St John's Shopping Centre - Page 13

Chris B · August 3rd, 2011, 04:52 PM

Land Sec are currently seeking planning permission to apply vinyl graphics to the windows lining Parker Street opposite Boots in Clayton Square.

Here's a render from the Planning Explorer -

Copyright to the copyright holder. Shown here for information purposes only.

gottago · August 3rd, 2011, 05:38 PM

Yay! Make it even uglier!

I hope they'll be the same as the hysterical "get the Liverpool look" ones they've got plastered all over the empty units inside. At least that'll give passers by something to laugh at as they go past.

golden66 · August 3rd, 2011, 05:41 PM

It has nothing to do with snobbery. It is to do with what is best for our city interms of utilising this huge important space, ie. linkages, focality and regeneration.

As I say there is a place for SJP but its not in Liverpool's heart beat. A smaller SJP linked into TJ's with functional connective bus routes would bring new life to upper London Road.

It doesn't matter what improvements are made to SJP by Land Securities(big or small) it is in the wrong place at the wrong time. It's just a sad legacy of a time when Liverpool was inward looking and directionless.

aj1977 · August 3rd, 2011, 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by golden66

As I say there is a place for SJP but its not in Liverpool's heart beat. A smaller SJP linked into TJ's with functional connective bus routes would bring new life to upper London Road.

So Land Securities would voluntarily move St Johns to a smaller site in a worse location? That's not how business works I'm afraid.

golden66 · August 3rd, 2011, 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aj1977

So Land Securities would voluntarily move St Johns to a smaller site in a worse location? That's not how business works I'm afraid.

Are you stupid?
I know they won't. That was not my point. It was about what should happen not what will happen.

aj1977 · August 3rd, 2011, 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by golden66

Are you stupid?
I know they won't. That was not my point.

What was your point exactly? A utopian vision of what Liverpool could be in some parallel universe?

golden66 · August 3rd, 2011, 07:40 PM

Thanks for answering my enquiry by confirming that you are stupid.

Medici · August 3rd, 2011, 08:18 PM

Markets can be very cultural and convey a vibrant ambience. There's no reason why St John's market cannot be transformed into that. The market also has a place in the central retail zone, so as to give the brand a variety of offerings which it does, removing that would take a significant amount of footfall out of town. By the way the removal of the staircase in Queen Square, is a start, but that photo above is fucking hideous.

golden66 · August 3rd, 2011, 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Medici

Markets can be very cultural and convey a vibrant ambience. There's no reason why St John's market cannot be transformed into that. The market also has a place in the central retail zone, so as to give the brand a variety of offerings which it does, removing that would take a significant amount of footfall out of town. By the way the removal of the staircase in Queen Square, is a start, but that photo above is fucking hideous.

It seems you are confusing St. John's Market with SJP.

I said that a new traditional British and continental market should be relocated at ABC and Blacklers, this could be food and non food. The current market mainly sells trash and is depressing. If it wasn't for the remainig few traditional vendors it would offer no attraction at all. When continental market stalls appear in town it shows what a disappointing offer our market provides. It is these continental stalls that bring colour, vibrancy, atmosphere and increased footfall not St. John's Market.

You must be joking about saying it is possible to transform SJP into a place of vibrant ambiance. It sells mostly low market vulgar tack and that's Land Securities vision for the place.

Upper London Road desperatly needs to develop its low income retail offer and a smaller SJP would be ideal and complement TJ's. The clientele of TJ's and SJP are from the same catchment. The area is ideally situated for low income earners, such as, key workers,students,immigrants and north Liverpools relatively poorer population.

It seems that many of these shoppers are being forced into the core retail district because of SJP.This is probably why TJ's has just narrowly survived because it suffers from its distance to SJP. The rest of the core shopping district does not really serve the purchasing needs of low income shoppers so shopper spend would not be particularly affected in the non SJP core shopping district.

Also a European style square would generate a greater spend in the core shopping district.

I think the SJP stairway is only being removed because it is structurally unsound probably like other parts of the monstrosity. Fingers crossed! The whole thing is hideous not just the photo trash.

Medici · August 3rd, 2011, 10:19 PM

i don't really disagree that its a shit hole, I hate it. The actual feasibility of your plans though do not strike me as likely.

golden66 · August 3rd, 2011, 11:28 PM

That's right it won't happen but I wish to God it would.

aj1977 · August 4th, 2011, 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by golden66

Upper London Road desperatly needs to develop its low income retail offer and a smaller SJP would be ideal and complement TJ's. The clientele of TJ's and SJP are from the same catchment. The area is ideally situated for low income earners, such as, key workers,students,immigrants and north Liverpools relatively poorer population.

It seems that many of these shoppers are being forced into the core retail district because of SJP.This is probably why TJ's has just narrowly survived because it suffers from its distance to SJP. The rest of the core shopping district does not really serve the purchasing needs of low income shoppers so shopper spend would not be particularly affected in the non SJP core shopping district.

OK, I understand now. Your vision basically boils down to "stick all the scum in a ghetto in London Road so I can enjoy my continental markets, European squares and the Phil paying in Lime Street". Do you not realise how unbelievably elitist your comments sound? A city centre is for everyone. Just because you can't see any attraction in St John's, it doesn't mean that it's worthless. The fact is that it's thriving. Why should "low income earners, such as, key workers,students,immigrants and north Liverpools relatively poorer population" be forced out?

golden66 · August 4th, 2011, 11:13 AM

aj1997. The more you comment the stupider you sound. It sounds like you now have a problem with rejuvenating London Road.

The point of moving a smaller SJP to London Road is to complement the TJ's offer and vice versa. If the TJ store had closed (which it nearly did)the area would have died and local businesses would have suffered and the area as a whole would have deteriorated. SJP and TJ's attract the same shopper(at the moment if you go to one you are denied access to the other) and would benefit from being located next to each other and that would benefit local businesses. It seems you are happy to see London Road deteriorate by forcing its type of clientele to shop at the current SJP. Also locating similar shopping offers in the same area is far more convenient and cheaper for that type of shopper. I suppose you are not bothered about that neither.

The current SJP is a shopping ghetto because it doesn't complement or support the surrounding shopping offer,not to mention all its other negatives. It is self contained it doesn't integrate.

It's true that a city centre is for everyone and just because you shop on London Road doesn't exclude you from the wider city centre offer , eg, museums,galleries,libraries, concerts or grand European squares etc. The points being made are specifically about reorganising our shopping offer and not about access to the facilities of the wider city centre.

tomo90 · August 4th, 2011, 11:32 AM

I dont think TJ Hughes is a big pull to London Road anymore.

golden66 · August 4th, 2011, 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomo90

I dont think TJ Hughes is a big pull to London Road anymore.

I think you should ask small to medium businesses around London Road would they have minded if TJ's had closed. I think they are extremely pleased it survived.

worldzofpaul · August 9th, 2011, 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aj1977

There's a lot of snobbery about St Johns on this forum. The fact is that there is a market for it, making it commercially viable. It's privately-owned so who can decide to demolish it and replace it with a 'European square'? It could definitely be improved in terms of layout and appearance but it's not going anywhere I'm afraid.

It's not snobbery to be repulsed by ugliness.

Chris B · January 9th, 2012, 08:24 PM

From the Planning Explorer. The latest attempt at putting a plaster onto the broken bone that is St. John's -

Application Number - 11A/2958
Site Address - 125 St Georges Way Liverpool L1 1LY
Proposal - To display 3 fascia signs and one projecting hanging sign
Applicant - Land Securities Ltd

Link - http://northgate.liverpool.gov.uk/Pl...DAURI=PLANNING

Copyright to the holder. Shown here for informational purposes only.

And for the canopy near Argos -

Copyright to the holder. Shown here for informational purposes only.

gottago · January 9th, 2012, 08:51 PM

Polishing a turd with the most vile polish known to man.

That second image actually looks like it was produced in Word. Nice to know they care.

tomo90 · January 9th, 2012, 09:27 PM

Boycott the shithole and maybe they will start listening.

aek-94 · January 10th, 2012, 01:27 AM

Plastering posters across the side of it makes it look worse. To be honest, the whole thing just needs demolishing, it looks awful both inside and out.

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Medici Beppo Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3,979 Likes (Received): 2	i don't really disagree that its a shit hole, I hate it. The actual feasibility of your plans though do not strike me as likely. Last edited by Medici; August 3rd, 2011 at 10:26 PM.

January 9th, 2012, 08:24 PM	#257
Chris B Liverpool - Est. 1207 Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Liverpool - Unique Redefined Posts: 7,487 Likes (Received): 107	From the Planning Explorer. The latest attempt at putting a plaster onto the broken bone that is St. John's - Application Number - 11A/2958 Site Address - 125 St Georges Way Liverpool L1 1LY Proposal - To display 3 fascia signs and one projecting hanging sign Applicant - Land Securities Ltd Link - http://northgate.liverpool.gov.uk/Pl...DAURI=PLANNING Copyright to the holder. Shown here for informational purposes only. And for the canopy near Argos - Copyright to the holder. Shown here for informational purposes only. __________________ Liverpool - Unique Redefined

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August 3rd, 2011, 05:38 PM	#242
gottago Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Wirral/London Posts: 631 Likes (Received): 1	Yay! Make it even uglier! I hope they'll be the same as the hysterical "get the Liverpool look" ones they've got plastered all over the empty units inside. At least that'll give passers by something to laugh at as they go past.

August 3rd, 2011, 05:41 PM	#243
golden66 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 350 Likes (Received): 0	It has nothing to do with snobbery. It is to do with what is best for our city interms of utilising this huge important space, ie. linkages, focality and regeneration. As I say there is a place for SJP but its not in Liverpool's heart beat. A smaller SJP linked into TJ's with functional connective bus routes would bring new life to upper London Road. It doesn't matter what improvements are made to SJP by Land Securities(big or small) it is in the wrong place at the wrong time. It's just a sad legacy of a time when Liverpool was inward looking and directionless.

August 3rd, 2011, 07:40 PM	#247
golden66 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 350 Likes (Received): 0	Thanks for answering my enquiry by confirming that you are stupid.

August 3rd, 2011, 08:18 PM	#248
Medici Beppo Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3,979 Likes (Received): 2	Markets can be very cultural and convey a vibrant ambience. There's no reason why St John's market cannot be transformed into that. The market also has a place in the central retail zone, so as to give the brand a variety of offerings which it does, removing that would take a significant amount of footfall out of town. By the way the removal of the staircase in Queen Square, is a start, but that photo above is fucking hideous.

August 3rd, 2011, 11:28 PM	#251
golden66 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 350 Likes (Received): 0	That's right it won't happen but I wish to God it would.

August 4th, 2011, 11:13 AM	#253
golden66 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 350 Likes (Received): 0	aj1997. The more you comment the stupider you sound. It sounds like you now have a problem with rejuvenating London Road. The point of moving a smaller SJP to London Road is to complement the TJ's offer and vice versa. If the TJ store had closed (which it nearly did)the area would have died and local businesses would have suffered and the area as a whole would have deteriorated. SJP and TJ's attract the same shopper(at the moment if you go to one you are denied access to the other) and would benefit from being located next to each other and that would benefit local businesses. It seems you are happy to see London Road deteriorate by forcing its type of clientele to shop at the current SJP. Also locating similar shopping offers in the same area is far more convenient and cheaper for that type of shopper. I suppose you are not bothered about that neither. The current SJP is a shopping ghetto because it doesn't complement or support the surrounding shopping offer,not to mention all its other negatives. It is self contained it doesn't integrate. It's true that a city centre is for everyone and just because you shop on London Road doesn't exclude you from the wider city centre offer , eg, museums,galleries,libraries, concerts or grand European squares etc. The points being made are specifically about reorganising our shopping offer and not about access to the facilities of the wider city centre.

August 4th, 2011, 11:32 AM	#254
tomo90 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Liverpool Posts: 2,120 Likes (Received): 44	I dont think TJ Hughes is a big pull to London Road anymore.

January 9th, 2012, 08:51 PM	#258
gottago Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Wirral/London Posts: 631 Likes (Received): 1	Polishing a turd with the most vile polish known to man. That second image actually looks like it was produced in Word. Nice to know they care.

January 9th, 2012, 09:27 PM	#259
tomo90 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Liverpool Posts: 2,120 Likes (Received): 44	Boycott the shithole and maybe they will start listening.

January 10th, 2012, 01:27 AM	#260
aek-94 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,250 Likes (Received): 0	Plastering posters across the side of it makes it look worse. To be honest, the whole thing just needs demolishing, it looks awful both inside and out.