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Old June 20th, 2008, 01:05 AM   #21
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Google maps and the Rand McNally United States road atlas. I hate the GPS nonsense.
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Old June 20th, 2008, 01:46 AM   #22
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Google maps and the Rand McNally United States road atlas. I hate the GPS nonsense.
I thought so too, until I tried it, and I must say, I love it now So far there was not even one occurrence when it did not get me to where I wanted to go precisely and pain-free, especially when I didn't plan to go somewhere initially, but had to plan a route on the fly.
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Old June 20th, 2008, 07:24 AM   #23
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US DOT's give away free state maps. I have a bunch of them.
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Old June 20th, 2008, 07:43 AM   #24
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Google maps and the Rand McNally United States road atlas. I hate the GPS nonsense.
I agree -- GPS is cheating
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Old June 21st, 2008, 07:50 PM   #25
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The 2009 Rand McNally Road Atlas is out and it is inaccurate, especially in Texas and Alabama.
Yes we already have it in our London shop
I didn't check inside for changes yet.
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Old June 21st, 2008, 08:32 PM   #26
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I hope to recieve the new atlas monday by mail. I'm curious about the inaccuracies, usually Rand McNally is pretty good.

European atlases tend to have mistakes, wrong road numbers or background colors. However, the maps that are the most inaccurate are those published in newspapers. Almost every one has at least multiple inaccuracies.
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Old June 21st, 2008, 09:02 PM   #27
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I've always liked Hallwag, but it has gone bankrupt, I think. Their paper was good, durable. Previously (in the 1990's) I'd buy many Freytag&Berndt maps; nice colors, but too thin paper that could easily tear up. For cities I use Kunth FlexiMap. I also must say that EuroMap is one big crap. But since all these online maps, I don't buy many maps any more. Of maps you can find on the Internet, I like Map24 (but these guys are constantly screwing around with us! ), ViaMichelin and Google maps (also in Google Earth; quite accurate). For roads of the whole world (places that usually aren't covered, like Asia, Africa etc.), the best I know is Falk.

I have maps of every damn Chinese province.
Totally agree re Hallwag, got a European road atlas (1:800 000) from 2004 which works just fine even today. I really like the fact that their motorways were green, instead of yellow and red - that gets quite confusing in urban areas, especially mixed with red primary and yellow secondary roads. Still, when I drive in a "new" country, I try to get a 1:200 000 atlas - my German is a ADAC thingy, the French is (of course) a Michelin and my Czech is by Marco Polo. This is mainly because I think the driving itself is a vital part of any holiday experience, and driving on smaller roads is great fun, you actually see something whilst driving. You don't do that on the motorways...

For Norway, I use the NAF (Norwegian automobile association) 1:400 000 that every member gets every third year. The map is ok and very up to date, but it's also a tour guide with all sorts of curious information. Good stuff, but unfortunately not available to non-members. This is bad, because most international map makers have tended to be rather inaccurate in describing Norwegian roads: Too much have been marked as motorway, for instance. It has improved somewhat, so as new maps as possible are recommended for anyone heading to Norway by car. It is also worth noting that Norway is a country where maps do not necessarily tell the whole truth: Trunk roads, normally marked in red, are quite often no better than secondary white or yellow roads.
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Old June 23rd, 2008, 11:51 PM   #28
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I just ordered 'Der Neue Grosse Shell Atlas, 1989/90' from Amazon, I like old maps I plan to order couple of more of these older atlases as well. Do you like old maps I absolutely love them and I like to comapre how infrastructure changed through the years.
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Old June 24th, 2008, 10:42 PM   #29
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I tried to scan a Rand McNally map with my new scanner. Check it out.

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Old June 24th, 2008, 11:18 PM   #30
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Massive Houston:
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This maps shows some of the things of Rand McNally maps I don't like, the area north of Houston seems undeveloped on that map, however, it's completely suburban, but consists of unincorporated communities and census-designated places.
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Old June 24th, 2008, 11:35 PM   #31
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This maps shows some of the things of Rand McNally maps I don't like, the area north of Houston seems undeveloped on that map, however, it's completely suburban, but consists of unincorporated communities and census-designated places.
I agree with you about the lack of color on Rand McNally's metro maps. Take a look at Philadelphia...that's even worse because the entire area is made up of townships that ARE incorporated- but for some reason their map makers never have looked at townships the way they look at towns, cities and boroughs. Look at metro Boston to see what I mean. New England has towns and cities and so you will see more colorized municipalities there. You would think that Boston has more and, perhaps, larger (in population) suburbs than Philly- but that's not the case.
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Long Island is even worse. They only show it urbanized on the general maps, but not on the detailed ones because Nassau & Suffolk counties exists out of hundreds of townships and villages, making almost the entire island (except far east) suburban.
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I hate such ugly maps.
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Old June 25th, 2008, 03:18 AM   #34
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I always try to buy road maps from MapArt Publishing. I especially like their maps of western Canadian provinces, detailed to the grid road level.
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Old June 25th, 2008, 12:15 PM   #35
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I hate such ugly maps.
They should make much larger metropolitan area maps. Like 4 pages for Houston instead of one. Right now, they don't even show all exits.
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Old June 25th, 2008, 12:26 PM   #36
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Long Island is even worse. They only show it urbanized on the general maps, but not on the detailed ones because Nassau & Suffolk counties exists out of hundreds of townships and villages, making almost the entire island (except far east) suburban.
This might be an historical problem. RMn decides how much space to give a certain area and then they never change it.
You're right about Houston and other metro maps. It's actually more important to give a lot of detail in these areas because there's so much there. If entire exits are missing you almost wonder what the point of a roadmap is.
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Old June 25th, 2008, 12:28 PM   #37
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Old June 25th, 2008, 12:44 PM   #38
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Here's some Michelin map of Iberia. I personally think the scale is too small on these maps, the French maps are better.

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Randstad, the more detailed maps of Michelin:
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Old June 25th, 2008, 05:16 PM   #40
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Within the Netherlands, I always use the TabMap, which works quite well.
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