue sun]

Originally Posted by popa1980

yeah, thats right, its best for Angola to invest billions in an outdated rail system that will HAVE to be upgraded eventually costing even more money. yeah, thats definitely best for Angola.

All most all of our neighboring countries(SADC) are using narrow gauges system.

[popa1980]

Originally Posted by Blue sun

All most all of our neighboring countries(SADC) are using narrow gauges system.

yeah, thats because it was the system of choice for the colonial powers. practically everz African country rebuilding its rail network is switching to standard gauge.

[alama]

Originally Posted by popa1980

as pessoas aqui nao querem saber a verdade e se tornam bravo qd lhes mostro a realidade.

[Matthias Offodile]

oh popa, YAAAWWWNN::...Angola has built more railway lines than entire SS Africa put together since the end of colonization 50 years back and you come around and wreck our nerves with all this bullshit talk. Don´t you have something else to do like helping to clean up the debris left behind by those countless vandalzing UK gangs roaming the streets in your beloved home country?

if not enjoy looking at the Angolan pics - if you can stand it.


A BAS LES JALOUX!!!

[popa1980]

Originally Posted by Matthias Offodile

oh popa, YAAAWWWNN::...Angola has built more railway lines than entire SS Africa put together since the end of colonization 50 years back and you come around and wreck our nerves with all this bullshit talk. Don´t you have something else to do like helping to clean up the debris left behind by those countless vandalzing UK gangs roaming the streets in your beloved home country?

if not enjoy looking at the Angolan pics - if you can stand it.


A BAS LES JALOUX!!!

Thats a completely false statement.

And as you can see, you have no support here. Most people are agreeing with me.

Its like lighting up a city with kerosene lights rather than electric lights. Its better than nothing but is far from ideal and will be more expensive in the long run.

[Matthias Offodile]

Thats a completely false statement.

and you know that it is right. Truth hurts.

This is how railways look like in Nigeria, for example. A SHAME!!!

Its like lighting up a city with kerosene lights rather than electric lights. Its better than nothing but is far from ideal and will be more expensive in the long run.

The majority is not agreeing with you.

Angolan people know what they do. They don´t need YOU spitting on them as you have consistently been doing in this sub-forum for years now. Your contribution in here has been zero ...So why can´t you just vanish into this air? Is it so difficult, knowing that Angola is "shit" and the rest of Africa "heaven"...just doing everything "better" while Angola is destined for the "catastrophe"?

Now let us continue with stuff that truly counts and not your constantly mind-deafening and senseless debates!

[AAPMBerlin]

Originally Posted by Matthias Offodile

and you know that it is right. Truth hurts.

This is how railways look like in Nigeria, for example. A SHAME!!!





The majority is not agreeing with you.

Angolan people know what they do. They don´t need YOU spitting on them as you have consistently been doing in this sub-forum for years now. Your contribution in here has been zero ...So why can´t you just vanish into this air? Is it so difficult, knowing that Angola is "shit" and the rest of Africa "heaven"...just doing everything "better" while Angola is destined for the "catastrophe"?

Now let us continue with stuff that truly counts and not your constantly mind-deafening and senseless debates!

Popa has in some ways right. The construction of narrow gauge railways leads to a deadlock, since in most cases the standard gauge is state of the art . If a connection is planned with the neighbor countries, this will lead to enormous cost of conversion. And this must not be.

P-S.: the picture has nothing to do if the standard gauge is better than the narrow gauge. The picture only proves that Nigeria isn´t able to operate an railway network. And by the way: that isn´t a standard gauge on the photo. (1435mm)

[Matthias Offodile]

Originally Posted by AAPMBerlin

Popa has in some ways right. The construction of narrow gauge railways leads to a deadlock, since in most cases the standard gauge is state of the art . If a connection is planned with the neighbor countries, this will lead to enormous cost of conversion. And this must not be.

P-S.: the picture has nothing to do if the standard gauge is better than the narrow gauge. The picture only proves that Nigeria isn´t able to operate an railway network. And by the way: that isn´t a standard gauge on the photo. (1435mm)

Popa 1980 is intrusive ...almost every single thread that I open I see him bashing Angola or some other non-Anglophone country.

AAPMBerlin, wirklich der ist völlig zugemüllt....und der kann mir echt mal die Arschritze runterfahren, als ob sein beschissenes England Weisheits letzer Schluss wäre. Man sieht ja was aus dem "Modellstaat" England geworden ist...denen fliegt buchstäblich die Scheiße um die Ohren.

VIVA ANGOLA!