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Old March 5th, 2013, 02:31 PM   #2581
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Shanghai Metro Line 22 has just 6 intermediate stops in 55 km - almost 8000 m stop distance. While they boast 32 minute express train time, it is not all that useful for destinations somewhere in between the 12 km stretch between Jinshanyuan and Jinshanwei. And the 60 minute time for 55 km is slow for a commuter train.

How about Metro Line 16? 13 stations over 59,5 km means almost 5000 m station distances... when shall it open and what shall the trip time be inclusive of stops?

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Old March 6th, 2013, 10:56 AM   #2582
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That the 6340 square km of Shanghai includes extensive rural/suburban areas where distances are too big and population too sparse to justify metro or tram. And that diesel trains (or short electric trainsets) are needed to serve these areas.
Diesel trains are not a solution at all. Diesel engines are much less efficient, being mo more that 50% effective. Then, there are environamental issues. All trains must be ablsoultely electricity powered.

Shanghai has enough money to invest into good infratructure. And don't forget that the city is developing at a frantic pace. Rural areas are being transformed in dense urban ones.
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Old March 6th, 2013, 12:02 PM   #2583
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Diesel trains are not a solution at all. Diesel engines are much less efficient, being mo more that 50% effective. Then, there are environamental issues. All trains must be ablsoultely electricity powered.
Yes, but the trains have the advantage of lower rolling friction of steel on steel. Buses are also diesel powered, and even less efficient than diesel trains.

Trolleybuses are also more efficient than buses, again because they are electricity powered. Building a new tram line involves ripping up a road for a long time to lay the sleepers and rails. When a new trolleybus line is built, erecting the poles and hanging the overhead wires can be done quickly and without interrupting the traffic on the street underneath.

Agreed that when new train lines are built, it is better to electrify them right away. Even a single track electrified line is useful - I have one nearby that handles 27 train pairs on a weekday (plus empty and freight trains). It is useful to keep a provision for future doubletracking, though.
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Old March 6th, 2013, 03:05 PM   #2584
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New studies have shown diesel to very harmful in regards to air quality. I don't think China wants that. Enough people have died from it in the west. Natural Gas is the bridge fuel for now untill renewables start getting competitive.

I agree that the distances of some of the Shanghai lines are a bit far apart, but it wouldn't surprice me if we start seeing light rail lines gathering passenger in the suburbs of Shanghai in the future. Something like what you have in Singapore on the North East line there in Punggol and Sengkang.
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Old March 6th, 2013, 08:32 PM   #2585
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New studies have shown diesel to very harmful in regards to air quality. I don't think China wants that. Enough people have died from it in the west. Natural Gas is the bridge fuel for now untill renewables start getting competitive.

I agree that the distances of some of the Shanghai lines are a bit far apart, but it wouldn't surprice me if we start seeing light rail lines gathering passenger in the suburbs of Shanghai in the future. Something like what you have in Singapore on the North East line there in Punggol and Sengkang.
How about something like Northwest of Hong Kong?
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Old March 10th, 2013, 10:10 AM   #2586
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Surprising. The power of shopping women

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Shangai subway ridership set new record on 3.8

Total ridership on 3/8 is 8.486 million, a new record for Shanghai metro.

Line 1: 1.37m
Line 2: 1.65 (record)
Line 3: 0.64 (record)
Line 4: 0.89 (record)
Line 5: 0.16 (record)
Line 6: 0.35 (record)
Line 7: 0.72 (record)
Line 8: 0.87 (record)
Line 9: 0.78 (record)
Line 10: 0.68 (record)
Line 11: 0.31
Line 13: 0.051 (record)

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Is it because Womens day?
So women going around with roses is because Womens day?
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Old March 10th, 2013, 12:14 PM   #2588
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that's true. most organizations give female employees half-day off and shopping malls have discounts on that day...
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Old March 10th, 2013, 08:49 PM   #2589
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What else can women do? Shopping is the only pasttime they are devoted to
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No kidding. The countries that celebrate International Women's Day are typically the ones where women have the least rights (except perhaps the right to shopping, which is universal).
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No kidding. The countries that celebrate International Women's Day are typically the ones where women have the least rights (except perhaps the right to shopping, which is universal).
Interestingly according to the data more than 51% of those in senior management positions in China are women and women contribute around 50% of all household incomes in China. Those numbers far exceed the numbers even in countries typically regarded as most 'equal' in terms of women's position (such as the Scandinavian countries... where International Women's day is incidentally also widely celebrated ). Therefore your statement is not exactly correct.
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Old March 11th, 2013, 06:55 AM   #2592
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Shanghai's first BRT to start construction in 2013

Length: 33.5 km, 17 stations,

It starts from Nanqiao Station and ends at Oriental Sports Center, crossing Fengxian, Minhang and Pudong districts.



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Old March 11th, 2013, 10:08 AM   #2593
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that's true. most organizations give female employees half-day off and shopping malls have discounts on that day...
Looks like People´s Republic of China is not adequately paying attention to women. In Soviet Union, 8th March used to be a public holiday, full day off for both sexes.
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Old March 11th, 2013, 10:11 AM   #2594
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Looks like People´s Republic of China is not adequately paying attention to women.
And discriminate against all men in this country ...
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Old March 13th, 2013, 01:50 PM   #2595
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No kidding. The countries that celebrate International Women's Day are typically the ones where women have the least rights (except perhaps the right to shopping, which is universal).
The point is how this day is celebrated! I wouldn't call celebrations various manifestations of women claiming their rights...

A truly celebration is when I see on a subway train each girl / woman / lady with a bunch of nice flowers, a pack of chocolate and a solemn supper in the evening.

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Looks like People´s Republic of China is not adequately paying attention to women. In Soviet Union, 8th March used to be a public holiday, full day off for both sexes.
It actually is.


Back on topic - what are the plans for new metro lines for 2013? How many stations / kms?
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Old March 14th, 2013, 01:47 AM   #2596
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The point is how this day is celebrated! I wouldn't call celebrations various manifestations of women claiming their rights...

A truly celebration is when I see on a subway train each girl / woman / lady with a bunch of nice flowers, a pack of chocolate and a solemn supper in the evening.
As if Shanghai women were not spoiled enough.

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Old March 14th, 2013, 05:18 AM   #2597
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As if Shanghai women were not spoiled enough.
Agree Shanghai women are the most spoiled species on the planet.

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Back on topic - what are the plans for new metro lines for 2013? How many stations / kms?
Opening in 2013:

Line 11 phase II + Huaqiao section (16 stations)
Line 12 phase I (17 stations)
Line 16 phase I (11 stations)

New kms in 2013: 99km (total 538km)
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Old March 14th, 2013, 07:24 PM   #2598
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Which dates?
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Old March 15th, 2013, 05:58 AM   #2599
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Line 11 phase II + Huaqiao section: June 30
Line 12 phase I : December 31
Line 16 phase I (11 stations): September 30

Those are estimation only and subject to change.
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I was just having a look around the Chinese forums (I'm bored...) and saw this map of the Shanghai Subway from 2009. It's incredible how far it has come in just a few years. Congratulations Shanghai!

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