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Old November 5th, 2011, 05:28 PM   #2021
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This in not very uncommon on other systems?

I saw some fare dodgers when I was in Shanghai, more than in other cities besides Paris.
I would guess that a low risk of being caught and the low fine is not helping.
This basically. They need to increase the fine so people will be scared to do it.
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Old November 5th, 2011, 05:50 PM   #2022
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Interestingly in some cities (e.g. most German cities that I have been to) have no ticket barriers in the stations at all and anyone with or without the ticket can enter a U-Bahn or S-Bahn train without obstacles. I don't know how common ticket controls are inside these trains in Germany but I have neever seen any (then again, I only made perhaps less than 50 journeys in total).

The problem with additional controls is that it costs money and may be north worth it in financial terms. What matters is the conideration and culture of the society. People simply need to understand that this is not acceptable and that there is absolutely nothing to be proud of if you dodge a fare. If you can't afford it or just feel it's too expensive - ride a bicycle. That's what I do and feel very happy about it. It also helps to stay helathy and keep your body weight under control.
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Old November 6th, 2011, 12:58 AM   #2023
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OFFtopic. Tecket checking in Germany is varying region by region. E.g. in Berlin you may ride S-Bahn twice a day for several years without being catched while e.g. in Freiburg you'd be fined in the first week for sure.
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Old November 9th, 2011, 02:07 PM   #2024
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http://www.shanghaidaily.com/article...348&type=Metro

New Metro link

2011-11-2

A Metro-like system is expected to connect several large residential communities in Shanghai's suburban Minhang District. The new system will link to the southern end of Metro Line 8 at the Aerospace Museum Station, urban planners said. It will use rubber rather than iron wheels to cut noise disturbance for residents.
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Old November 9th, 2011, 08:38 PM   #2025
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OFFtopic. Tecket checking in Germany is varying region by region. E.g. in Berlin you may ride S-Bahn twice a day for several years without being catched while e.g. in Freiburg you'd be fined in the first week for sure.
Ummm... are you sure? Last summer I went to Berlin for one week and I was cheked two times.
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Old November 10th, 2011, 08:01 AM   #2026
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New Metro link

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A Metro-like system is expected to connect several large residential communities in Shanghai's suburban Minhang District. The new system will link to the southern end of Metro Line 8 at the Aerospace Museum Station, urban planners said. It will use rubber rather than iron wheels to cut noise disturbance for residents.
So this is pretty much a sub-system for Minhang? That's pretty epic, any sources for planned routes, rolling stock, construction time-line, etc.? I'm surprised there's not more hype about something as big as this, just a couple of liners in a Shanghai daily article? I would've expected this to be front-page material
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Old November 11th, 2011, 11:25 PM   #2027
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So this is pretty much a sub-system for Minhang? That's pretty epic, any sources for planned routes, rolling stock, construction time-line, etc.? I'm surprised there's not more hype about something as big as this, just a couple of liners in a Shanghai daily article? I would've expected this to be front-page material
Yep and now shanghai has a suburban system ;D
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Old November 12th, 2011, 02:28 AM   #2028
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Yep and now shanghai has a suburban system ;D
...no it doesn't... not yet at least
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Old November 13th, 2011, 04:51 PM   #2029
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...no it doesn't... not yet at least
err well yeah. of course but it's building one...
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Old November 16th, 2011, 02:38 PM   #2030
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Any info on this suburban system? Is there a separate thread for that?

I like to see Chinese cities develop rapid transit systems similar to Tokyo with a solid suburban rail system able to get people in and out of cities quickly and also able to get people from one side of the city to the other quickly. It seems like the majority of construction is urban rail. I'd hate to see Chinese cities develop like Seoul, which has a great urban heavy rail system but no rapid suburban system and few rapid/express trains. So going from one side of the city to the other, or one suburb to another takes forever because you have to make frequent local stops on heavy rail lines.
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Old November 16th, 2011, 03:45 PM   #2031
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It's not a "suburban system." It looks like just a local system to link to the last station of the metro, kind of like those metromovers in Singapore that link to Punggol and Sengkang station. It doesn't go downtown.

The only info we have in English is this newspaper article. Nothing else is available online.
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Old November 17th, 2011, 08:44 AM   #2032
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Any info on this suburban system? Is there a separate thread for that?

I like to see Chinese cities develop rapid transit systems similar to Tokyo with a solid suburban rail system able to get people in and out of cities quickly and also able to get people from one side of the city to the other quickly.
Or better yet, like NYC with three different suburban rail systems, one for upstate Jiangsu, one for northeastern Zhejiang suburbs and one for Pudong.

A Chongming railroad similar to LIRR would be awesome too.

Yeah the worst would be for it to turn out like Singapore or Seoul where you have this oversized metro system serving as both suburban rail and rapid transit which makes it difficult to commute distances >20 miles.
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Old November 18th, 2011, 02:31 PM   #2033
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Old November 18th, 2011, 06:19 PM   #2034
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Old November 19th, 2011, 12:14 AM   #2035
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Here is another one, I wonder if this is accurate and correct though.

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Old November 19th, 2011, 12:47 AM   #2036
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The above map is quite old - it still shows Line 20 as Qingpu Line; old plans for Lines 2 and 13, as well as an absence of extensions of Line 5.
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Old November 19th, 2011, 01:16 AM   #2037
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Are there still plans to build maglev line to Hongqiao hub?

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Old November 19th, 2011, 10:42 AM   #2038
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Here is another one, I wonder if this is accurate and correct though.
Mori's pic is the latest version.
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Old November 19th, 2011, 01:15 PM   #2039
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Are there still plans to build maglev line to Hongiao hub?
Heaven knows, it's a bit of a taboo subject to be honest. I'm not even sure if the route is being safeguarded.
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Old November 19th, 2011, 05:49 PM   #2040
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Yeah the worst would be for it to turn out like Singapore or Seoul where you have this oversized metro system serving as both suburban rail and rapid transit which makes it difficult to commute distances >20 miles.
Judging by all these maps, it looks like this is where many Chinese cities, including Shangahai are heading...

How many lines have express services? If you live in the outer suburbs and work in the city center, it'd make sense if there are express trains available. Otherwise one would have to make 20+ stops one way, making commutes from the outer suburbs long...eventually we may see a scenario where living near a high speed rail station like Nanjing is a faster commute into Shanghai then for people living in a Shanghai suburb.
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