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Old May 4th, 2006, 06:51 PM   #81
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Don't tell me you haven't been in BANGKOK
Yeah I've been to Bangkok a couple of times (I stopped over in Dubai en-route - but don't tell Krazy... ). Why what's the relevance? Does Bangkok have some ultra desirable golf course next to the airport or something?
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... However the residential part is unconvincing - even for airport employees that do need convenient access. They should locate it as far as possible from the noise. But they haven't. They have put the residential accommodation close to the runways which must surely make it an undesirable place to live.
You're talking compleately out of your a$$.
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Old May 4th, 2006, 06:53 PM   #83
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Yeah i've been to Bangkok (I stopped over in Dubai en-route - but don't tell Krazy... ). Why what's the relevance? Does Bangkok have some ultra desirable golf course next to the airport or something?
NOT next but in BETWEEN!!!
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Yeah I've been to Bangkok a couple of times (I stopped over in Dubai en-route - but don't tell Krazy... ). Why what's the relevance? Does Bangkok have some ultra desirable golf course next to the airport or something?
Ah yes I see:
http://www.time.com/time/asia/2005/boa/boa_golf.html

At Thailand's Kantarat Golf Course, step onto the tee, take in the view on the first hole, and it soon becomes clear that this will be a round to remember. Off to the right is a sign laying down the club's idiosyncratic rules to visitors: no photo taking, no weapons. Then, wait a minute or so and watch as a Boeing 747 comes in to land, with a roar and a screech, on the runway next to the fairway. Of course, such a distraction will wreak havoc with your game. But then, when it comes to playing Kantarat—located inside the grounds of Bangkok's Don Muang international airport—it's not really about the game.

Owned by the Royal Thai Air Force, the 18-hole course is sandwiched between the airport's two parallel runways. There's nothing fancy about the greens and fairways (or the price, at just $9 a round). But the attraction of Kantarat—whose entrance is 1.5 kilometers from the international terminal—is the marvelous sensation of teeing off within a decent drive's distance of a landing 747 and not getting arrested for doing so. Or the thrill of having to walk across a busy taxiway to reach the back nine (remember: hold onto your hat—those Rolls-Royce jet engines blow quite a gale). Afterward, you can retreat to the clubhouse for a cool shower, followed by an excellent Thai meal in the air-conditioned café. Sure, Kantarat is no St. Andrews, but as far as killing transit time goes, it's a hole-in-one.
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You're talking compleately out of your a$$.
No I'm not. I live in a city which already handles nearly 135 million passengers pa through its airports. Residential property values in the vicinity of major London airports (especially Heathrow....) are seriously compromised by the presence of the airports. No-one wants to live there. When Heathrow first opened all those decades ago it wasn't much of an issue because the flights were too infrequent. Now the planes are coming and going every minute so the noise pollution is constant. We can't escape this in Heathrow. It's a legacy of planning decisions made decades ago when the aviation industry was much smaller and less intrusive than today. However In Dubai, which has so much more space to build things afresh, they seem to be replicating this bad situation even though there is no need to do so.

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What kind of airport is that ?! Where's the actual main passenger terminal ? Dubai have so much money that they could make the ultimate amazing aiport, but they've designed this horrible mistake ! I really hope they don't build this...but it'll be funny if they do
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Has Dubai's population grown that much, that make them want to build an airport that size? Or is it just too impress the world? Either way, and judging from the pic, it doesn't bring anything new to airport design.
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Dubai World Central makes urban planning history
Thursday, May 04, 2006



REPORT - ATM 2006 - DUBAI: Dubai World Central – a massive, multi-phase development centred around the world’s largest international airport – made urban planning history when the final master-plan and branding of the 140 square kilometre city, almost twice the size of Hong Kong Island, was unveiled at Arabian Travel Market 2006 – the Middle East’s premier travel and tourism exhibition.

The self-sustaining development, at Jebel Ali, some 40 kilometres south of Dubai city centre, includes Dubai World Central International Airport (JXB) – which when complete will be the world’s largest with a capacity equal to that currently of Chicago’s O’Hare and London’s Heathrow – and a cluster of specialised zones. Dubai World Central will be a new city where eventually some 750,000 people will live and work – that’s more than the present population of Frankfurt and almost that of Stockholm. The master plan, now refined, originally had a working title of Jebel Ali Airport City.

A product of the combined vision of His Highness General Sheikh Mohammed Bin Rashid Al Maktoum, Vice President and Prime Minister of the UAE and Ruler of Dubai and His Highness Sheikh Ahmed Bin Saeed Al Maktoum, President, Department of Civil Aviation, Government of Dubai and Chairman of the Emirates Group, Dubai World Central is the most strategically important infrastructure development yet launched by the go-ahead emirate. It is designed to support Dubai’s aviation, tourism, commercial and logistics requirements until 2050 and infrastructure costs alone will run to US $33 billion.

“We have to make history and approach the future with steady steps, not wait for the future to come to us,” commented His Highness Sheikh Mohammed.

At the heart of Dubai World Central is Dubai World Central International Airport (JXB) – which will be the world’s largest passenger and cargo hub with a design capacity of over 12 million tons of cargo a year and in excess of 120 million passengers annually and capable of handling all new generation aircraft, including the A380 superjumbo.

“With Dubai World Central we are taking the future into our own hands,” said HH Sheikh Ahmed. “Dubai World Central will be a global brand known for its superb facilities and infrastructure and for the boost it will give to local and regional economies and downstream to billions of consumers.”

“It is geography that makes this vision possible with huge land availability in a prime location. The long term benefits of Dubai World Central to the UAE, GCC and the wider region are phenomenal and will place this emirate firmly in ‘pole position’ for regional logistics, tourism and commerce.”

“Dubai World Central will not only cater to economic growth but will be a strong catalyst for our next wave of development as a truly global commercial, trade and logistics hub.”

Dubai World Central also creates the world’s first truly integrated multi-modal logistics platform with all transportation modes, logistics and value-added services, such as product manufacturing and assembly in a single-bonded free zone environment made up of Dubai Logistics City, Dubai World Central International Airport and Jebel Ali Port.

Other Dubai World Central components include: Residential City, which will offer a combination of freehold and leased quality homes, the marketing of which will begin immediately after Arabian Travel Market; Commercial City, which will feature hundreds of office tower blocks, a golf course resort, Enterprise Park.

The entire Dubai World Central complex will be served throughout by the latest technology solutions for security, transport and customer service. An internal light rail network will link the whole of Dubai World Central which will also be served by the Dubai Light Rail Network (Dubai Metro).

“This will be a ‘smart city’ – a beacon of future living and working environments. With our smart city approach we are demonstrating our commitment to delivering a leading-edge proposition which will further push the urban aviation development boundaries,” added Sheikh Ahmed.

Dubai World Central International Airport:

This new facility will be 10 times the size of the current Dubai International Airport and Dubai Cargo Village combined. Its passenger capacity of over 120 million passengers a year can be judged in context alongside the world’s busiest airport Atlanta which in 2004, for which the latest figures are available, handled 83.5 million passengers.

The airport will have six parallel runways all of 4.5 kilometres in length and separated by a minimum of 800 metres and a 92 metre high control tower – the highest in the Middle East – the ’flower concept’ icon design of which will create an aviation landmark for the region. The control tower will be fully equipped with the latest in avionics and navigational aids. Control tower construction will begin in October this year.

There will be two luxurious terminals - the first dedicated to the services of airlines within the Emirates Group, the second catering to other regional and international carriers. A third, highly functional terminal is earmarked for low cost charter airlines. Dedicated facilities are earmarked for executive jet operators.

The airport will also boast hotels and shopping malls, support facilities and state-of-the-art maintenance facilities which will create a regional maintenance hub capable of A, B and C checks on all aircraft, including the A380.

JXB will be linked to the existing, award-winning Dubai International Airport (DXB) via an express rail system and ultimately will be serviced by the Dubai Light Railway Network (Dubai Metro). Some 100,000 car parking spaces will be available for airport parking and car rental services.

Dubai Logistics City:

This key plank in Dubai’s unique truly integrated multi-modal logistics proposition represents Phase I of Dubai World Central. It is designed as the region’s unchallenged logistics hub with a geographic consumer footprint of some two billion people throughout the Middle East, Indian Sub-continent, African and the CIS – and all within three-to-four hours flying time from Dubai.

Spanning 25 square kilometres, Dubai Logistics City is designed to ultimately handle 12 million tonnes of air cargo annually in up to 16 air cargo terminals.

Work on the project, which is due to be operational at the end of next year, is already underway. Work is progressing on the first 4.5 kilometre, CAT III, all-weather runway which allows for automatic landing.

Dubai Logistics City will also have its own aviation area, a dedicated cluster for specialised aviation industry suppliers and offering direct apron access and a dedicated labour village accommodating up to 40,000 workers in purpose-built surroundings. The labour village, in a built-up area of 350,000 square metres, will be built and managed by Dubai Logistics City and will set a new benchmark in labour accommodation. Dubai Logistics City will also have state-of-the-art office buildings, land plots for dedicated industrial business, trading companies, distributors, logistics service providers and forwarders, shared facilities, such as warehouses and modern air-side cargo handling facilities. e-customs for all shipments will be introduced within the year.

Residential City:

To be developed in three phases and covering some 7.16 million square metres, freehold land plots in Residential City are to be offered to developers on the open market who will then build in accordance with masterplan guidelines. Up to 250,000 people are expected to live in the ‘city’ where some 20,000 people will be employed. The Dubai Metro will serve Residential City which will also have a dedicated, integrated road network.

The city will include three hotels – five-star, four-star and three-star properties – and a shopping mall.

Homes will be a mix of two-storey villas and luxury apartments in blocks ranging up to 24 storeys in height. One area of the masterplan has been earmarked for labour accommodation which will be operated by Dubai World Central to safeguard standards.

Marketing of land plots will begin immediately after Arabian Travel Market. Residential City will have a full range of civic amenities including schools. Development will begin at the end of this year.

Commercial City:

To be developed in five phases, this ‘city’ will cover some 14.53 million square metres. Designed as Dubai World Central’s business and finance hub, Commercial City will feature more than 850 towers, ranging from 6-75 storeys in height – which will be home to a variety of businesses expected to employ around 130,000 people and offer superdeluxe homes. A cluster of luxury villas are also included in the masterplan.

The taller blocks, which will be at the perimeter of the ‘city’ will have views of Nakheel’s Arabian Canal project. The ‘city’ will also boast up to 25 hotels ranging from deluxe, through to five-star, four-star and three-star. Land plots are to be sold to leading developers who will build in accordance with the approved Dubai World Central masterplan and design requirements.

Golf Resort:

To be offered on the open market to a private developer, Dubai World Central will feature two 18-hole golf courses each having a distinct feel from a traditional desert links style to a more lush tropical resort course. In addition to the courses there will be extensive practice facilities, driving ranges and putting greens as well as a luxury clubhouse with restaurants and a pro-shop.

Up to 2,500 freehold homes – ranging from two storey villas to 24-storey apartment blocks – will surround the courses – and will be around six kilometres away from the airport and back on to Nakheel’s Arabian Canal project.

The golf resort will also feature a high-end boutique hotel complete with a spa resort and around 150 rooms. Development will begin at the end of 2008 and will take two years to complete.

Enterprise Park:

This will be the region’s premier centre of excellence for technology manufacturing and science and technology education.
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Old May 5th, 2006, 12:47 AM   #90
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it´s the fastest growing city in the world
It might be the fastest growing in percentage terms because it's growing from a small base. I don't believe it's the fastest growing in total numbers though.
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The fact that is the fastest growing in the world is a misnomer. Many of those that have given its "growth" in population numbers are laborers who are involved with the construction and development of these commercial mega projects. Once they are all sent back home (many of them will be) who will replace them? There is no way (to my imagination at least) that even with bombastic natural population growth numbers among the native population that the supply being built for would far exceed the demand.

Most of these numbers and people who have given Dubai's growth are transients who don't give an accurate indication of Dubais future population and residency.
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Old May 5th, 2006, 04:25 AM   #92
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Quote: Is this a joke?
Dubai (and the UAE in general) is becoming more and more of a joke with every new ridiculous project that's planned.
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Old May 5th, 2006, 10:45 AM   #94
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I don't think Dubai is a joke. However I agree that this project has some planning problems. It looks boring and the residential properties are too close to the runways. I would also agree that the airport is probably too big for Dubai's needs. Sometimes I get the impression that Emirates/Dubai believe that all Europe-Asia traffic will somehow miraculously be sucked through their hub so long as they buy enough planes and build a large enough airport - but I think that will prove overly optimistic. Neighbouring airlines such as Etihad, Qatar, and Gulf Air are copying Emirates's model, offering even cheaper fares, and stealing some of its business. The likes of Turkish Airlines are now getting in on the Europe-Asia hubbing act - and Istanbul has a more favourable location than anywhere in the Persian Gulf. A new generation of highly competitive Indian airlines, such as Jet, are emerging and will doubtless start to hub before long. Traffic between India and Britain, much of which used to fly via Dubai, now flies direct thanks to a bilateral agreement between Britain and India allowing for a massive expansion of the number of direct flights. Finally the emergence of a new breed of low-cost long-haul airlines, such as Hong Kong's Oasis, will offer point-to-point fares between Europe and Asia that Emirates will find hard to better. And almost all of these will be chasing the Europe-Asia leisure market only. Business travellers will always want to fly direct on the major European and Asian airlines.

Having said all that I don't think Dubai, and specifically Dubai aviation, is a joke. Emirates is an excellent airline offering very cheap fares between huge markets (Europe and Asia) and via an increasingly attractive hub.
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The fact that is the fastest growing in the world is a misnomer. Many of those that have given its "growth" in population numbers are laborers who are involved with the construction and development of these commercial mega projects. Once they are all sent back home (many of them will be) who will replace them? There is no way (to my imagination at least) that even with bombastic natural population growth numbers among the native population that the supply being built for would far exceed the demand.

Most of these numbers and people who have given Dubai's growth are transients who don't give an accurate indication of Dubais future population and residency.
You construct all your "arguments" on what you think are "facts", but since you have never been to the city, let alone lived there for years as some of us have, your "facts" might not always be facts, so your 'conclusions" are often wrong.
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Monkey, according to the article the residential aerea starts 6 kms from the Airport and considering how big the airport will be, it might be some 8 kms from the runway. Considering that the runway is paralel to the residential aerea, the regular flight corridors do not run over them.

The tower cluster in Sheikh Zayed Road is at the same distance from the existing Airport, and there is no problem with the planes there.

Just check the plan once again please: 1. The runway is parallel to the residential aereas and at least 6 km distant from it. 2. The buildings nearer to the airport are cargo and logistic facilities.

I can explain you the Mall profitability problem as well, if you want.
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You construct all your "arguments" on what you think are "facts", but since you have never been to the city, let alone lived there for years as some of us have, your "facts" might not always be facts, so your 'conclusions" are often wrong.

care to tell me how going or not going to Dubai would make one an expert of informed on population projections and trends? You would learn more about that by reading about Dubai then going around and strolling its malls.

Is Dubai suddenly going to approve citazenship or or permanent residency to all these millions of foreigners that would require and fit the market supply of all the developments? Is Dubai planning to invite millions of Arabs (who may be deemed worthy enough to be considered permanent by racists standards?) into Dubai? I sincerely want to know and don't claim to know how or where they get these projections. Shed some light. Cause I sure as heck haven't heard anything about many of those that are "guest" there now being invited to stay for the long term.

Instead of quipping maybe give an answer for once?
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I don't think Dubai is a joke. However I agree that this project has some planning problems. It looks boring and the residential properties are too close to the runways. I would also agree that the airport is probably too big for Dubai's needs. Sometimes I get the impression that Emirates/Dubai believe that all Europe-Asia traffic will somehow miraculously be sucked through their hub so long as they buy enough planes and build a large enough airport - but I think that will prove overly optimistic. Neighbouring airlines such as Etihad, Qatar, and Gulf Air are copying Emirates's model, offering even cheaper fares, and stealing some of its business. The likes of Turkish Airlines are now getting in on the Europe-Asia hubbing act - and Istanbul has a more favourable location than anywhere in the Persian Gulf. A new generation of highly competitive Indian airlines, such as Jet, are emerging and will doubtless start to hub before long. Traffic between India and Britain, much of which used to fly via Dubai, now flies direct thanks to a bilateral agreement between Britain and India allowing for a massive expansion of the number of direct flights. Finally the emergence of a new breed of low-cost long-haul airlines, such as Hong Kong's Oasis, will offer point-to-point fares between Europe and Asia that Emirates will find hard to better. And almost all of these will be chasing the Europe-Asia leisure market only. Business travellers will always want to fly direct on the major European and Asian airlines.

Having said all that I don't think Dubai, and specifically Dubai aviation, is a joke. Emirates is an excellent airline offering very cheap fares between huge markets (Europe and Asia) and via an increasingly attractive hub.
It looks boring because what you see is only a masterplan
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Monkey, according to the article the residential aerea starts 6 kms from the Airport and considering how big the airport will be, it might be some 8 kms from the runway. Considering that the runway is paralel to the residential aerea, the regular flight corridors do not run over them.

The tower cluster in Sheikh Zayed Road is at the same distance from the existing Airport, and there is no problem with the planes there.

Just check the plan once again please: 1. The runway is parallel to the residential aereas and at least 6 km distant from it. 2. The buildings nearer to the airport are cargo and logistic facilities.

I can explain you the Mall profitability problem as well, if you want.
If those runways are 4.5km long then there is no way the residential properties are 8km, or even 6km, away from them:

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How Dubai World Central fits into the masterplan of new Dubai

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