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Old August 14th, 2013, 06:35 AM   #2781
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Shanghai metro Wiki provides future expansion information. Metrofans has more detailed info but it's in Chinese only.
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Old August 15th, 2013, 11:25 AM   #2782
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Wow line 13 will miss a connection with line 1 and line 4. Why do they do this!!!! Shanghai has more missed connections of any metro system. Do it right the first time, spend the money now or don't spend it at all. Metro systems aren't something you can just go back and fix.
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Old August 15th, 2013, 11:37 AM   #2783
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I don't think that's a big issue. Actually Line 13 connect with both Line 4 and Line 1 at Jinshajiang Road and Hanzhong Road from the upper section of the map.

You must mean the second connection for the lower part? I noticed Line 13 run through the middle of Line 1 and Line 4 stations at Huaihai Rd (M) and and Lupu Bridge. It's good to build a walk-thru connection but it's not a must-have-now feature.
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Old August 18th, 2013, 03:07 AM   #2784
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Why did they go for 3rd rail in this case?
The line is almost entirely elevated and they want to make it less intrusive.
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Old August 20th, 2013, 07:49 AM   #2785
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Grrr I thought the Line 11 extension was opening today.
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Old August 20th, 2013, 08:15 AM   #2786
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may still need a couple of days. Expert review and evaluation will happen on Aug 22nd. The opening date can only be determined after that.
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Old August 20th, 2013, 10:19 AM   #2787
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Still, I don't see how line 15 will run. Will it cross the city center or not?

Glad to see Lujizaui will get one more line. I've been always wondering why such dense and passenger flow-creating district was given just one station.

Hope all new lines will accommodate A-type trains with a perspective to accommodate 8-car trains.

Interesting to know anything about the rolling stock on new lines.
Finally here's a map with all planned lines by Mr.Xu, including line 15

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Old August 20th, 2013, 11:43 AM   #2788
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That's a final map, isn't it? No more lines will be constructed after it?
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Old August 20th, 2013, 05:15 PM   #2789
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Super pretty dense . Are all those non existent lines under construction?
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Old August 21st, 2013, 12:11 AM   #2790
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That's a final map, isn't it? No more lines will be constructed after it?
For now probably
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Old August 21st, 2013, 05:32 AM   #2791
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Super pretty dense . Are all those non existent lines under construction?
Not all of them. Line 12/14/16/17 are under construction. Line 15/18 are in project bidding process per metrofans.
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Old August 21st, 2013, 08:30 AM   #2792
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I like how lines 15, 20 and 21 are projected: Shanghai will get a dense and convenient line grid offering a wide variety of trips as these lines are sort of ring lines that cross many radial ones. However I do not understand why nothing crosses line 8 in the South. And again Pudong area will not get so much metro development.

Anyway, Shanghai metro system seems to me now one of the best in the world. Beijing is much worse in terms of density and possibility to travel in different ways.

I'd like much to see something similar here in Moscow...
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Old August 21st, 2013, 04:26 PM   #2793
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Finally here's a map with all planned lines by Mr.Xu, including line 15

Maybe some minor suggestions to increase efficiency.

1. Connect line 8 and line 10 at the line 8 east terminus side. it is just one station away.

2. extend line 20 eastward to line 19. There is no horizontal line in the far east.

3. Connect line 10 branch line to line 20. its just one station away

4. extend line 19 to intersect line 14 and line 2

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Old August 21st, 2013, 09:33 PM   #2794
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And why is Line 5 separate from Line 1? Wouldn't it have been better for line 1 to just be extended instead of a separate Line being built?
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Old August 21st, 2013, 11:33 PM   #2795
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And why is Line 5 separate from Line 1? Wouldn't it have been better for line 1 to just be extended instead of a separate Line being built?
Line 5 uses different equipment and shorter trains compared to Line 1. Line 1 runs through the city and has higher frequency; line 5 runs through the suburbs and has higher intervals between trains.

The idea of having a Red Line in the city joined to a Purple Line in the suburbs has proven very successful in the Chicago Transit Authority "el" system. I assume that's where Shanghai got the idea.
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Old August 22nd, 2013, 12:17 AM   #2796
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I always thought line 14 should run all the way to line 11 at Shanghai Automobile City instead of stopping in Fengbang only.

Anyways, in addition to that map (Which has the line 19 extensions to Hengsha and Chongming islands missing), Chinese Wikipedia lists the following extensions:
Line 1 North from Fujin Road to Chongming island. This was in the old plan AFAIK.
Line 2 West from East Xujing to Daying. It would intersect proposed line 10 at East Yinggang Road, line 17 at Zhaoxiang and end at proposed line 13.
Line 7 North from Meilan Lake to Luojing.
Line 8 North from Shiguan Road to Sunjiazhai.
Line 9 Southwest from Songjiang South Station to Fengjing. It would cross again the Huhang HSL at Jinshan North Station.
Line 10 Northwest from Hangzhong Road to Huaxin West. It would intersect line 20 at Xingzhan Road, proposed line 2 at East Yinggang Road, line 17 at Panlong Road and end at proposed line 13.
Line 11 East from Shanghai Disneyland to Pudong Int'l Airport. This would end at line 2.
Line 12 West from Qixin Road to Zhujiajiao. It would intersect Line 9 at Sheshan and end at line 17.
Line 13 both East from Zhangjiang Road to Chuansha Road, ending at line 2; and West from Jinyun Road to Jinxi in Jiangsu, intersecting proposed line 10 and Huaxin West, proposed line 2 at Daying and some Kunshan and Suzhou subway lines.
Line 14 both East from Chuanqiao Road (Marked as Luxing in the map) to Heqing and West from Fengbang to Waigang, intersecting line 11 somewhere between Shanghai Circuit and East Changji Road.
Line 15 South from Zizhu Science-based Industrial Park to Jinshan. It would intersect line 5 at Longtan and end at Jinshan railway.
Line 17 West from Oriental Land to Jinze.

Of course, nothing is official. But if this comes to reality, some lines would be over 70 km long. Line 2, including the Disneyland branch that is also missing from the map, would be over 100 km long!
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Old August 22nd, 2013, 03:50 AM   #2797
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And why is Line 5 separate from Line 1? Wouldn't it have been better for line 1 to just be extended instead of a separate Line being built?
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Line 5 uses different equipment and shorter trains compared to Line 1. Line 1 runs through the city and has higher frequency; line 5 runs through the suburbs and has higher intervals between trains.


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The idea of having a Red Line in the city joined to a Purple Line in the suburbs has proven very successful in the Chicago Transit Authority "el" system. I assume that's where Shanghai got the idea.
Nope, its political meddling, line 5 uses C size trains because the Local government wanted to artificially induce demand for stupid ass C size trains. So they give Shanghai the 3 wise gifts, Line 5, 6, and 8. All of them where screw ups, with line 6 and 8 over capacity and line 5 forcing an extra transfer. The local government got in deep trouble for disregarding the masterplan for extending R1 (line 1) into Minhang. That's why today Line 5 is stupidly called R1a internally.
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Old August 22nd, 2013, 09:34 AM   #2798
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Still it is not cost-effective to run 8-car A-size trains to Minhang.

I guess for line 5 those C-size trains are ok, but for line 8 it's a nonsense.
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Old August 22nd, 2013, 10:17 PM   #2799
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They could also run half of the 8 car trains to full distance (line 1 + line 5) and other half in just original line 1. That ways there won't be any over capacity on line 5.
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good thinking but for suburban lines it's better off having more frequent smaller trains (C-size) than less frequent larger trains (A-size) so in rush hour people don't have to wait for too long.
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