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Old May 5th, 2006, 09:43 PM   #101
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care to tell me how going or not going to Dubai would make one an expert of informed on population projections and trends? You would learn more about that by reading about Dubai then going around and strolling its malls.

Is Dubai suddenly going to approve citazenship or or permanent residency to all these millions of foreigners that would require and fit the market supply of all the developments? Is Dubai planning to invite millions of Arabs (who may be deemed worthy enough to be considered permanent by racists standards?) into Dubai? I sincerely want to know and don't claim to know how or where they get these projections. Shed some light. Cause I sure as heck haven't heard anything about many of those that are "guest" there now being invited to stay for the long term.

Instead of quipping maybe give an answer for once?
you can stay in dubai as long as you like so long as you are working. if you want to retire in dubai, you have to buy some property and get a 99-year residence visa that comes with property ownership.
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Old May 5th, 2006, 09:47 PM   #102
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The fact that is the fastest growing in the world is a misnomer. Many of those that have given its "growth" in population numbers are laborers who are involved with the construction and development of these commercial mega projects. Once they are all sent back home (many of them will be) who will replace them? There is no way (to my imagination at least) that even with bombastic natural population growth numbers among the native population that the supply being built for would far exceed the demand.

Most of these numbers and people who have given Dubai's growth are transients who don't give an accurate indication of Dubais future population and residency.
complete and utter bullshit as usual nomarandlee,
of course, you are too afraid to have your misperceptions SHATTERED by visiting the city

same reason why the US bans its citizens from travelling to Cuba. it doesnt want its population to see the reality and make up their minds for themselves.
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Old May 5th, 2006, 10:00 PM   #103
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care to tell me how going or not going to Dubai would make one an expert of informed on population projections and trends? You would learn more about that by reading about Dubai then going around and strolling its malls.

Is Dubai suddenly going to approve citazenship or or permanent residency to all these millions of foreigners that would require and fit the market supply of all the developments? Is Dubai planning to invite millions of Arabs (who may be deemed worthy enough to be considered permanent by racists standards?) into Dubai? I sincerely want to know and don't claim to know how or where they get these projections. Shed some light. Cause I sure as heck haven't heard anything about many of those that are "guest" there now being invited to stay for the long term.

Instead of quipping maybe give an answer for once?
You continue with the philosophy "What's good for America is good for the World..." but guess what? Dubai is not America and things are done differently here.

You still goes after the, so much is loved by your media hype, that all foreigners in Dubai are just poor servants of the local Emaratis. If that was true, Dubai's population now would not be more then 400 - 500,000.

I'm living in this country for 6 1/2 years and I don't work for the Emiratis. We (company I work for) came here becouse we found moving to Dubai more attractive for our operation then moving somewhere else, say Hong Kong. My visa, like everyone else's is 3 year renewable. Does that matter for me? NO.

I care about what this country has to offer to me and the business I'm in, I don't give a rat's ass about the numbers written on the visa in my passport.
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Old May 5th, 2006, 10:14 PM   #104
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120mppa might be reasonable by 2030, by then London is expected to have two airports at 120mppa and another at 110mppa. What about the current airport though? Surely also a west-east alignment would also have been better, what with the developments to the north?

I think the main problem with Dubai is that although its diversified away from oil, its an economy in a politically unstable region. Factor in that the developed world is increasingly becoming ethically and environmentally aware and something like Dubai becomes less attractive. Unsustainability is a major concern - its the same with Las Vegas, its okay to be sitting on oil and the like, but that doesn't cut out the problem that most of this society will be highly wasteful - possibly the least efficient on the planet. Anorther factor of cause is the commercial viability of the city - these projects might be great when the tourists are arriving, but what happens if there is a terrorist attack and the tourists stop coming? In other cities, these projects would rarely come to light simply because they aren't commercial and its immensely risky going down this route - the last thing Dubai wants is to be left with quarter after quarter of unfinished buildings that could ruin Dubais' and the UAE's image for the entire century. The last factor is that it could put people off by pissing people off - you only have to see the reaction for instance of that project to copy all the WTB's to see that there are limits.
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Old May 5th, 2006, 11:50 PM   #105
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same reason why the US bans its citizens from travelling to Cuba. it doesnt want its population to see the reality and make up their minds for themselves.
??? What marvelous reality is the US supposed to be shielding its citizens from? Cuba is a 100% ****ed up economy. Go there and see for yourself.
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Old May 6th, 2006, 12:59 AM   #106
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of course, you are too afraid to have your misperceptions SHATTERED by visiting the city
How is my perception of Dubai mostly being foreign (something readily acknowledge by its lovefest membership club such as yourself) have to do with "misconceptions" of the city that will be changed by visiting the city?

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The reason why the US bans its citizens from travelling to Cuba. it doesnt want its population to see the reality and make up their minds for themselves.
Off topic and stupid. The U.S. doesn't want to make up the mind for themselves? That has nothing to do with it. The U.S. can go to Vietnam, China, Laos, to see the great "socialist" experiment. The embargo with Cuba is about political exiles from there who WANT it to be there. The reason why the U.S. doesn't let is people also go there is because they don't want the money going to and sustaining Fidel!!!! It has nothing to do about "keeping Americans away from the socialist paradise that is Cuba" LOL. In fact if the U.S. let Americans go there they might actually it might only swell the anti-Castro ranks in the U.S. when they see the miserable conditions that Castro has placed on his people.
If you think Cuba has the right idea maybe apply for a visa to go work there? Did you try to apply for a work/study visa before you came to the USA? Yet, you find yourself in Minneapolis rather then Havana yet you claim to know what is best for the Cuban people (dictatorship and forced socialism).
So you want to praise the Cuban way even though you chose the American way to come make your living. Yet, you don't think the Cuban people should be afforded the same chance as you under a free enterprise system. Hypocritical me thinks.


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You continue with the philosophy "What's good for America is good for the World..." but guess what? Dubai is not America and things are done differently here.
Where in the heck did I say that? I have never said anything other then don't employ racist employment policies and put workers in despicable concentration camps. That is not an "American" thing. That is a Dubai vs. the civilized world "thing".


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You still goes after the, so much is loved by your media hype, that all foreigners in Dubai are just poor servants of the local Emirates. If that was true, Dubai's population now would not be more then 400 - 500,000. ......................

"UAE, hosts 300,000 South Asians working on temporary contracts in the construction field alone."
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...AF2AB865EB.htm
"Dubai, one of seven emirates making up the country, hosts some 300,000 South Asians working in the construction field alone,"
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11961753/from/RSS/
"In the flashy emirate of Dubai, foreigners make up more than 80 percent of the city's 1.5 million residents. Laborers imported on strict contracts tend to live in squalid desert camps and toil in extreme heat, while wealthy expatriates enjoy some of the world's most luxurious accommodations"
http://www.chinapost.com.tw/asiapaci...GRP=C&id=75372
Last year alone, Mr. bin Dimas said, the government granted 250,000 visas to laborers. The United Arab Emirates has earned the dubious distinction of having some of the worst labor conditions.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/25/in...t8h/vLTGzvfyjg
The protesting workers are among almost a million migrants from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, China and elsewhere who have poured into Dubai to provide the low-wage muscle behind one of the world's great building booms.
http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayA...ion=theuae&col


..............Now unless Kkalle Times, China Post, and Al Jazeera are all owned by the U.S. government or something I think your comment shows to be more lame attempts and futile attacks.
Maybe you ALSO think a "real media" is scenes of work camps in Syriana so your idea of a good and fair media is pretty absurd anyway? Maybe that is the "propaganda that you find more befitting for people.
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Old May 6th, 2006, 01:11 AM   #107
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TROLL go away. Not every Dubai thread had to become your show off arena of your so called superiority.

The link you posted just proves what I said so go back in your hell hole and leave Dubai threads to people who wants to discuss on-topic.
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Old May 6th, 2006, 01:21 AM   #108
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my my my nomarandlee,

if the Cuba situation really was about Florida politics, why on earth did they send Elian Gonzalez back to Cuba? the truth is that the American government is afraid to see Cuba succeed, especially amid the rising tide of socialist movements in Latin America. Of course, they dont want you to be able to see the country for yourself and make up your own mind.


As for your news sources...
again, you completely lack understanding of the city, country and region to analyze those reports. for you, you cannot differentiate between construction workers who are building the country, and the hundreds of thousands of low wage workers such as Fast Food employees, gas station attendants, cooks, gardeners, office clerks, grocery store attendants, truck drivers, security guards, housemaids etc

THAT is your problem and its your own idiocy at fault.
again, I said you could easily travel there, see the situation for yourself (that the country isnt 250,000 sheikhs being served by 1.5 million constructions workers as you so like to believe) and have your increasingly stupid misperceptions SHATTERED by the reality.

id love to see the day you go to Dubai (if ever you do), boy id LOVE to see the look on your face when you realize how STUPID and wrong you are. haha i can imagine you saying "but but but... those reports! those reports said there were 1 million laborers here! how could those reports be so wrong?"

let me suggest something for you.
go to http://www.dictionary.com,
look up the words "foreigner" and "labourer"
educate yourself by realizing these terms are not interchangeable. you will be doing yourself a huge favor.

right now, you are like a broken record trying to tell me what life is like on Planet Zulon, when you've never even been there and trust some badly written reports by ignorant people whove been sent there for a day or two to get a story.

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Old May 6th, 2006, 01:30 AM   #109
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Are you filled with an urgent desire to buy a residential property right next to a massive airport?

the Residential part is 6km away from the runways, which is in fact average for any major airport.

u will find residential parts or rural towns even closer to some city's airports.
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Old May 6th, 2006, 01:49 AM   #110
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When I looked at the renders there was only one thing that came up in my mind: what a totally fake and booring city!

oh really? maybe because those are RENDERS?

or maybe because u have never been to Dubai?

because u spent only 5minutes on Dubai, looking at some drawings and judged immediately, without really knowing anything?


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That some amateur outsider like you, with zero data or professional knowledge, really knows much better???

he has got one advantage u cannot really come up with, he has been living in the UAE, he has been to Dubai for a long time, he knows what is actually going on, not just figures and so called facts.

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Oh no... it's fantastic planning! Golf courses next to the six airport runways is the best idea ever! People will come from all over the world just for the thrill of a round of golf next to the runway.

it perfectly seperates the airport from the residential part and adds greenery. tourists will play on one of the 20 other golf course, designed by some of the best golf players in the world.





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And I don't see the point in arguing with someone who knows absolutely nothing about Dubai's mall finances, and who casually dismisses the experienced opinion of a professional retail consultant, hired specifically to number-crunch the finances of Dubai's malls, in favour of his own amateur and completely uninformed opinion!!

what is your point in the malls, this is completely off topic.

and be convinced there are more than enough residential projects 10s of kilometres away from the airport..

and there will be tons of hotels, that is for sure.

and the plan is not really what u call a masterplan where u can judge from, especially not in Dubai , where things change day by day.

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What kind of airport is that ?! Where's the actual main passenger terminal ? Dubai have so much money that they could make the ultimate amazing aiport, but they've designed this horrible mistake ! I really hope they don't build this...but it'll be funny if they do
it is just a render, a drawing you moron.



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However I agree that this project has some planning problems. It looks boring and the residential properties are too close to the runways.
boring it is a render, look at some other drawings in the UAE section thread, they are everything but boring.

and 6km, again , is not too close.
and they are at least 6km, the render is just a bit deceiving, 6km are clearly stated in several articles.


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It might be the fastest growing in percentage terms because it's growing from a small base. I don't believe it's the fastest growing in total numbers though.

i would not call 1.2 such a small base.

i doubt there are many cities which can beat 200,000 more people a year, let alone economic growth.



oh and btw. normandlee go home.
why is he still here, he was banned two times already if i am not wrong. you are not allowed to create multiple accounts...
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Old May 6th, 2006, 01:57 AM   #111
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luv2bebrown]my my my nomarandlee,
if the Cuba situation really was about Florida politics, why on earth did they send Elian Gonzalez back to Cuba?

Because a judge decided that the father had legal custody. And the U.S. the U.S. is generally a rule of law place. Though turned into a political debate the decision itself was not political.

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the truth is that the American government is afraid to see Cuba succeed, especially amid the rising tide of socialist movements in Latin America. Of course, they dont want you to be able to see the country for yourself and make up your own mind.
Eath anyone? Earth anyone? The U.S. embargo has been in place for 40 years.
Many American do go to Cuba even with the embargo in place anyway and very few get prosacuted for it.
If what you said were true then why are Americans allowed to go the China? Vietnam? The old eastern block? What you say makes no sense as usual.
Againk it is largely becaue the anti-Castro Cubans don't want to line Fidels pockets (where most of the money ends up going) and strengthen his reign on the country.

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As for your news sources...
again, you completely lack understanding of the city, country and region to analyze those reports. for you, you cannot differentiate between construction workers who are building the country, and the hundreds of thousands of low wage workers such as Fast Food employees, gas station attendants, cooks, gardeners, office clerks etc
Ok, so then there are not hundreads of thousands of construction workers living in concentration camps outside of the city. I beleive luv2bebrown over any other source Thanks buddy.



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again, I said you could easily travel there, see the situation for yourself (that the country isnt 250,000 sheikhs being served by 1.5 million constructions workers as you so like to believe) and have your increasingly stupid misperceptions by the reality.
And I said I will not go. Do you criticise Arabs who refuse to Israel and yet claim to know the situation on the ground there? No. Did you have to go to South African to know Apartheid? No.
Could one fault another for not wanting to visiting those country based on human rights concerns at the time? Nope.
And I feel the same way about the racist employment practices by the UAE and its concentration camps.
If I want to go visit the Middle East I will go to Egypt, Moroco, Lebanon, Tunisisa, even Yemen before I would go spend money that condones the tourist infrastructure built on the backs of the maybe the worst labor explotation in the world (certainly in the developed world).


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id love to see the day you go to Dubai (if ever you do), boy id LOVE to see the look on your face when you realize how STUPID and wrong you are. haha i can imagine you saying "but but but... those reports! those reports said there were 1 million laborers here! how could those reports be so wrong?"
Of course I will not see them. I am sure that most wouldn't be able to give me directions and authorities wouldn't let me inside the sprawling labor camps one to two hours outside of the city.


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right now, you are like a broken record trying to tell me what life is like on Planet Zulon, when you've never even been there and trust some badly written reports by ignorant people whove been sent there for a day or two to get a story.
I see, it is all an evil conspiracy (even among Al Jazeera and Khalee times just to make Dubai "look bad" and pick on it) Pathetic analysis. I also have read enough from intellectually honest forumers who have been there and many media reports to know that Dubai is not the rosey image you like to project.

And yes, I have read the BBC proile on the UAE. So......


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Not every Dubai thread had to become your show off arena of your so called superiority
Every Dubai thread? LOL.....

As far as my superiority? The only ones I can see who are holding any kind of superiority comples are those who downplay employee abuses in the UAE and try to shout down those who have issue with it.

If the U.S., UK, and France were importing tens of millions of Indians or Arabs in their cities and putting them in the type of conditions you don't think they would hear (from their own people and those in yours) about it? (and rightfully so)
France treats its Arab population 10 times better then the UAE treats many of its forigners and yet France (especially by Arabs and Muslims) is often talked about how "intolerant" and "racist" it is. The hypocrasy is astounding.
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Old May 6th, 2006, 02:07 AM   #112
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dubaiflo]
oh and btw. normandlee go home.
why is he still here, he was banned two times already if i am not wrong. you are not allowed to create multiple accounts... [/QUOTE]


I wasn't banned two times. This is the same account I have used for a very long time.

If you want to ban people maybe you should start with smussuw ("women who don't wear veils are whores", guy"). Or maybe safqa_tijariya

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...9&page=2&pp=20
safqa_tijariya -" in the quran the jews are cursed because they killed al of the prophets god sent to them" or "If we read mein kamf and see what hitler had to say about jews this quote of AntonAmeneiro I'm not sure if those quotations are true or just too biased
Then Anton is another dirty jew hiding in the skin of a european."


or NazUK maybe?

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...65#post8054565
Please speak English. Did you by any chance get gang-raped by Puerto Ricans in prison or something and adopt their half-wit English?

And Dubai, the biggest stool on this forum is quite clearly your good self, you naive little piece of dog shit: For thinking that America want democracy in the region for the sake of "freedom and peace for all mankind". You're a disgrace and a hypocrite. If you think America is all democracy and freedom, then what the f**k are you doing in Dubai, you little shit? Huh? Get out of our land of "opression and dictatorship" you little red neck and get urself off to America.

Now lets hear your come back now you little ****.
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Nomarandlee, you have the opportunity to go and see the situation for yourself and have your misperceptions SHATTERED by the reality on the ground.. but you prefer to live in a sheltered, closed world isolated from global perceptions, selectively choosing badly written reports by reporters even less knowledgeable about you on the situation.
you make a conscious choice to live in IGNORANCE.
i guess IGNORANCE, really is bliss for you. you shelter yourself from the reality by hiding behind media deception and misinformation, when like i said, you have the option to go see the situation for yourself. too bad your ARROGANCE, outweighs your IGNORANCE.




let us wait til the census results are released.

lets see who is correct, your belief as someone who has never been to the city, that 250,000 sheikhs served by 1,500,000 construction workers is the reality based on an NY Times report saying 1,000,000 labourers are in the city

OR

my belief, as someone who lived inthe city for 15 years, that such reports use the term foreigners and labourers Interchangeably, and that there are no more than 300,000 construction workers in Dubai amid 1.4 million other people comprised of a mix of over 180 nationalities who freely live in and love the city. AND, that each year, 150,000 more people (the vast majority of whom are middle class) are moving into the city.

unlike you, im not AFRAID to look at both sides of a story, because I have no fear of being proven wrong. you on the other hand... are clearly AFRAID to be proved wrong on your opinion of Dubai.

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IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!! Why you have to ruin any thread?
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but you prefer to live in a sheltered, closed world isolated from global perceptions, selectively choosing badly written reports by reporters even less knowledgeable about you on the situation.
Ok, next time some says anything the slightest critical of the U.S. who hasn't lived there for more then a month you go tell them they don't know what the heck they are talking about ok? (mind you I am not holding them to that standard but YOU are, at least if you care to remain consistant)

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too bad your ARROGANCE, outweighs your IGNORANCE.
Well, arrrogance is all in the the eyes of the beholder. I think of arrogance as someone who minimalises and downplays employee abuses and clear subjugation of human rights and praises a government even when they cut out important scenes of a movie to save themselves embarressment.


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let us wait til the census results are released.

lets see who is correct, your belief as someone who has never been to the city, that 250,000 sheikhs served by 1,500,000 construction workers is the reality based on an NY Times report saying 1,000,000 labourers are in the city
again, you are not only calling western press liars but also the UAE and Middle East press liars as well. I guess the only people who claim one can trust are the UAE government and yourself? LOL

As far as the census goes I don't really care what it says. The UAE has no transparecy. They have shown (with the likes of Syriana) that they want to mold their own image and anything embarressing or not to their liking they will put a lid on or change if it suites them.

They might be accurate statistics and they may not. I sure as heck wouldn't take numbers they put out as gospel if they don't like what suites them.

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my belief, as someone who lived inthe city for 15 years, that such reports use the term foreigners and labourers Interchangeably, and that there are no more than 300,000 construction workers in Dubai amid 1.4 million other people comprised of a mix of over 180 nationalities who freely live in and love the city.
Most of the reports I have seen have posted around those numbers you just said. Why you calling everyone else a liar (other then hypersensativity) when you are quoting the same numbers others are?

If it is 200k-400k of construction workers (who still would be 1/4 to 1/5 of the population) then how is that somehow false? Also, the fact that the conditions of those 200-400k are deplorable to say the least how would that also be false?



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unlike you, im not AFRAID to look at both sides of a story, because I have no fear of being proven wrong. you on the other hand... are clearly AFRAID to be proved wrong on your opinion of Dubai.
yes, your hypersensitivity of anything but praise of Dubai shows how unbiased you are. To you all the economic projections are right, all developments are viable and rational, all is reasonably transparent in government and commerce and the links between them, reasonably media censorship and goverment dictatorship, and racist government and employee practices by the government and companies is overtyped and largely BS in your eyes.

We all know that if the U.S., France, or Germany brought over millions of Arabs or Muslims and treat them like Dubai does that all those who cried foul and talked about deplorable lack of human rights you would claim all critics to wrong as well I am sure.

Yes, we all know your unbiased positions on all things Dubai luv2bebrown.
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I see the Dubai posse are out in force with their enormous insecurity and collective chip on their shoulder. Man you guys are hyper-sensititve! Are you seriously arguing that the US is afraid of Cuba!! Why the **** would the world superpower be afraid of of a tiny failed state like Cuba? Go to Cuba yourselves. It's ******* poor. It's ******* depressing. The people there are desperate. The best that could happen to them is the death of Fidel Castro. He has held that place back for decades. But it doesn't stop there.... the Dubai forumers also argue that because they live there that they have a monopoly on all comment and interpretation about the place. For instance they presume to have a more intimate knowledge of mall finances than a professional retail consultant who is hired to analyse and advise them!! They argue that the residential properties on this poorly planned masterplan are more than 6km from the runways when it's bloody obvious from looking at the plans that they're much closer than that. Just swing one of those 4.5km runways on its axis and you can hit most of the residential areas. Apparently you have to live in Dubai for years to "understand" Dubai's well documented exploitation of South Asian labour!! Why deny the obvious? You're a bunch of clowns. You have no credibility. I have no time for you....
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Apparently you have to live in Dubai for years to "understand" Dubai's well documented exploitation of South Asian labour!! Why deny the obvious? You're a bunch of clowns. You have no credibility. I have no time for you....
Monkey, nomarandlee is saying the majority of people moving to Dubai are construction workers. and he is pointing to badly written articles in the NY Times claiming that there are 1,000,000 workers in Dubai doing the construction. the population of Dubai is somewhere around 1.7 million... and nomarandlee is telling me that there 1,000,000 construction workers out of that amount. this is not a question of exploitation, this is a question of misinformation. news reporters who have no experience in the city do a story on the city and misinform the public by using the terms "foreigner" and "labourer" interchangeably. therefore, you find idiots like nomarandlee trolling on the forums stating that there are 1,000,000 construction workers in Dubai and that the majority of people moving to the city are construction workers. with 10% growth/150,000+ people moving to the city each year, the city's population will be 3,000,000 in less than 10 years. and here we have trolls like Nomarandlee implying that the 3,000,000 population will consist of 2.6+ million transient construction workers.

for the past 2 years, we have been battling the whole "Dubai will collapse when the oil runs out" argument. Now we have to battle the "Dubai is just a bunch of sheikhs being served by 1,000,000 poor indian construction worker" arugment.

how do you not expect Dubai forumers to become hypersenstive in the face of such relentless city-bashing? so, please dont act like an expert Monkey...thinking Mall Finances and render interpretations give you an edge over people who have been living in the city is ridiculous. do you claim to know more about medicine than a lifelong surgeon because you have been hired to mop hospital floors?

just out of curiousity, what malls do you work with?

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Old May 6th, 2006, 03:29 AM   #118
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Nomarandlee,

i CHALLENGE you to come to Dubai and see the situation for yourself. if you are right, you can come back on this forum and gloat alllllllll you want. you can even quote me on that. I CHALLENGE you to be open minded and make up your mind for yourself instead having people tell you what to think.

or are you too afraid of having your misperceptions SHATTERED?

if you are worried that the Dubai government will go out of its way to hide its construction workers from you, remember that these construction workers work in sites all around the city. you are free to visit all these sites for yourself. In fact, ifyou even go to the burj dubai construction thread, you can see pictures taken by Dubai Forumers on casual drives home of those very workers who rioted.

Its all there, all you have to do is step out of your insular Chicago McSuburb and go educate yourself.
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Old May 6th, 2006, 03:29 AM   #119
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normandleee..

you seem to have a lot of time to break down people's arguments and counter with your own opinions. Though not necessarily a bad thing, for the sake of keeping these forums about buildings and not name-calling, lets try not piss people off?
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Old May 6th, 2006, 03:32 AM   #120
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I see the Dubai posse are out in force with their enormous insecurity and collective chip on their shoulder. Man you guys are hyper-sensititve! Are you seriously arguing that the US is afraid of Cuba!! Why the **** would the world superpower be afraid of of a tiny failed state like Cuba? Go to Cuba yourselves. It's ******* poor. It's ******* depressing. The people there are desperate. The best that could happen to them is the death of Fidel Castro. He has held that place back for decades. But it doesn't stop there.... the Dubai forumers also argue that because they live there that they have a monopoly on all comment and interpretation about the place. For instance they presume to have a more intimate knowledge of mall finances than a professional retail consultant who is hired to analyse and advise them!! They argue that the residential properties on this poorly planned masterplan are more than 6km from the runways when it's bloody obvious from looking at the plans that they're much closer than that. Just swing one of those 4.5km runways on its axis and you can hit most of the residential areas. Apparently you have to live in Dubai for years to "understand" Dubai's well documented exploitation of South Asian labour!! Why deny the obvious? You're a bunch of clowns. You have no credibility. I have no time for you....
No one will allow you inside Burj Al Arab without a prior reservation, so get over it.
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