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Old August 30th, 2013, 11:20 AM   #2821
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So is line 11 open? I will be moving out of Xujiahui in a month, so I guess it won't be useful to me after that.
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Old August 30th, 2013, 11:49 AM   #2822
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It'll open tomorrow. Where are you moving to? I live between Xujiahui and Swimming Center station so I may take a ride next week.
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Old September 2nd, 2013, 02:56 AM   #2823
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I rode line 11 yesterday, including the southern phase 2 part that goes through Xujiahui. Hah, it seems everyone still gets off and on at Jiangsu Lu - heading south after passing that station it was very easy to find a seat. In fact, as soon as we passed Jiangsu Lu, a rural guy asked someone nearby in Chinese when to get off for Jiangsu Lu, and he had to get off at Jiaotong University and go back one stop. Too many people are still expecting Jiangsu Lu to be the last stop going south!
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Old September 2nd, 2013, 03:53 AM   #2824
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This is because when these lines open there is little fanfare, just maybe a blip in the local news. If you are not interested in this kind of stuff you would be slow to learn. It usually takes a few months for the local populace to get up to speed.
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Old September 2nd, 2013, 04:48 AM   #2825
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And when north extension and Disneyland extension open Line 11 will be one of the busiest lines on par with Line 1 and Line 2. Xujiahui will be the busiest interchange hub similar to People Square.
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Old September 2nd, 2013, 06:07 AM   #2826
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I really hope that those older stations get a design overhaul at some time. The newer stations look fantastic.
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Old September 2nd, 2013, 07:44 PM   #2827
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Older stations are almost 100% fresher, cleaner and friendlier than any station in the world.
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Old September 2nd, 2013, 07:47 PM   #2828
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This is because when these lines open there is little fanfare, just maybe a blip in the local news. If you are not interested in this kind of stuff you would be slow to learn. It usually takes a few months for the local populace to get up to speed.
That is because shanghai builds so many stations every year. In Moscow down here we've got 3-4 stations a year and it is considered to be much! Almost every opening has got a special ceremony...

For many years after URSS ceased to exist, there were periods with no openings at all. Later 1 station per year was a joy. So now 3-4 is a huge number. Bit we are still far behind Shanghai.
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Old September 3rd, 2013, 06:49 AM   #2829
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And besides the Chinese leadership seems serious on cutting wastages. Including opening fanfares. And the officials would probably get bored cutting ribbons or giving same speech on each new stations times 20.
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Old September 3rd, 2013, 08:23 AM   #2830
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Line 11 Swimming Center Station (opened Aug 31)



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Old September 3rd, 2013, 10:49 AM   #2831
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By the way English Wikipedia says total length is now 462 km, not 466. Where is the truth?

I am getting really sure the new rolling stock is different from those Siemens trains. At least it feels that way on the pics.
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Old September 8th, 2013, 02:13 PM   #2832
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saw from another source that Shanghai metro length is 462km. It seems 462 km (without Maglev) is the correct number.
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Line 11 Longhua Station (opened Aug 31th)



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That is because shanghai builds so many stations every year. In Moscow down here we've got 3-4 stations a year and it is considered to be much! Almost every opening has got a special ceremony...

For many years after URSS ceased to exist, there were periods with no openings at all. Later 1 station per year was a joy. So now 3-4 is a huge number. Bit we are still far behind Shanghai.
Moscow metro is a mature system while Shanghai metro is still growing. I guess after 10 years Shanghai will resume the celebration for every openings.
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Old September 8th, 2013, 06:36 PM   #2835
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Moscow metro is a mature system while Shanghai metro is still growing. I guess after 10 years Shanghai will resume the celebration for every openings.
I think in 10 years Shanghai will realize that 900km of metro is not enough.
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I think in 10 years Shanghai will realize that 900km of metro is not enough.
More metro would not be the answer though. I think by then, Shanghai would need a comprehensive suburban rail system complete with express and local service. Its not practical for commuters to take a local only line from outskirts into the city.
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Old September 9th, 2013, 12:09 AM   #2837
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More metro would not be the answer though. I think by then, Shanghai would need a comprehensive suburban rail system complete with express and local service. Its not practical for commuters to take a local only line from outskirts into the city.
Ya but most of them they would be intercity railways built to metro standards like lines 16, 17 or those S series lines half the metro systems in china are proposing.
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Ya but most of them they would be intercity railways built to metro standards like lines 16, 17 or those S series lines half the metro systems in china are proposing.
What are those S series lines?

In either case China (bigger cities at least) clearly need high capacity commuter railways. A perfect example of such systems could be S-Bahn in major German cities where such commuter railways are functioning alongside the regular metro (U-Bahn) but have fewer stops, usually run faster (albeit at lower frequencies) and reach further into the outskirts. This is despite the fact that we're talking of fairly small cities/metropolitan zones in comparison with gigantic cities like Shanghai or Beijing in China. Metro systems as they are today even if doubled or tripled in size are not enough.
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Moscow metro is a mature system while Shanghai metro is still growing. I guess after 10 years Shanghai will resume the celebration for every openings.
However, our new mayor has urged to build more metro lines, so by 2020 we will get (I hope) more than 70 new stations. It is said that the construction pace is only slower than that of Shanghai and Beijing.

Longhua station is just awesome. I especially like the columns.
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More metro would not be the answer though. I think by then, Shanghai would need a comprehensive suburban rail system complete with express and local service. Its not practical for commuters to take a local only line from outskirts into the city.
It is the same old story from you. I've told many times that shanghai metro by its standard is a typical suburban rail system: frequencies, train dimensions, distances between station. It is not a metro in Western sense of the world, it is much bigger in all senses.
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