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Old December 2nd, 2012, 04:57 AM   #2421
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line 1 and the western section of line 2 use 8 car "A size trains" which are wide 3m and ~22.5 meters long.
If my memory is correct, line 2 uses 4 car trains east of Gunaglan Road?
But I think I've also seen 6 and 8 car formations on the rest of the line(?). Do they use 6 car in low peak and 8 car in high peak?
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Old December 2nd, 2012, 06:16 AM   #2422
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Trains on line 1, 2, 3, 4, 7, 9, 10 and 11 are allegedly 3m wide. But I highly doubt that because they feel much narrower than other trains that are actually 3m wide like the letter trains in the NYC subway. An R32 feels much wider than any Alstom train on the Shanghai metro.

R32:
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f1...t/DSCN0029.jpg

Metro line 10:
http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/p...m/60186811.jpg
it depends on perspective this pic looks much more "3m" wide than the others.

http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sh...ain_8_Cars.jpg

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If my memory is correct, line 2 uses 4 car trains east of Gunaglan Road?
But I think I've also seen 6 and 8 car formations on the rest of the line(?). Do they use 6 car in low peak and 8 car in high peak?
They used 6 car trains in 1999 when the line opened, however around 2008 they started phasing in 8 car trains. by 2010ish the entire fleet in the western section was converted to 8 cars. When the Pudong extension opened they immediately started using 4 car sets for that section.

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Old December 2nd, 2012, 09:41 PM   #2423
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line 1 and the western section of line 2 use 8 car "A size trains" which are wide 3m and ~22.5 meters long.
lines 3, 4, 7, 9, 10 and 11 use 6 car "A size trains".
Line 5, 6 and 8 use "C size" trains which have the stupidly small dimensions of 2.6m wide and ~19.5 meters long. Line 6 and 5 are in 4 car formations while line 8 is in 7 or 6 car formations.
Thanks. I'm more interested actually in the car's length. Line 7 and 9 have Bombardier Movia rolling stock which is way different from Alstom Metropolis on line 1, 2 and 10. And what about Siemens trains on line 1 and 2, I'd like to have more or less exact figures.
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Old December 3rd, 2012, 02:30 AM   #2424
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Thanks. I'm more interested actually in the car's length. Line 7 and 9 have Bombardier Movia rolling stock which is way different from Alstom Metropolis on line 1, 2 and 10. And what about Siemens trains on line 1 and 2, I'd like to have more or less exact figures.
There are 3 sizes of rolling stock in china A, B, and C. Even though all the lines you mentioned use different trains they all the same, size wise. For the A size train's length I got conflicting measurements in the range of 22-23m.
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Are there anywhere more exact data on that? Very curious to see that.

I still guess all they are not the same. If we look at Alstom Metropolis on line 1, you'll see its driver cab stands largely out. So, the first and the last cars have to be almost 1 meter longer. While in Movia trains it's not the case.

What do you mean by A, B or C sizes? The width? Are trains on line 3 narrower than those on 1, 2 or 9? I don't think so.
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Old December 5th, 2012, 01:43 AM   #2426
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Are there anywhere more exact data on that? Very curious to see that.

I still guess all they are not the same. If we look at Alstom Metropolis on line 1, you'll see its driver cab stands largely out. So, the first and the last cars have to be almost 1 meter longer. While in Movia trains it's not the case.

What do you mean by A, B or C sizes? The width? Are trains on line 3 narrower than those on 1, 2 or 9? I don't think so.
Yes they corresponds to vehicle width, A = 3m, B = 2.8m, C = 2.6m.

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Old December 5th, 2012, 02:35 AM   #2427
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Approaching Shanghai South Railway Station (Shanghai Nan Zhan):

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Enjoy!
Thanks for the pictures and videos. I was wondering what this metro line looked like from a passenger perspective.
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Old December 5th, 2012, 02:56 AM   #2428
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Yes they corresponds to vehicle width, A = 3m, B = 2.8m, C = 2.6m.

Thanks a lot for the table but I still can't find the length of each car. And some points about the table are not clear.
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Old December 5th, 2012, 03:08 AM   #2429
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Are there anywhere more exact data on that? Very curious to see that.

I still guess all they are not the same. If we look at Alstom Metropolis on line 1, you'll see its driver cab stands largely out. So, the first and the last cars have to be almost 1 meter longer. While in Movia trains it's not the case.

What do you mean by A, B or C sizes? The width? Are trains on line 3 narrower than those on 1, 2 or 9? I don't think so.
Cab cars are slightly longer the sizes I told you are for the intermediate cars. The cab car is usually just a body shell of an intermediate car with a cab slapped on one end so they are longer by a bit. In China the width of subway rolling stock is clear cut with only 3 sizes (see hmmwv's post). Length can be a bit challenging to classify because there are exceptions do to imported tech (Guangzhou's linear-motor cars are B sized in width but shorter ~17m/car same for Chongqing's mono-metro trains) but in Shanghai's case all A trains are 3x~23m and C trains are 2.6X~19 with cab cars slightly longer and yes the cab car lengths do vary by model though not by much.
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Yes the length is not strictly regulated, Shanghai Metro A cars are 22.8m in length and B, C cars are 19m long.
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Any news of line 13?
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Old December 6th, 2012, 07:55 AM   #2432
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from metrofans, line 13 has completed the tunnel work/tracklaying, it's under test run without passengers.

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Yes the length is not strictly regulated, Shanghai Metro A cars are 22.8m in length and B, C cars are 19m long.
Are you sure that so called B-size cars are 19 m long? If they say lines 3 and 4 use B-size cars, then it should be a mistake. Trains on these lines have got 5 doors on each side, just like trains on lines 1, 2, 10, which are called A-size trains.
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Are you sure that so called B-size cars are 19 m long? If they say lines 3 and 4 use B-size cars, then it should be a mistake. Trains on these lines have got 5 doors on each side, just like trains on lines 1, 2, 10, which are called A-size trains.
Line 3 and 4 have always used A trains.
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Are you sure that so called B-size cars are 19 m long? If they say lines 3 and 4 use B-size cars, then it should be a mistake. Trains on these lines have got 5 doors on each side, just like trains on lines 1, 2, 10, which are called A-size trains.
All metro trains in shanghai are A size only lines 5,6, and 8 use a different size (C size), to date there is not a single B size train in shanghai.
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Then what is shown in the table above?
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Then what is shown in the table above?
its the national specs for all (3) subway train dimensions.

The most popular and oldest is B size trains. Most popular because its found in most Tier II and lower cities. Wuhan, Shenyang, Dailian, Suzhou, Hangzhou, Tianjing, Foshan, Kunming, Chongqing, Chengdu and Xian use it on all their conventional metro lines. Oldest because the Beijing subway uses it for all lines ATM. A size is usually used in Tier I cities; Shanghai, Shenzhen, Guangzhou, and Nanjing have them on most lines. Though, some new lines in Beijing and Chongqing will use A size trains. C size is only used in Shanghai, not popular ATM because of relatively low capacity for Chinese cities better to be used as a feeder.
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It's the most moronic move by Shanghai Metro to build Line 8 to C train specs.
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